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Phillies are sending OF Domingo Santana to the Astros to complete the Hunter Pence trade. He was the #9 ranked prospect in the Phillies system according to Baseball America.
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Official 2011 MLB Thread v.2: The Mets are terrible.
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AnEternalEnigma said:
Really? That's kind of shocking. He's only 18 right? I think he was at like a .800 OPS with decent pop for an 18 year old.
edit: BP had this to say before the season: 15. Domingo Santana, OF: A six-foot-five teenager with tremendous raw power, but he struck out 149 times last year in just 351 at-bats.
darkside31337
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The raw tools are great but the numbers not so much.
120 strikeouts in just 391 AB's this year (191 in 515 total A-Ball AB's) is pretty alarming. Not a ton of in-game power either. But he's just 18 so it's a nice pick up for the Astros.
120 strikeouts in just 391 AB's this year (191 in 515 total A-Ball AB's) is pretty alarming. Not a ton of in-game power either. But he's just 18 so it's a nice pick up for the Astros.
darkside31337
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Good news Twins fans / Bad news Tigers fans
#Twins acquire left-handed pitcher Cole Nelson and PTBNL from #Tigers for Delmon Young.
#Twins acquire left-handed pitcher Cole Nelson and PTBNL from #Tigers for Delmon Young.
Well thankfully Bill Smith waited until his value was at its absolute lowest before trading him, so there's that. I assume this means they're planning on bringing back Cuddyer, Kubel, or both. I'm expecting them to just bring Cuddyer back, and for way too much money to boot.
darkside31337
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Lambtron said:
He really dropped the ball by not getting a mediocre middle reliever for him when he could.
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clemenx said:
Delmon Young joined Twins in 2008. Since then the only player with more plate appearances and a lower WAR is Yuniesky Betancourt.
Him and Maggs is honestly pretty close in terms of futility.
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Jeff Sullivan's brilliant analysis on that at-bat: http://mlb.sbnation.com/2011/8/15/2364354/santiago-casilla-batting-video-jose-ceda-giants-marlinslazybones18 said:
Casilla stepped in, but only barely, standing more than a full Pedroia away from home plate.
The only explanation I can come up with is that Ceda was afraid. Casilla had never batted in the majors, sure. He's never batted in triple-A, either, nor double-A, nor single-A. But back in 2002, he batted 14 times with the rookie ball Arizona League Athletics and hit .462/.500/.769. Barry Bonds had a career slugging percentage of .607. Casilla's career slugging percentage was much much higher, and maybe Ceda preferred to take his chances with the guy on deck. Ball four.
ConradCervantes
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That picture, and the explanation above, is amazing.
DevelopmentArrested
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And yet no matter how shitty Young is, he's still worth more than some reliever. Twins gave up Matt Garza and Jason Barlett for Cole Nelson and a PTBNL. between this trade and almost giving up Denard Span for Drew Storen, I think Bill Smith is the new Ed Wade.darkside31337 said:
Woah woah woah, they sent Brendan Harris and cash to the Orioles with JJ Hardy for Jim Hoey & Brett Jacobson. That sweetens the haul a bit!DevelopmentArrested said:
Christ, Bill Smith is a bad GM.
Delmon is a horrible player. He's taking away playing time from better players. The Twins have too many slow, plodding corner outfielders. I understand the move, but they absolutely did it when Young had as little value as possible. But that goes back to my previous point about Smith being a terrible GM. He's completely overmatched. He's just awful. He's the Delmon Young of GMs.
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1.8 WAR over 6 years is pretty fucking terrible though.
darkside31337
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I remember last season when Twins fans thought Delmon Young was better than Span. Even some hilarious Delmon Young MVP talk back in August last year after one hot month.
Hell I bet most of them are pissed at Bill Smith at trading Young. They can't comprehend why they only got back a middle reliever and a PTBNL for the great Delmon Young.
http://www.twinkietown.com/2011/8/15/2364597/twins-trade-delmon-young-to-detroit#comments
The poll and article on that page is my proof that most Twins fans are insane.
Hell I bet most of them are pissed at Bill Smith at trading Young. They can't comprehend why they only got back a middle reliever and a PTBNL for the great Delmon Young.
http://www.twinkietown.com/2011/8/15/2364597/twins-trade-delmon-young-to-detroit#comments
The poll and article on that page is my proof that most Twins fans are insane.
I can't wait for another fun Bill Smith offseason.
- Sign Michael Cuddyer to a contract > $40 million.
- Trade Danny Valencia for some spare parts.
- Overpay one reliever instead of getting a couple of useful ones.
- Sign a terrible 3rd baseman, using Matt Tolbert as the "back up plan."
- Trade Francisco Liriano for basically nothing.
I can't stress just how terrible Bill Smith is.
- Sign Michael Cuddyer to a contract > $40 million.
- Trade Danny Valencia for some spare parts.
- Overpay one reliever instead of getting a couple of useful ones.
- Sign a terrible 3rd baseman, using Matt Tolbert as the "back up plan."
- Trade Francisco Liriano for basically nothing.
First, Twinkie Town is a terrible pulse of Twins fans, but I admit most are horrible. Some (like Aaron Gleeman, who you clearly read somewhere) are quite awesome, but there are a lot of shitty ones. But most Twins fans are happy he's down the road. If anything they are upset that Smith didn't move him when he had some value (i.e., this offseason). He was a completely replaceable asset, at a position (corner outfield) where the Twins had depth coming into the season. Instead, he traded away a very valuable asset (JJ Hardy) at a position (middle infield) where the Twins haven't had depth in years. Then they used that payroll room to give Pavano & Capps $15 million.darkside31337 said:
I can't stress just how terrible Bill Smith is.
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What? Twins should have offered free shipping. RT @jeffrent: Shouldn't the Twins have gotten a little more/better for trading Delmon Young?
and then in response comes Glen Perkins
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@keithlaw he rode our team bus to the field today. Does that count?
Ouch. Also do not google image the name Cole Nelson. I don't even want to know why that showed up.
What? Twins should have offered free shipping. RT @jeffrent: Shouldn't the Twins have gotten a little more/better for trading Delmon Young?
and then in response comes Glen Perkins
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@keithlaw he rode our team bus to the field today. Does that count?
Ouch. Also do not google image the name Cole Nelson. I don't even want to know why that showed up.
cuevas. PhD.
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Like that's hard to doLambtron said:
Yeah, it's pretty easy when Management gets rid of good players because they don't like their personality or foot speed. I can laugh at the White Sox now because the Twins aren't paying Adam Done $56 million, but I'm thinking they're about to get themselves into a similar contract with Michael Cuddyer.cuevas said:
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We all laugh at adam dunn.
Square Triangle
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He is still better than Maggs. Fucking Leyland has this weird love for vets who have fallen off their pace.
Twins fans will be mad if they let Cuddyer go and he gets that kind of coin somewhere else. But many of them are morons.
Just wait until you watch him play for like a week, then come back and let's have this discussion again. I hope the Twins' gameplan for tonight is "hit the ball into left field."Square Triangle said:
darkside31337
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Lambtron said:
"Everyone in the organization is ecstatic for Michael Cuddyer. He's been a fabulous team player; the team is always first" with him, general manager Bill Smith said. "It's never been about where he wants to play, or where he wants to bat - it's been about winning and the team."
Versatility in lineup + Versatility in field + Fabulous Team Player + Team First Mentality + Winner
You guys are screwed.
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There was an opinion piece in the Star Tribune the other day complaining that because of the Mauer contract the Twins had to "lowball" Cuddyer (they offered him a 2 year, $16 million extension during the season), and they're going to lose him. Which is horrible because Cuddyer has "outplayed" Mauer since 2010. This is the type of things these people think. It kills me.darkside31337 said:
I'd give Cuddyer two years, $12 million with an option for a 3rd year, max. I'd offer a bit more for Kubel who is younger and pretty much Cuddyer's equal everywhere except for CTORP (Card Tricks Over Replacement Player). The only place the Twins have organizational depth is at outfielder. They have a player with a similar skill set to Cuddyer in Trevor Plouffe (he can play all infield postions plus right & left field) who will make the minimum next year. He's probably not going to hit 20 bombs, but it's not like Cuddyer's career has been a model of consistency. Ben Revere is likely to play in left next year. Joe Benson & Rene Tosoni should be able to play at the corners. Signing a plodding corner outfielder to a long, big money contract is stupid, period. When the player is as marginal as Cuddyer, it's absolutely ludicrous.
It hasn't even happened yet and I'm melting down. I'm going to be a wreck this offseason watching Smith kill the team.
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Lol you'll have to keep me updated as Im stuck at work tonight.Lambtron said:
sf2fanatic
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Any chance we see Shawn Green in the lineup tonight? Could use some very much needed help..
e: on a different note I was listening to the Dan Patrick SHow and majority of the callers were excited about Uggla's streak ending. Im like damn..Also DP was interviewing Kemp and asked him about his ex...classic!!
e: on a different note I was listening to the Dan Patrick SHow and majority of the callers were excited about Uggla's streak ending. Im like damn..Also DP was interviewing Kemp and asked him about his ex...classic!!
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Hamels having an MRI. The Phils say it is just pre-cautionary though.
darkside31337
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sf2fanatic said:Any chance we see Shawn Green in the lineup tonight? Could use some very much needed help..
Still an upgrade over half the outfielders on the Giants roster.
That Delmon Young trade for the Twins...yuck.
Garza had a WAR of almost 9 in three years for the Rays, while Young finished with 1.0 WAR for the Twins. That isn't even counting how good Bartlett was for the Rays that one year.
He had a decent counting stats year last year (with a respectable .492 slugging) what happened to him this year?
Garza had a WAR of almost 9 in three years for the Rays, while Young finished with 1.0 WAR for the Twins. That isn't even counting how good Bartlett was for the Rays that one year.
He had a decent counting stats year last year (with a respectable .492 slugging) what happened to him this year?
ButTheBranca18 said:
Regression's a bitch, I guess. He was hitting like .355 with RISP last year which is clearly unsustainable. Also the Twins offense was actually pretty formidable last year and he hit with ducks on the pond a lot.TheBranca18 said:
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XiaNaphryz said:
I am laughing so hard at all of this right now; it's just beautiful.
darkside31337
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Doytch said:
To be fair to Melky, he's actually having a really damn amazing year in real life this season.
Delmon Young was only good in fantasy baseball. For one season.
Theres a strong argument to be made that the Royals should keep Gordon - Melky - Francoeur as their starting OFers going into next season. And I don't think there's a chance in hell anyone would have thought that before the season started.
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And no one expects that out of him. Again Maggs was a hole in the line up so anyone with two legs would have been better. Betemit is performing better now in a Tigers uniform, hopefuly Young comes around.Jdez15 said:
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