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[tuxfool]

Without defense spendimg there is nothing to defend. Fact. Anyone drops bombs, they know there will be bombs dropped in retaliation. Without defense spending, what happens when the bombs drop?

Who is dropping any bombs? But you're right all money should go to defense, not infrastructure or schooling (something that you're seemingly desperately lacking) or helping the poor. What is the point of a overfunded and fatcat military if what they're defending is crumbling to pieces?

For somebody that claims to be in the military, you have a desperately superficial idea of how the military industrial complex works.

 

[Mahonay]

Without defense spendimg there is nothing to defend. Fact. Anyone drops bombs, they know there will be bombs dropped in retaliation. Without defense spending, what happens when the bombs drop?

I'm confused. Do you think we're still in the Cold War?

 

[mjp2417]

For what it's worth, The Daily Beast is owned by IAC, which has Chelsea Clinton on the board of directors.

I'm going to sit on this one and wait until I hear his response to pass judgment. Regardless, I'd like to know what Palmer was thinking. Publicly admitting to funding something like this? Eh?

The Daily Beast isn't going to destroy its reputation to falsely smear someone who is only known to tech geeks. This is only a big story within corners of the web like Neogaf.

 

[Heckler456]

Why the hell would you do that to an overweight person actively doing something about it? Help him out, encourage him for fucks sake. This doesn't even make any sense? The guy is clearly overweight and he obviously wants to do something about it, BECAUSE HE'S WORKING OUT AT THE GYM.

Because he's an unrepentant sociopath.

 

[Bsigg12]

Without defense spendimg there is nothing to defend. Fact. Anyone drops bombs, they know there will be bombs dropped in retaliation. Without defense spending, what happens when the bombs drop?

Are we passing on fact checking here like Trump wants to on Monday?

No one is saying eliminate defense spending.

 

[Shpeshal Nick]

Yep, and MS is heavily promoting it.

Shit,
Shit,
Fucking shit.

No. no they're not.

You're getting confused with the Xbox controller that comes with Oculus.

 

[Fallout-with-swords]

Reminds me of that thread a couple days ago about creator's politics ruining your enjoyment of their work. Fuck him and fuck Oculus.

 

[TheTylerRob]

You guys should probably stop responding to MarineMountie. You aren't going to change his opinion. He, and a lot of the other members of the US military are literally brainwashed into believing this stuff. It's sad, but there is nothing you can do.

 

[Obliterator]

I'm confused. Do you think we're still in the Cold War?

To be fair most of the world is in a "Cold War". Nukes have gotten in the way of the major superpowers going to war over the past several decades. Without them we would have almost assuredly seen larger scale conflicts.

But yeah this has almost nothing to do with the election

 

[MarineMountie]

We don't need to spend more than the next 25 countries combined to get that point across. It's wasteful bullshit and your fear mongering defense of it is exactly why politicians are so easily able to get away with it.

Fear mongering? I spent 4 years in the Marine Corps. 3 deployments, was forced out due to injuries and am now disabled. I have seen 1st hand what people want to do to the US. You take away defense spending, bad things will happen.

I'm done with this. I didn't realize GAF was so liberal dominated. Not sure if its better or worse than a conservative dominated board. Back to happy game threads for me.

 

[DICKS AHOY]

I feel like this was low key known but covered up by a ton of people since I vaguely remember hearing a few mumerinngs about Palmer's politics a year ago.

Was this 'discovered' by the DailyBeast, or did Palmer directly tell them? The deletion of his account and him directly lying about shit like supposedly knowing Trump personally back in 2012 makes me think the former. I'm guessing, especially if Trump loses, you're not going to see him doing PR stints anymore even if he stays at Rift.

 

[UncleSporky]

Why did Palmer tell The Dailey Beast about his Reddit account?

As it says in the article, the organization's founders made the account for him and gave him the password to it. It wasn't really "his" account. Sounds more like they told him, "write for us, please," and no one was really that concerned about his anonymity. Or at least, Palmer wouldn't have been. He didn't make the account.

For what it's worth, The Daily Beast is owned by IAC, which has Chelsea Clinton on the board of directors.

I'm going to sit on this one and wait until I hear his response to pass judgment. Regardless, I'd like to know what Palmer was thinking. Publicly admitting to funding something like this? Eh?

You think the owner of the NimbleRichMan account deleted it simultaneously with the release of this article for absolutely no reason?

You don't think this sort of behavior is consistent with Palmer's character, as demonstrated by his twitter activity and the company he keeps?

 

[tuxfool]

You guys should probably stop responding to MarineMountie. You aren't going to change his opinion. He, and a lot of the other members of the US military are literally brainwashed into believing this stuff. It's sad, but there is nothing you can do.

It is incredible that they don't have the slightest understanding of how the military works.

 

[Stacked99]

Wow Palmer is a straight scumbag

This thread is the perfect example of why people do not bring up politics in general conversation. Neither "side" can have a conversation or respectful debate without personally attacking other people for their views.

 

[StopMakingSense]

Fear mongering? I spent 4 years in the Marine Corps. 3 deployments, was forced out due to injuries and am now disabled. I have seen 1st hand what people want to do to the US. You take away defense spending, bad things will happen.

I didn't realize the only options were "All the Money" and "Zero"

 

[GreatestHits]

A 24 year old is not a kid

Honestly, his chances of changing his core beliefs are under 10% according to my wild guess. But hell yes he's still a baby at 24 when it comes to serious issues that require a decent level of maturity to understand and process. Everyone is different but it takes a level of experience to know how to truly put yourself in other people's shoes, which I see less of in people in their 20's in general. But we all mature at different rates, and he's already pretty far down there...

 

[Armaros]

As it says in the article, the organization's founders made the account for him and gave him the password to it. It wasn't really "his" account. Sounds more like they told him, "write for us, please," and no one was really that concerned about his anonymity. Or at least, Palmer wouldn't have been. He didn't make the account.



You think the owner of the NimbleRichMan account deleted it simultaneously with the release of this article for absolutely no reason?

You don't think this sort of behavior is consistent with Palmer's character, as demonstrated by his twitter activity and the company he keeps?

So you are saying the dailybeast printed libel that could easily get them sued and actually lose a libel case?

Honestly, his chances of changi g his core beliefs are under 10% according to my wild guess. But hell yes he's still a baby at 24 when it comes to serious issues that require a decent level of maturity to u derstand and process. Everyone is different but it takes a level of experience to know how to truly put yourself in other people's shoes which I see less of in people in their 20's in general. But we all mature at different rates, and he's already pretty far down there...

Only a 24 year old white man gets the benefit of the doubt to be called a kid at that age as a defense for doing the indefensible.

 

[GreatestHits]

Only a 24 year old white man gets the benefit of the doubt to be called a kid at that age as a defense for doing the indefensible.

Look dude, I'm not the cops

Inb4 Luckey plays the, "I was just kidding" card after a long call from Zuckerberg : P

 

[Felensis]

If really true, he's one of the biggest scumbags walking on this planet. The Vive it is. Wasn't my favorite because I don't have the space for it, but Oculus is out of question from now on.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Fear mongering? I spent 4 years in the Marine Corps. 3 deployments, was forced out due to injuries and am now disabled. I have seen 1st hand what people want to do to the US. You take away defense spending, bad things will happen.

I'm done with this. I didn't realize GAF was so liberal dominated. Not sure if its better or worse than a conservative dominated board. Back to happy game threads for me.

Yes, "I've seen firsthand what people want to do to the US" is bullshit fear mongering. Also something sadly and disappointingly ironic about a person who is disabled railing so hard against government social welfare programs.

You are probably better off in your "happy game threads" where you don't actually have to face the cold hard truth of reality.

 

[UncleSporky]

So you are saying the dailybeast printed libel that could easily get them sued and actually lose a libel case?

What's the libel?

 

[besada]

But what's to stop this whole saga unfolding again in four years' time? We've seen an extreme hard right individual like Trump soar from irrelevancy to having a real shot at power, and that's been under a (more or less) well received President over the last eight years. What happens when you've had a President who's been attacked for four years by the people who championed her election; what kind of political climate does that create, and how much more easily would that be exploited by someone like Trump?

I understand that right now it's the only option remaining, but man, it seems to me like building a short-term future on some very shaky long-term ground.

It is, but when that's what you have, that's what you build on. Again, no one here wants this, but this is the shitty system we have, and while the people like to complain, very few are willing to do the boring, hard work necessary to try and actually make it better, because it's easier to play sports teams every four years and then go back to ignoring politics the rest of the time.

You aren't going to get any disagreement from me that the situation is utterly fucked. I could type all night and not detail all of the ways in which it's fucked, from non proportional vote assignation to artificial barriers to voting access to artificial barriers for non major parties to money in politics, etc., etc., ad infinitum. And all of that stuff needs work and the persistence of generations to change.

But on Nov. 8th, we're going to pick a new President with the shitty system we have in place, so focusing on fixing it is putting the cart before the horse, because the result of this election is going to fundamentally change the political landscape, regardless of who wins. The winner is going to appoint enough Supreme Court justices to alter the slant of the court in any direction they choose, which has long lasting ramifications for our society.

(Looks down and notices he has wandered entirely off topic...sorry

 

[Dreamwriter]

Wow Palmer is a straight scumbag

In what way? Are you suggesting that anybody who is pro-Trump is a straight scumbag?

It sounds like Palmer Luckey threw $10,000 at a group that makes anti-Hillary memes for fun, and made some posts for fun as well playing a character (and making shit up).

 

[Sai-kun]

Fear mongering? I spent 4 years in the Marine Corps. 3 deployments, was forced out due to injuries and am now disabled. I have seen 1st hand what people want to do to the US. You take away defense spending, bad things will happen.

I'm done with this. I didn't realize GAF was so liberal dominated. Not sure if its better or worse than a conservative dominated board. Back to happy game threads for me.

Yes, because the next logical step from spending billions of dollars on our defense budget is to spend zero dollars.

Learn the fucking lore.

In what way? Are you suggesting that anybody who is pro-Trump is a straight scumbag?

If you're voting for Trump, you're supporting racism, homophobia, misogyny, and xenophobia. So yeah.

 

[ScientificPizza]

Fear mongering? I spent 4 years in the Marine Corps. 3 deployments, was forced out due to injuries and am now disabled. I have seen 1st hand what people want to do to the US. You take away defense spending, bad things will happen.

I'm done with this. I didn't realize GAF was so liberal dominated. Not sure if its better or worse than a conservative dominated board. Back to happy game threads for me.

Hillary isn't running on a platform that she is going to abolish the military and cut 100% of funding

Even win a SUBSTANTIAL funding cut, the military is gonna be just fine

 

[GillianSeed79]

Or because 4 more years of a democrat pouring funds into the welfare state might literally bankrupt this country? There are different reasons for different people. Economy being a huge one.

The states that receive the most federal dollars and funding are all solidly red GOP tea party conservative bastions like Alabama and Mississippi. Just look at the top ten. All red and all GOP. It's not the mythical inner city welfare queen racist stereotype perpetuated by Republicans that are getting all those federal welfare dollars. It's practically every red GOP state in the south. But please continue getting your facts from Fox News.

 

[Tagyhag]

Fear mongering? I spent 4 years in the Marine Corps. 3 deployments, was forced out due to injuries and am now disabled. I have seen 1st hand what people want to do to the US. You take away defense spending, bad things will happen.

I'm done with this. I didn't realize GAF was so liberal dominated. Not sure if its better or worse than a conservative dominated board. Back to happy game threads for me.

Liberal dominated board: "Immigrants are people"

Conservative dominated board: "Immigrants are insects"

I hope you can see which one is worse.

 

[LelouchZero]

This is insane, I don't even know what to say.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

In what way? Are you suggesting that anybody who is pro-Trump is a straight scumbag?

There's pro-Trump, and then there's a pro-Trump billionaire who is secretly starting an organization and willing to fund millions and posting in a social media forum, rallying people to ensure things go the way he wants it to go. This is the first pro-Trump billionaire outed from the gaming industry. Don't be upset, there's no need to be.

 

[Dmented]

We don't need to spend more than the next 25 countries combined to get that point across. It's wasteful bullshit and your fear mongering defense of it is exactly why politicians are so easily able to get away with it.

An insane waste is how we spend money on shit and don't even look at the receipt. Just put the number down and they pay it.

 

[WrenchNinja]

In what way? Are you suggesting that anybody who is pro-Trump is a straight scumbag?

Yes, anyone supporting a racist misogynist is a scumbag.

 

[UncleSporky]

If really true, he's one of the biggest scumbags walking on this planet. The Vive it is. Wasn't my favorite because I don't have the space for it, but Oculus is out of question from now on.

You don't actually need space for the Vive. It has a single camera mode too, just like the Oculus. Normally the two base stations are set to B and C channels, but you can set one to A and put it above your computer and play seated games with an Xbox controller. Works great for Elite Dangerous, for example.

 

[_woLf]

This confirmed that I will never, ever buy an oculus rift. Vive it is.

Fuck you Palmer, you scumbag

 

[reKon]

In what way? Are you suggesting that anybody who is pro-Trump is a straight scumbag?

You should read the information in the first post

 

[Mahonay]

Fear mongering? I spent 4 years in the Marine Corps. 3 deployments, was forced out due to injuries and am now disabled. I have seen 1st hand what people want to do to the US. You take away defense spending, bad things will happen.

I'm done with this. I didn't realize GAF was so liberal dominated. Not sure if its better or worse than a conservative dominated board. Back to happy game threads for me.

You do realize Trump has insulted decorated veterans on multiple occasions?

 

[GreatestHits]

You guys boycotting Oculus have to remember they have John Carmack, who's brilliance and karma nullify even the shittiest people around him... ha

 

[TharpDaddy]

I know this isn't related to Trump vs Clinton or the other main discussions happening here, but could this hurt VR going forward? If Luckey ruins Oculus's name that could do a good amount of damage considering how young the hardware is. It'd be unfortunate to only really have HTC/Valve and Sony as the big names out there.

 

[Dreamwriter]

There's pro-Trump, and then there's a pro-Trump billionaire who is secretly starting an organization and willing to fund millions into it to ensure things go the way he wants it to go. This is the first pro-Trump billionaire outed from the gaming industry.

Where did you get that he was willing to fund millions into it? He gave them like $10,000, according to their tax records, and made some fake posts.

You should read the information in the first post

I read the article, I didn't see anything suggesting he did anything scummy, just that for a lark he gave a tiny (for him) amount of money to a group that made funny political memes.

 

[civilstrife]

Fear mongering? I spent 4 years in the Marine Corps. 3 deployments, was forced out due to injuries and am now disabled. I have seen 1st hand what people want to do to the US. You take away defense spending, bad things will happen.

I'm done with this. I didn't realize GAF was so liberal dominated. Not sure if its better or worse than a conservative dominated board. Back to happy game threads for me.

Your mistake is thinking this has anything to do with party lines. Trump is not a regular Republican candidate. His views have been denounced by a record number of major players on both sides.

Your first post in this thread was an attempt to play dumb that Trump has been associated with white supremacy in any way and you were fact checked.

If your idea of a Liberal is anyone who doesn't support Trump, then you'll find that many renowned and respected conservatives are actually "Liberal".

 

[kcp12304]

In what way? Are you suggesting that anybody who is pro-Trump is a straight scumbag?

It's more giving money to help two people who run a haven of white supremacists and a particular notorious individual who was banned from Twitter for inciting harassment towards a black comedian.

 

[Steeped in a Sea of Games]

Fear mongering? I spent 4 years in the Marine Corps. 3 deployments, was forced out due to injuries and am now disabled. I have seen 1st hand what people want to do to the US. You take away defense spending, bad things will happen.

I'm done with this. I didn't realize GAF was so liberal dominated. Not sure if its better or worse than a conservative dominated board. Back to happy game threads for me.

You're right. We should stop paying worthless poors like veterans and the disabled because it'll bankrupt us and instead put that money into more bombs.

 

[Yurikerr]

Only a 24 year old white man gets the benefit of the doubt to be called a kid at that age as a defense for doing the indefensible.

Just like that 32 year old boy, Ryan, who went to Rio olympics and trashed the gas station.

You know how boys are, they just wanna have fun.

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

Ever heard of Benghazi? Again, this isnt a political board. I was just responding to those that think it is.

No, but I heard it was an ok movie.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Where did you get that he was willing to fund millions into it? He gave them like $10,000, according to their tax records, and made some fake posts.

Sure, he funded $10,000. Sitting there and boasting "I'm a self-made nimble rich billionaire man" isn't a $10,000 fund to me. Sure, it's a $10,000 now, at the start of this. It'll be $10,000 more soon, and more soon, until he gets to shake Trump's hand and stroke his ego in his pants to give a few more.

Regardless, a billionaire trying to rile shit up in the world for his own personal gains is a douche in my books.

 

[Stacked99]

In what way? Are you suggesting that anybody who is pro-Trump is a straight scumbag?

It sounds like Palmer Luckey threw $10,000 at a group that makes anti-Hillary memes for fun, and made some posts for fun as well playing a character (and making shit up).

Not in the slightest, I find it quite ridiculous that people that are pro-trump get labeled as being racist (sure there are a few but also sure there are a few that are dems/libs/green).

In regard to Palmer, i was referencing the accusations in the OP

 

[Obliterator]

Yes, "I've seen firsthand what people want to do to the US" is bullshit fear mongering. Also something sadly and disappointingly ironic about a person who is disabled railing so hard against government social welfare programs.

You are probably better off in your "happy game threads" where you don't actually have to face the cold hard truth of reality.

The "Seen firsthand" thing is absolutely not fear mongering and I respect the fuck out of the soldiers who go overseas and see firsthand the shit that most people in the US could never even dream of so I can't agree with you there at all Scooter. Even though I don't agree with anything else he is saying.

 

[Crash55118]

Mental gymnastics in this thread are great.

This specific group, that he bankrolled, as highlighted by the article (and admitted to by Lucky himself for some insane reason), was paid to further the Trump campaign/alt right/white supremacist agenda.

It's not like he made a donation to the Trump campaign, he literally paid to spread hate.

Facebook needs to show him the door.

 

[Ray Down]

I didn't realize the only options were "All the Money" and "Zero"

Why come to some dumb absolute conclusions such as those, unless the poster is a Sith.

 

[Dmented]

Fear mongering? I spent 4 years in the Marine Corps. 3 deployments, was forced out due to injuries and am now disabled. I have seen 1st hand what people want to do to the US. You take away defense spending, bad things will happen.

I'm done with this. I didn't realize GAF was so liberal dominated. Not sure if its better or worse than a conservative dominated board. Back to happy game threads for me.

Why am I not surprised to see this word.

 

[Bsigg12]

I know this isn't related to Trump vs Clinton or the other main discussions happening here, but could this hurt VR going forward? If Luckey ruins Oculus's name that could do a good amount of damage considering how young the hardware is. It'd be unfortunate to only really have HTC/Valve and Sony as the big names out there.

Na. There are so many companies bringing VR products to market over the next couple years that if anything this might stagger the already declined sales for the Rift but VR as a whole will be fine.