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[Recall]

The WWE Holiday Live Tour is coming in my area in December. How are house shows nowadays?

The last one I was at was back in 1991, where main event was Big Boss Man vs. Mr. Perfect in a steel cage.

Last one I saw had Big Show vs Kane in a cage, in 2014.

 

[Bluekaveli]

they actually have a decent track record with shows with bad builds lately. If you don't expect much then you're not surprised if it sucks and pleasantly surprised if it doesn't.

Also what build do you expect?

Undertaker/Brock needs no build. It's their "final match" trapped in a cage. Undertaker is old and cagey, this is his yard, he's the big dog, etc, etc.

Cena is fighting a surprise opponent. You can't really build that.

Kane and Seth have had 3 segments on almost every RAW for three months building this. Just because a person might not like it doesn't mean this hasn't been built up!

What's so strange is how there was nothing the the Championship match on raw. They don't even care.

Owen said Mark is probably having a decent dinner and listening to Marvin Gaye lol.

 

[Recall]

Kane vs Rollins will have a screwy finish.

 

[Bluekaveli]

Kane vs Rollins will have a screwy finish.

Austin will make sure Kane wins

 

[Man God]

Austin counts the 1.2,3 for both men and takes the title, challenging brock at Wrestlemania to come get some, ya dumb sum of a bitch.

 

[shanafan]

Last one I saw had Big Show vs Kane in a cage, in 2014.

Decent shows still? Is it worth the price of admission?

 

[Recall]

Decent shows still? Is it worth the price of admission?

keep your expectations in check and you can have fun, as the same show had Reigns vs Orton in a "Street fight" and it was entertaining.

 

[klonere]

Kane vs Rollins will have a screwy finish.

yeah it will be

as in Kane is going to be screwy in the head when Rollins Pedigrees him 5 times out of spite because he's sick of this shit. Then he goes on a ruthless run till Mania destroying all and sundry, threatening to kill people like he did with Edge, until Romanga Reigns knocks the crap out of him in the main event and everyone goes CAH RAZY.

book it friends

 

[Man God]

yeah it will be

as in Kane is going to be screwy in the head when Rollins Pedigrees him 5 times out of spite because he's sick of this shit. Then he goes on a ruthless run till Mania destroying all and sundry, threatening to kill people like he did with Edge, until Romanga Reigns knocks the crap out of him in the main event and everyone goes CAH RAZY.

book it friends

some solid booking there, friend.

 

[DMczaf]

I can't wait for the markout moment in GWF when OUR music hits

WE-WE-WE-WE-WERE TAKING OVER

4 lyfe

 

[PHOENIXZERO]

I liked Hollywood Rock. His theme wasn't that great, but the promos were ace and his match with The Hurricane was fantastic.

The Rock made The Hurricane look like he deserved to be in the ring with him and maybe elevated Helms a bit, then he got killed by Triple H.

 

[Man God]

Another fun fact of the New Generation era: The Rocky sucks and Die Rocky Die justification the Rock gives for turning heel is largely false. He is a semi tepid blue chipper babyface who wins his first SS match, gets the IC belt a few months later, defends it regularly to an ok response, gets injured, turns heel.

It did make for the best sound clips in Warzone though!

 

[UberTag]

yeah it will be

as in Kane is going to be screwy in the head when Rollins Pedigrees him 5 times out of spite because he's sick of this shit. Then he goes on a ruthless run till Mania destroying all and sundry, threatening to kill people like he did with Edge, until Romanga Reigns knocks the crap out of him in the main event and everyone goes CAH RAZY.

book it friends

some solid booking there, friend.

Two dozen writers kowtowing to the whims of Vince will come up with something far worse than the above scenario.

 

[DMczaf]

There were so many LEGIT SHOOK moments between late 96 and late 97. You never knew what was a shoot and what was a work.

FRUSTRATED ISNT A GOD DAMN WORD FOR IT

Me at 13 - *shook*

 

[Man God]

There were so many LEGIT SHOOK moments between late 96 and late 97. You never knew what was a shoot and what was a work.

FRUSTRATED ISNT A GOD DAMN WORD FOR IT

Me at 13 - *shook*

Remember that post I had last page about prophetic bits about Bret getting screwed in 1996/7? This is one of the big ones.

 

[Vylash]

slater beating cena clean is the only outcome i'll accept

 

[Bluekaveli]

Remember that post I had last page about prophetic bits about Bret getting screwed in 1996/7? This is one of the big ones.

Correct!

 

[DMczaf]

slater beating cena clean is the only outcome i'll accept

AC Slater?

I don't think he can still go, friend. However, he's a legit All-American amateur wrestler, and those skills are usually everlasting...

 

[Man God]

Correct!

He also says similar things in late 1996 as he's starting to become whiny heel Bret and is instead whiny face Bret.

Million Dollar man starts off 1996 by saying he spent all of 1995 looking for his million dollar champ and brings out the ringmaster. Funny because of how true it is, few things (Mabel) are worse about 1995 than the final days of the Million Dollar Corporation.

 

[UberTag]

There were so many LEGIT SHOOK moments between late 96 and late 97. You never knew what was a shoot and what was a work.

FRUSTRATED ISNT A GOD DAMN WORD FOR IT

Me at 13 - *shook*

Now that's what I call a "go home" show. It was an absolute trip following the WWE back then as all of these angles played out. These men all wanted to kill each other for logical reasons (none of which had anything to do with buttering up "the WWE universe" or placating some authority figure) and it was glorious.

 

[DMczaf]

Now that's what I call a "go home" show. It was an absolute trip following the WWE back then as all of these angles played out. These men all wanted to kill each other for logical reasons (none of which had anything to do with buttering up "the WWE universe" or placating some authority figure) and it was glorious.

Look how pissed Bret was about not winning the WWE title.

Does anyone care that much about ANYTHING in WWE today?

 

[Man God]

Now that's what I call a "go home" show. It was an absolute trip following the WWE back then as all of these angles played out. These men all wanted to kill each other for logical reasons (none of which had anything to do with buttering up "the WWE universe" or placating some authority figure) and it was glorious.

That is basically the core tenant of the Bill Watts/JR style of booking. No real top star, a bunch of equals feuding over the title. It's a great way to get some shit started that's for sure, but in the end someone will emerge as the top dog.

Look how pissed Bret was about not winning the WWE title.

Does anyone care that much about ANYTHING in WWE today?

Rollins and his statue, he nearly killed STANG over it.

Cena getting clowned by J-stew as well. He was getting hot over it.

New Generation era stone cold would get that pissed if you coughed though.

 

[Bluekaveli]

He also says similar things in late 1996 as he's starting to become whiny heel Bret and is instead whiny face Bret.

Million Dollar man starts off 1996 by saying he spent all of 1995 looking for his million dollar champ and brings out the ringmaster. Funny because of how true it is, few things (Mabel) are worse about 1995 than the final days of the Million Dollar Corporation.

Explain that last part a little bit more.

 

[Recall]

Look how pissed Bret was about not winning the WWE title.

Does anyone care that much about ANYTHING in WWE today?

Roman "You kidnapped my daughter? let me stroll to the ring before I punch you because running is for losers" Reigns

As for Bret The montreal screw job was the perfect conclusion to a crazy year, what else could they have ever done. Bret was always awesome

 

[DMczaf]

Rollins and his statue, he nearly killed STANG over it.

Cena getting clowned by J-stew as well. He was getting hot over it.

New Generation era stone cold would get that pissed if you coughed though.

 

[Man God]

Explain that last part a little bit more.

You've got heel Tatanka, cold as ice. The final days of IRS, one of the most boring in ring competitors ever in the WWF. You've got Bam-Bam who turns face, Sid who has some awful matches with Diesel, and the remnants of Nicholi Volkoff and King Kong Bundy. Oh and the SUPREME FIGHTING MACHINE KAMA. They primarily continue their feud with the Undertaker, taking a short break to fuck with Diesel. None of the matches are any good and The Million Dollar Man himself looks bored half the time. At the very end of the year he starts talking up Austin, aka the Ring Master, as the next Million Dollar Champion and the true generational star he spent all of 1995 looking for...which ends up being absolutely true!

 

[DMczaf]

I'm just imagining if Pillman lived and stayed with WWE through the Ruthless Aggression era. Dude would have been crazy money.

And then seeing TV-PG Era Pillman...

 

[Man God]

I'm just imagining if Pillman lived and stayed with WWE through the Ruthless Aggression era. Dude would have been crazy money.

And then seeing TV-PG Era Pillman...

I mean, you basically get that for a few months in 1996. It's him being crazy and only using regular tv swears.

 

[Bluekaveli]

Another fun fact of the New Generation era: The Rocky sucks and Die Rocky Die justification the Rock gives for turning heel is largely false. He is a semi tepid blue chipper babyface who wins his first SS match, gets the IC belt a few months later, defends it regularly to an ok response, gets injured, turns heel.

It did make for the best sound clips in Warzone though!

Well yeah but he decided, "Hey, they hated me first, fuck them. I'd rather be at the top then fight for the people."

The Rock made The Hurricane look like he deserved to be in the ring with him and maybe elevated Helms a bit, then he got killed by Triple H.

Because he believed in making people better. Hunter though os a different story. Hollywood Rock was excellent. Also remember him putting making others look good.

 

[Sweeney Tom]

Slipknot's Corey Taylor helped Samoa Joe beat Baron Corbin at the Sacramento Aftershock festival today

I hope I die before I ever have to type a sentence half that embarrassing again

 

[DMczaf]

I mean, you basically get that for a few months in 1996. It's him being crazy and only using regular tv swears.

But we would have got 96 Pillman with the Smackdown Six....Smackdown Seven...

 

[Recall]

I'm just imagining if Pillman lived and stayed with WWE through the Ruthless Aggression era. Dude would have been crazy money.

And then seeing TV-PG Era Pillman...

He would have returned to WCW by 1998, had a random few weeks with ECW in 2000. Had a few spots on a 2006 Raw and then would be a road agent for WWE.

WWE had no clue what to do with Pillman.

 

[lovely ladies]

There were so many LEGIT SHOOK moments between late 96 and late 97. You never knew what was a shoot and what was a work.

FRUSTRATED ISNT A GOD DAMN WORD FOR IT

Me at 13 - *shook*

I missed the beginning of La Femme Nikita because of that shit.

 

[Bluekaveli]

You've got heel Tatanka, cold as ice. The final days of IRS, one of the most boring in ring competitors ever in the WWF. You've got Bam-Bam who turns face, Sid who has some awful matches with Diesel, and the remnants of Nicholi Volkoff and King Kong Bundy. Oh and the SUPREME FIGHTING MACHINE KAMA. They primarily continue their feud with the Undertaker, taking a short break to fuck with Diesel. None of the matches are any good and The Million Dollar Man himself looks bored half the time. At the very end of the year he starts talking up Austin, aka the Ring Master, as the next Million Dollar Champion and the true generational star he spent all of 1995 looking for...which ends up being absolutely true!

Okay, I gotcha now. I was reading that like whaaaaat?

I like how Ted endorsed Taker then continued to try and fuck him over years after lol. It's nice when history is in the booking instead of random shit.

 

[klonere]

Roman "You kidnapped my daughter? let me stroll to the ring before I punch you because running is for losers" Reigns

As for Bret The montreal screw job was the perfect conclusion to a crazy year, what else could they have ever done. Bret was always awesome

Roman "you threatened my daughter so lets talk it out in the ring here while I'm outnumbered" Reigns

fire all the writers

 

[Man God]

He would have returned to WCW by 1998, had a random few weeks with ECW in 2000. Had a few spots on a 2006 Raw and then would be a road agent for WWE.

WWE had no clue what to do with Pillman.

There is literally no way WCW rehires him. He was Lex Luger going back to WWF level persona non grata for his contract shenanigans.

 

[Recall]

Bret made others look like stars, he co-operated with them and then we have HBK and HHH selfish as ever.

 

[UberTag]

WWE had no clue what to do with Pillman.

 

[Jimmy King]

Slipknot's Corey Taylor helped Samoa Joe beat Baron Corbin at the Sacramento Aftershock festival today

I hope I die before I ever have to type a sentence half that embarrassing again

So Seth is going to have somebody from Bring Me the Horizon interfere on Sunday.

 

[Man God]

Pillman is literally perfect as the fourth man in the hart foundation. He hates Austin, he owes a lot to the Hart family, he's crazy, he hates Austin.

 

[klonere]

Holy shit I just realized who the perfect new US champ could be.

 

[Man God]

Samoa Joe?

 

[Recall]

Chris Masters?

 

[Bluekaveli]

Chris Masters?

I'd kill to have Masters return. DUPREE TOO!

 

[Recall]

Clocks just went back here in the UK. Time travel is fun

 

[Bluekaveli]

Bret made others look like stars, he co-operated with them and then we have HBK and HHH selfish as ever.

See Shawn would make you look good but he wasn't going to give you the victory lol.

I was laughing at how they wanted Davey to go over in his home town and shawn was like no no no, listen to me let's have you lose so they can really hate me then you'll win later.


Guess what never happened.




Lmfao!

 

[Sweeney Tom]

Holy shit I just realized who the perfect new US champ could be.

JS

for Joey Samoey

 

[shaowebb]

And what a truly star making win it was.

Coming to think of it all his major title wins are weak.

Kinda looks like a botch there when Sheamus gets up next to a table thats been kicked onto its side without breaking outside the ring. Like BOTH men were meant to go through a table with Cena inside and Sheamus goin through the one outside to stir the pot. Instead of controversy though it ended with Sheamus getting a clean win.

 

[slightconfuse]

It's a shame we never got real ass vader in the WWF. Guy was always second banana

 

[Recall]

It's a shame we never got real ass vader in the WWF. Guy was always second banana

Did he have a falling out with Shawn and WWE management after Summerslam?