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[Huw_Dawson]

Whilst they did (and appear to continue to be giving) Ryu equally sexed-up alternate costumes, that Laura costume is a wee bit too far unless it looks vastly different in game.

They could have done a much cooler alternate costume based on female MMA or something, to compliment her already somewhat closely-sailing-to-the-wind default.

Barring her and Mika the rest of the alts are fantastic.

 

[Dark Ninja]

I don't like playing Necalli but his alt might change that.

Nah he still has those shitty dreads, its worse than Ken's banana hair

 

[Village]

Shitty what? I'll tell you who has shitty hair.

Show some respect.

It ain't terrible, but lili is way better for just having normal hair,

 

[JayEH]

It ain't terrible, but lili is way better for just having normal hair,

Oh no now we're bringing tekken into this. *Runs

Spoiler

I agree.

 

[RM8]

Street Fighter is a franchise whose first female character had panties you could see every time she kicked. The second female character in the series wore a thong leotard. People should stop acting like this stuff is anything new to Street Fighter. Nothing has changed and it's not suddenly like DoA.

DOA started with the massive bouncing breasts and blatant fanservice camera angles and outfits, and SFV is indeed moving in that direction. It's not that Chun and Cammy weren't sexy before, but the focus on their anatomy, along with Laura and Mika are nothing like SF2 where close ups or character intros couldn't even be a thing. I'm old enough to remember the rest of the FGC looking down on these things when DOA did them, but now it's what most people want, apparently.

 

[Ferrio]

I'm old enough to remember the rest of the FGC looking down on these things when DOA did them, but now it's what most people want, apparently.

FGC hates on anything that isn't Capcom, I don't ever remember it being because of T&A.

 

[cerulily]

Street Fighter is a franchise whose first female character had panties you could see every time she kicked. The second female character in the series wore a thong leotard. People should stop acting like this stuff is anything new to Street Fighter. Nothing has changed and it's not suddenly like DoA.

You're confusing what ought to be with what is. in SF2 -> SF3 (and 4 to a lesser extent) none of this was nearly as pronounced due to technology. I am going to just say the word that comes to mind. Laura's costume looks fucking trashy and i LIKE her default outfit. She's exactly the type of girl i make effort to NOT look at in public. And i'm not a man, so this isn't some sex thing, it's just an offense to good taste. I don't even think it looks sexy.

 

[Village]

Nah he still has those shitty dreads, its worse than Ken's banana hair

Dreads are awesome.

Shadow the dreadhog over there.

 

[RM8]

FGC hates on anything that isn't Capcom, I don't ever remember it being because of T&A.

Nope, people indeed mocked the pandering nature of DOA and obviously DOAX. Just ask any veteran DOA fan. Heck, they tried to ban revealing outfits in an attempt to be taken more seriously, and that wasn't that long ago.

 

[Fitts]

The way y'all are body shaming Laura is offensive.

 

[NoctisVsStar]

The way y'all are body shaming Laura is offensive.

It is, it's really about nothing.

Everytime a lil skin is shown everyone loses their minds.. " how dare they!" But if you like it you get accused of being pervy *kanye shrug

 

[GuardianE]

I like all the alts so far.

 

[cerulily]

The way y'all are body shaming Laura is offensive.

How so? Nobody is saying laura is ugly. An outfit isn't a body... unless i am wrong and we're all born with clothes.

Also, she's not real, so you can't shame her. Try harder.

 

[NoctisVsStar]

How so? Nobody is saying laura is ugly. An outfit isn't a body... unless i am wrong and we're all born with clothes.

Also, she's not real, so you can't shame her. Try harder.

Why so hostile over a fictional character though? I hear you but geez lol

 

[cerulily]

Why so hostile over a fictional character though? I hear you but geez lol

What do you mean? How am i being hostile in this statement you're quoting? I'm saying she is fine, but her outfit is not. Where is the hostility? To whom am i being hostile in that quote?
This person is clearly appropriating language of a certain side of an argument in a snidely sarcastic manner, yet is doing so completely incorrectly. I can only assume they're trying to be snarky and failing by virtue of their misunderstanding\.

 

[BlizzKrut]

Bison's alt is really good, not a big fan of Nash's alt since it isn't as a radical change as others, but he'll have more so I'll just wait.

 

[RM8]

Not only no one believes there's anything wrong with her body, but no one thinks it's wrong to find naked attractive bodies... attractive. That doesn't mean there can't be trashy outfits, how come that's so hard to understand in these threads?

 

[Gbraga]

I don't like Laura's alt either, but I surprisingly really liked Mika's.

#HEAT

Capcom loves Jojo

Who doesn't?

Tell em' like it is.

Spoiler

No avatar quote pls.

Spoiler

If you must.

Ooohohohohoho~

It ain't terrible, but lili is way better for just having normal hair,

I'd agree with you any day before V, but Karin is so best now.

 

[BadWolf]

Also, she's not real, so you can't shame her. Try harder.

If 'she's not real' then why does her outfit bother you so much?

 

[YianGaruga]

How so? Nobody is saying laura is ugly. An outfit isn't a body... unless i am wrong and we're all born with clothes.

Also, she's not real, so you can't shame her. Try harder.

pretty sure the body shaming thing was a joke. People were saying Poison can wear it but Laura can't

A lot of people here even agree that Laura's costume looks trashy and could be better.

And I agree, its not real, so why is it such a big deal?

 

[Huw_Dawson]

The way y'all are body shaming Laura is offensive.

Whilst this isn't an unfair point to make if worded differently (i.e. fussing over how a woman dresses is disempowering as men are not held to the same standard) - this costume reduces the design to almost 100% sex object. She already has a sexed-up default costume - it would have been nice to show variety - Chun and Cammy both get alts that show off their professions (police, military) wheras she could have got something MMA-ish, for example.

On balance the costume pushes things a bit too far, and the discussion is a fair one to have.

 

[Dark Ninja]

Dreads are awesome.

Shadow the dreadhog over there.

Not those dreads they look like rubber tires

 

[DR2K]

Laura's outfit is what a Brazillian prostitute would wear. I like it.

 

[cerulily]

If she's not real then why does her outfit bother you so much?

Because i think you can make attractive and sexy characters with more style than a tiny shorts with outrageous g-string. My argument isn't "this is bad because it's sexy" it's "This is bad because it's trashy and lacking in any style."

It is the most shallow form of pandering. They're literally not even trying here.

However, you're not asking the right question. I said "you cannot shame her because she isn't real" that is NOT the same as "this bothers me even though it's not real".

Are you seriously suggesting that i can only be bothered by things that exist in the physical world?

You are all talking like this is the last costume she will ever have. There will be more and better costumes.

so?

 

[Skilletor]

Nope, people indeed mocked the pandering nature of DOA and obviously DOAX. Just ask any veteran DOA fan. Heck, they tried to ban revealing outfits in an attempt to be taken more seriously, and that wasn't that long ago.

Kasumi has, like, 50 outfits in DoA. Most of them are her not wearing much. I'm being generous, but let's say that a guy with the most outfits has 20 (and I don't think they're up that high), but let's just say 20. The male with the largest outfit count has LESS THAN HALF of what almost all of the women have in DoA. The guys are constantly ignored in DoA in favor of the women.

Not so in SF.

Yes, Laura's outfit is a bit much and wouldn't be out of place in DoA. Rachel wears a very similar outfit, but so does Poison.

This is all ignoring the emphasis that Tecmo puts on the women. The fact that there are multiple breast physics option, a volleyball game with just women, outfits that come out for just the women, media that comes out advertising the outfits just for women.

I'm one of those long-time DoA fans, and I am aware of the criticisms, but it's because DoA does it in far larger quantities and far more focus on the women of the series than SF does their games. You can point out that this outfit would fit in to DoA, but you can't say the same thing about many of the outfits in DoA fitting into SF. You can't say that Capcom ignores the men of SF in favor of the women since almost everybody will likely be getting the same amount of costumes. And yeah, sure, some will be like Laura's, but until almost all of them are, then it's not like DoA.

 

[Inuhanyou]

Capcom: "We want to more respectful so we removed Mika's buttslap."

Capcom: "One of Mika's costumes is a red skintight suit."

I am in tears right now.

My thoughts exactly.

Especially that Laura costume. WTF

 

[TheOGB]

The way y'all are body shaming Laura is offensive.

I'm conflicted

On one hand, yeah, we need better diversity of outfits for female characters, and Laura's alt is yet another addition to the mountain of eye-rolling ladies costumes in games

But on the other, I kinda like how Laura's character is shaping up so far? I mean, I can do without the ditzy, but 'carefree black/brown girl' is something I've wanted to see more of in games. Her alt fits right in with that.

...But, a lot of things about SFV that don't pertain to gameplay don't seem as calculated and thought out as they should be, so again, I'm afraid that might not be totally intentional; I'm afraid the way I read some of these characters and enjoy them may not have been the way they were designed, y'know?

Also, "body shaming"

 

[Nocturnowl]

Can we talk about how they made Necalli even more of a Pillar Man than he already was for a moment?

LIKE A BLOODY STORM

The best argument for using that alt.

 

[YianGaruga]

it would have been nice to show variety - Chun and Cammy both get alts that show off their professions (police, military) wheras she could have got something MMA-ish, for example.

On balance the costume pushes things a bit too far, and the discussion is a fair one to have.

You are all talking like this is the last costume she will ever have. There will be more and better costumes.

 

[Gbraga]

Whilst this isn't an unfair point to make if worded differently (i.e. fussing over how a woman dresses is disempowering as men are not held to the same standard) - this costume reduces the design to almost 100% sex object. She already has a sexed-up default costume - it would have been nice to show variety - Chun and Cammy both get alts that show off their professions (police, military) wheras she could have got something MMA-ish, for example.

On balance the costume pushes things a bit too far, and the discussion is a fair one to have.

Man, Laura with the standard MMA gear would be so cool.

She would still be the most boring character in the game, but at least she would look cool while boring me to sleep.

 

[BadWolf]

Are you seriously suggesting that i can only be bothered by things that exist in the physical world?

I'm suggesting that people stop being drama queens, it's just a damn costume.

 

[KingJ2002]

this thread turned weird fast... either way. Love the alt costumes... so far Chun li has the best variety between the cop and the black dress... but i can imagine that will change down the road.

Laura tho... *bites fist*

 

[Warxard]

You are all talking like this is the last costume she will ever have. There will be more and better costumes.

doesnt' mean we can't stop shit talking the one she has now (which is bad!)

 

[LordJim]

Man, Laura with the standard MMA gear would be so cool.

She would still be the most boring character in the game, but at least she would look cool while boring me to sleep.

How is an outfit that is essentially a tanktop and shorts cool?
Like, the most boring choice possible

 

[Numb]

Who doesn't?

Laura's outfit is what a Brazillian prostitute would wear. I like it.

lol

Spoiler

wat

 

[cerulily]

I'm suggesting that people stop being drama queens, it's just a damn costume.

Ah, ok the "everyone's taste SHOULD line up with my own because i said so and to be anything otherwise is unreasonable" argument. Got ya.

How is an outfit that is essentially a tanktop and shorts cool?
Like, the most boring choice possible

Who would pay for something that literally has ZERO design to it? There is NOTHING to this costume at all.

 

[Savitar]

Sexy costumes in a fighting game?! I never!

But yeah it is sorta funny considering the whole buttslap thing.

 

[YianGaruga]

doesnt' mean we can't stop shit talking the one she has now (which is bad!)

Of course. But That was the third post which said she should have gotten an MMA outfit instead. I mean, she probably will later. And while I think that Poison outfit is bad, some people seem to like it, so why not. I wouldn't want it gone.

 

[Collateral22]

Wait is there another beta?

 

[Huw_Dawson]

You are all talking like this is the last costume she will ever have. There will be more and better costumes.

Of this I have no doubt - but those future costumes do not currently exist. To analogize, the comfort of knowing that it's possible I will eat a pizza tomorrow does not excuse me from saying that the salad I am eating today is boring.

 

[RM8]

Kasumi has, like, 50 outfits in DoA. Most of them are her not wearing much. I'm being generous, but let's say that a guy with the most outfits has 20 (and I don't think they're up that high), but let's just say 20. The male with the largest outfit count has LESS THAN HALF of what almost all of the women have in DoA. The guys are constantly ignored in DoA in favor of the women.

Not so in SF.

Yes, Laura's outfit is a bit much and wouldn't be out of place in DoA. Rachel wears a very similar outfit, but so does Poison.

This is all ignoring the emphasis that Tecmo puts on the women. The fact that there are multiple breast physics option, a volleyball game with just women, outfits that come out for just the women, media that comes out advertising the outfits just for women.

I'm one of those long-time DoA fans, and I am aware of the criticisms, but it's because DoA does it in far larger quantities and far more focus on the women of the series than SF does their games. You can point out that this outfit would fit in to DoA, but you can't say the same thing about many of the outfits in DoA fitting into SF. You can't say that Capcom ignores the men of SF in favor of the women since almost everybody will likely be getting the same amount of costumes. And yeah, sure, some will be like Laura's, but until almost all of them are, then it's not like DoA.

I mean, no one is saying SF is on par with DOA, but they're definitely moving in that direction. The fanservice is definitely increasing in SF, I mean, the "Hot Pack" is a thing now.

 

[BadWolf]

Ah, ok the "everyone's taste SHOULD line up with my own because i said so and to be anything otherwise is unreasonable" argument. Got ya.

Try actually reading what is said next time.

 

[JayEH]

I wonder how much these costumes will cost. Some of them seem to be story mode costumes so I wonder if they can be unlocked without the need for fight money. But this is Capcom after all...

 

[NoctisVsStar]

this thread turned weird fast... either way. Love the alt costumes... so far Chun li has the best variety between the cop and the black dress... but i can imagine that will change down the road.

Laura tho... *bites fist*

It's always the same tiring thing and then people scream foul when butt slaps are removed or stuff are censored.

Laura tho *bites fist Wolf of Wall Street pic.

 

[Skilletor]

I mean, no one is saying SF is on par with DOA, but they're definitely moving in that direction. The fanservice is definitely increasing in SF, I mean, the "Hot Pack" is a thing now.

Yeah, and it includes Ryu.

 

[RockTurtle]

Ah, ok the "everyone's taste SHOULD line up with my own because i said so and to be anything otherwise is unreasonable" argument. Got ya.



Who would pay for something that literally has ZERO design to it? There is NOTHING to this costume at all.

i would pay for it :O

and also, kinda ironic

 

[YianGaruga]

Ah, ok the "everyone's taste SHOULD line up with my own because i said so and to be anything otherwise is unreasonable" argument. Got ya.



Who would pay for something that literally has ZERO design to it? There is NOTHING to this costume at all.

I really don't think the costume is a reason to be so hostile. We even agree that it's bad. But so what? It's one costume out of many.

 

[cerulily]

Try actually reading what is said next time.

I don't see how else i should read you sayingIi'm being a drama queen by saying an outfit is trashy.

I didn't call anyone to action. I didn't demand we do ANYTHING. I just said "this outfit is really trashy" and, according to you, such a thing is being a "drama queen".

Why? I can only assume you don't feel it's bad. ie: your taste is such. So why, if we voice our taste, which is different than yours, does it make anyone a "drama queen" if not simply because you dislike that our taste is different?

You're the one calling people names because they think differently than you, not me.

I really don't think the costume is a reason to be so hostile. We even agree that it's bad. But so what? It's one costume out of many.

I'm sorry, but in the quote you've quoted i am being hostile to being called a drama queen. It seems that this needed to be clarified for some reason.

Let's set one thing straight.

I'm not hostile over a costume.

I AM hostile at people deriding others and calling them names simply because their differing opinion is that this costume is bad. That is the shittiest kind of means to approach discourse and is the primary reason these threads always suck. Someone posts some news, someone says "i think this is bad" queue 10 people saying they're "dramatic and unreasonable", queue those people having to defend themselves simply because they have a different opinion, even if they didn't say anything about the other people and only kept their opinion about the subject at hand.

tl;dr I'm hostile at the bullshit ad-hominem when anyone disagrees about a matter of taste.

 

[Inuhanyou]

Like...i don't even care about the costumes to be honest, i just don't understand Capcom's lack of consistency.

"Oh we dont want to do anything OFFENSIVE AND TOO SEXY"

And yet we have all these barely showing outfits. Like pick a damn viewpoint instead of contradicting yourself at every turn

 

[Marvel]

I like to look at pretty digital ladies wearing fuck all, can't help it.

My bad.