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October Wrasslin |OT| Are you a Kane guy? Hell NO! I'm the tag team champions!

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Kaladin

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Posted on ROHWrestling.com:

Last night ROH presented “Killer Instinct” in Rahway, New Jersey and the end of the main event saw a chaotic scene that left many questions unanswered.

What we do know at the moment is that things completely broke down when Steen spit on Jay Lethal’s mother who was sitting front row.

As a result of this, Jay Lethal snapped on Steen in a rage like we have never seen before and chaos ensued with security and referees suffering injuries while trying to regulate the incident.

Kevin Steen immediately left the building claiming that he will not return.

While Lethal was looking for Steen backstage he continued to assault officials and apparently attacked ROH Executive Producer Jim Cornette.

Cornette was sent to the local hospital suffering a severe back injury and his diagnosis is unknown at this time.

ROH COO Joe Koff has contacted both Jay Lethal and Kevin Steen regarding the incident and there is expected to be major fallout from the events that took place last night.

The status of both Lethal and Steen is currently up in the air and we will have more news regarding this incident tomorrow at ROHWrestling.com.
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Could be an interesting angle, they also had Davey Richards cut an anti-Sinclair Broadcasting promo on this show.
 
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bean breath

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djsandman said:
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WWE needs to copy this storyline.

They could do CM Punk spitting on John Cena's dad.

Or if the want to stick closer to the source material, they can have Punk spit on Kofi Kingston's mom for that 'white man spitting on black woman' racial tension.

Doesn't even have to be Punk, Cena or Sheamus can spit on Kofi's mom and it'd still work.
 
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British Monsoon

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bean breath said:
So that's Tensai, Sakamoto, and Yoshi Tatsu. More than enough to satisfy fans of puroresu.
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Tensai is a jobber with a dumb gimmick, Sakamoto doesn't even wrestle (despite being a good wrestler in his own right and having better looking strikes than the majority of the roster) while Tatsu was a middling Young Lion when he left New Japan and hasn't improved all that much since (or, if he has, he's never given a chance to show it).

And besides, it's not Japanese wrestlers alone that would satisfy fans of puroresu, but rather a greater focus on wrestling and changes to the 'WWE style'. Which is why; WCW > WWE/F :p
 
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SoulPlaya

more money than God
bean breath said:
WWE needs to copy this storyline.

They could do CM Punk spitting on John Cena's dad.

Or if the want to stick closer to the source material, they can have Punk spit on Kofi Kingston's mom for that 'white man spitting on black woman' racial tension.

Doesn't even have to be Punk, Cena or Sheamus can spit on Kofi's mom and it'd still work.
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There's been too many "spitting" storylines in WWE history.
 
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bean breath

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SoulPlaya said:
There's been too many "spitting" storylines in WWE history.
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strobogo

Banned
I wonder if wrestling will ever be able to get back to not having GMs/COO/general authority figures. That's probably the worst thing from the Attitude Era. As great as Mr. McMahon was, that's the reason why we have to have GMs on every wrestling show with television (and sometimes indie promotions that don't have TV, IPPV, or even DVDs).
 
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bean breath

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DMczaf said:
What if AJ spits on Kaitlyn?
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What if Primo smacks AJ's ass?
strobogo said:
I wonder if wrestling will ever be able to get back to not having GMs/COO/general authority figures. That's probably the worst thing from the Attitude Era. As great as Mr. McMahon was, that's the reason why we have to have GMs on every wrestling show with television (and sometimes indie promotions that don't have TV, IPPV, or even DVDs).
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I'd like to discuss this topic but I'm not very knowledgable on the subject so I'll just say that Pat Patterson and Gerald Brisco were awesome.
 
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British Monsoon

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strobogo said:
I wonder if wrestling will ever be able to get back to not having GMs/COO/general authority figures. That's probably the worst thing from the Attitude Era. As great as Mr. McMahon was, that's the reason why we have to have GMs on every wrestling show with television (and sometimes indie promotions that don't have TV, IPPV, or even DVDs).
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I agree that the success of the Mr. McMahon character is why promotions feel they need, or should have an authority figure, but they've mostly always been present to some degree, be it a commissioner figure like Sgt. Slaughter, an owner like Bill Watts, or just unnamed 'management' responding to the wrestler's actions by making matches, setting fines, suspensions, etc.

I'm just so sick of the same segments with GM characters being repeated over and over, most notably;

. Heel complains to GM about anything = gets put in unfavourable match-up.
. Heels and faces arguing in the ring = tag team match, playa!
 
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SoulPlaya

more money than God
strobogo said:
I wonder if wrestling will ever be able to get back to not having GMs/COO/general authority figures. That's probably the worst thing from the Attitude Era. As great as Mr. McMahon was, that's the reason why we have to have GMs on every wrestling show with television (and sometimes indie promotions that don't have TV, IPPV, or even DVDs).
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That's not an attitude era thing. No one seems to remember WWF President, Gorilla Monsoon. :(
 
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strobogo

Banned
I agree that the success of the Mr. McMahon character is why promotions feel they need, or should have an authority figure, but they've mostly always been present to some degree, be it a commissioner figure like Sgt. Slaughter, an owner like Bill Watts, or just unnamed 'management' responding to the wrestler's actions by making matches, setting fines, suspensions, etc.
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I'm talking about the model of the past ten years or so where the authority figure is on every show, usually multiple times a show, and is often the actual focus of the shows. How many times a year did you hear from Jack Tunney? 3-4 tops, and only for the biggest of big deals like vacating a title or some incredibly egregious activity from a heel.

That's not an attitude era thing. No one seems to remember WWF President, Gorilla Monsoon. :(
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I do. He wasn't on every show, though. He was only around when shit really started getting out of control.
 
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BlazinAm

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bean breath said:
WWE needs to copy this storyline.

They could do CM Punk spitting on John Cena's dad.

Or if the want to stick closer to the source material, they can have Punk spit on Kofi Kingston's mom for that 'white man spitting on black woman' racial tension.

Doesn't even have to be Punk, Cena or Sheamus can spit on Kofi's mom and it'd still work.
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I believe this happened with Randy Orton in 2009... I remember that they did an angle with Cena's father before.

strobogo said:
I wonder if wrestling will ever be able to get back to not having GMs/COO/general authority figures. That's probably the worst thing from the Attitude Era. As great as Mr. McMahon was, that's the reason why we have to have GMs on every wrestling show with television (and sometimes indie promotions that don't have TV, IPPV, or even DVDs).
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Promoters probably think that it adds a format to a show. Give a focal person who is the be all of wrestling in a way. Honestly the way wwe is doing it they are spending more time with the GM than the talent which makes it look worse.

somedevil said:
I wonder if the injury to Jim Cornette happened before or after his interview coming up today on the LAW.
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Will listen.... but what is with the hate of Cornette?
 
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Mr. Enigma

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Former WWF photographer Tom Buchanan drops an ether bomb on Linda McMahon's political aspirations. Buchanan was the WWF's Chief of Photography from 1987-2001.

(Caution: Extended POLITICAL POSTING about Connecticut…please do not read any further if politics, and the future direction of our nation offends you.)

It’s time for me to weigh-in on the Connecticut Senate Race in which Linda McMahon is challenging Representative Chris Murphy. If you are a Connecticut voter I hope you will hear me out, and if you find my comments interesting I hope you will share them with your friends and neighbors. I live in Vermont now, but for about 14 years I worked for Linda McMahon at WWF/WWE (1987-2001). She has done well as the CEO of a professional wrestling company, and Linda is nice enough in person, but based on my direct and personal experience I think she would be a terrible selection as a United States Senator. Please let me explain why.

First, we need serious people in the U.S. Senate who have legislative experience and an ability to work quietly to craft compromise legislation. Linda has no such experience. She has worked exclusively as a chief executive at her own company where she is accustomed to telling subordinates what to do, and always getting her way. Compromise is simply not part of Linda’s experience set, and she has made no effort to gain that needed skill and experience. She could have served as a state senator for a few years, or even served as an elected city or county level official, but she doesn’t seem to have an interest in the nitty-gritty skills required of a successful legislator.

Second, we need quiet Senators who have a demonstrated ability to work with others, and not seek personal glory. The United States Senate already has an abundance of famous rich people stoking their egos and unable to get along, or to even try to reach consensus. Linda McMahon is a self-styled celebrity executive worth hundreds of millions of dollars, and that is exactly what we don’t need any more of in Washington.

Third, Linda McMahon has twice sought to purchase the Senate seat by using her extraordinary wealth to buy name recognition and organizational support. In her 2010 campaign she spent a reported $50 million, and she’s spending lavishly again now. In every state there are outstanding legislators who have distinguished themselves over many years, but these experienced and successful legislators have been dissuaded from running for national office by the need to raise vast sums of money to compete with millionaire wannabes. Linda’s approach is troubling because she is using money in place of experience, but also because it intimidates good citizens with relevant experience, driving them away from politics and inflicting long term harm on the democratic process itself.

Forth, Linda McMahon has shown very little business success beyond the wrestling world, and in the wrestling world her success is as much a credit to the creative enterprise of her husband as it is to her own business dealings. Linda’s flagship company, WWF/WWE, has excelled in recent years, but most of her business interests beyond wrestling have failed miserably. WWF/WWE tried to move into professional football by launching the XFL, but even with the buy-in of NBC Television that effort fell flat. She tried to develop a franchise around professional bodybuilding with a company called World Body Building Federation (WBF), but after two years and many millions of dollars, the effort was shuttered as a failure. Part of the bodybuilding project was a TV show called Bodystars and a nutritional supplement called ICOPRO, but both of those side efforts quickly collapsed in an embarrassing pile of financial rubble. Linda also made an effort to break into the National Hot Rod Association (NHRA) with two cars and a professional support team, but that lasted just a couple of years before the company slammed head-first into a marketing and financial crash-and-burn. Linda tried to redevelop a hotel complex in Las Vegas as a WWF themed attraction, but there too the company was in over its head, and when the project bogged down Linda shrugged and silently walked away from the expensive fiasco. And Linda took a very hands on approach to creating a restaurant franchise with a splashy flagship in Times Square, but it was an abysmal failure wrought with poor management and embezzlement, and it imploded with a balance sheet dripping brilliant red ink. Linda has even tried to muscle the company into Hollywood movies, but hasn’t had much success in that venue beyond the occasional film driven by wrestling talent and promoted on the existing wrestling programs. In short, Linda McMahon has shown financial success with the core wrestling product, but just about every time she has stepped outside of the wrestling business she has failed miserably. That’s a bad record to bring to the management of the United States of America.

Fifth, WWE has faced near-bankruptcy on several occasions and only made it through the periods of collapse by blind luck, and with the hard work and sacrifice of its staff. It might be alright for an executive to risk the bankruptcy of a business, but we need Senators who won’t risk the bankruptcy of the nation. Linda has shown time and again that she is willing to risk it all, and too often that risk has ended in failure and ruin.

Sixth, when Linda ran for the Senate in 2010 she proudly boasted to her corporate shareholders of slashing the company workforce, while at the same time the company was swimming in profit and the McMahon family was extracting dividends worth tens of millions of dollars. Her long standing loyalty to wealthy shareholders above hard workers is deeply disturbing, and not the kind of leadership that will serve the interests of most Americans.

Seventh, when WWF/WWE shifted from private ownership to a public company valued at more than a billion dollars, Linda granted free stock to family friends, but provided her long time employees with worthless ‘offering price’ options that granted no value whatsoever for their years of hard work. It was those workers who struggled through one downturn after another, and who helped the company claw its way from near bankruptcy to a billion dollars in value, but Linda kept the profits for her own family and gave the workers no piece of the enormous value they had created. Linda has consistently enriched herself at the expense of the workers, and has consistently failed to pass along meaningful value to the line-workers who create that wealth. We need United States Senators who recognize the contributions of workers, and who understand the importance of rewarding work over wealth. Linda is demonstrably not that person.

I could keep going with paragraph after paragraph critiquing Linda McMahon’s lack of appropriate experience, lack of a relevant skill set, and lack of meaningful support for the workers who have made her very, very rich. But I won’t.

Look, Linda McMahon is a pleasant person and I enjoyed working with her, but her business experience is limited; she has failed at just about every enterprise outside of the wrestling industry; she has hoarded vast profits for her own family while shutting out her workers; she has slashed the company workforce even while rolling in profits; and, in spite of a lifetime of opportunity she has failed to gain any direct relevant government experience that will translate to success in the United States Senate.

When voters go to the polls in Connecticut they need to play the role of a Human Resources Hiring Manager. From that perspective Linda McMahon is a fine person and she certainly has a nice professional presentation, but her resume is completely lacking in the relevant job skills, and her experience is heavy on failure and light on success. She has had ample opportunity to gain the requisite experience but hasn’t made any effort to do so, and clearly doesn’t deserve to waltz into the United States Senate simply because she is a passable actress with a nice smile and a fat checkbook.
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strobogo

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Yea, I think everyone kind of instinctively knew all of that besides 7. All of those should have been used by her opponents already.
 
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Kyoufu

Member
I think I respect Cena more now.

The guy has done it all yet he's still there.

Punk will retire as soon as he gets his Wrestlemania main event with Austin done with.
 
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British Monsoon

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Kyoufu said:
The guy has done it all yet he's still there.
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I'd like to see an alternate reality where, recognising that Cena has done everything and isn't getting any younger, WWE tell him that he needs to make way from the main event and help use the name he's built to put over the next generation. My point is, it's easy to be there when you're continually presented as, and paid as, the top guy in the company.
 
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Dark Ninja

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Kyoufu said:
I think I respect Cena more now.

The guy has done it all yet he's still there.

Punk will retire as soon as he gets his Wrestlemania main event with Austin done with.
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I would like to see a John Cena Documentary where they go over how they shoved him down everybodys throats and have interviews with wrestlers that tried to get him over and how difficult it was to get boo'd against him. Then an indepth interview with Vince about he would build guys up specifically to feed them to Cena and how he John Cena is the best wrestler in the world
 
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gurudyne

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Kyoufu said:
I think I respect Cena more now.

The guy has done it all yet he's still there.

Punk will retire as soon as he gets his Wrestlemania main event with Austin done with.
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What does this mean? He's still there, but his being there is a detriment to those around him (being the almighty Burier of Gimmicks and Talent that he is thanks to his SuperCena booking and his inability to emotionally or physically sell) and it seems like he's lost his passion for the work--his trademark lazy smirk is about all of the personality as he injects in promos of late. Really, it seems like he's coasting on his multimillion dollar salary and frankly, I would too if I were him. Take the adoration while you can get it, save up that retirement fund and then when it's hard to even pull off his 5 MoD, slip slowly into the same Legend status Trips has.
 
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strobogo

Banned
I wonder how much Cena's crazy schedule is responsible for his seemingly coasting attitude of the past two years or so. I think it is silly to say he doesn't care, but he certainly isn't putting in the same kind of effort on screen at least.
 
Carnby

Carnby

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strobogo said:
I wonder if wrestling will ever be able to get back to not having GMs/COO/general authority figures. That's probably the worst thing from the Attitude Era. As great as Mr. McMahon was, that's the reason why we have to have GMs on every wrestling show with television (and sometimes indie promotions that don't have TV, IPPV, or even DVDs).
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WWE was doing GM angles before Mr. McMahon. Remember Gorilla Monson and Commissioner Slaughter?
 
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Dark Ninja

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cjelly said:
It's a bit weird how the Punk documentary ends at MITB 2011. Guess there's not much to tell since.
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Actually all the transition parts in the documentary Punk being inside his touring van, at Wizard World, doing media, talking to Dean Ambrose and Wade Barret backstage is all current stuff. Or as current as it can because that dvd has been finished for awhile now. Storyline wise though thats the best place to end it
 
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