weekend_warrior
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Y2Kev said:
He'll get called up Sept 1st. But if you're complaining about Cervilli, Montero isn't going to replace him as the second catcher.
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Official 2011 MLB Thread v.2: The Mets are terrible.
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He'll get called up Sept 1st. But if you're complaining about Cervilli, Montero isn't going to replace him as the second catcher.
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ReturnOfTheRAT
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I'm happy that Minor got the win. Other than some early scares to the leadoff batters, he pitched a good game, and the 3 headed monster got the game locked away for him.
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*Insert any giants pitcher.
His defense is supposed to be slightly above average. He's definitely not as good with the glove as Alex, but his bat has taken a decent step forward this year. You're basically looking at a floor of major league average for Pastornicky, which is perfectly fine.verbum said:
5-1 against the giants this season. nice. Wish we could have done that in the postseason...
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/majors/trade-central/2010/2610369.html
http://capitolavenueclub.com/?p=3179
http://capitolavenueclub.com/?p=4596
Seems like he will be a better hitter (duh) than gonzo but a worse defender but still above average.
Baseball america said he had plus range in the trade analysis last season and Peter Hjort of capitol avenue said he had above average range as well.verbum said:
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/majors/trade-central/2010/2610369.html
http://capitolavenueclub.com/?p=3179
http://capitolavenueclub.com/?p=4596
Seems like he will be a better hitter (duh) than gonzo but a worse defender but still above average.
weekend_warrior
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Back-to-back.
captmcblack
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Andruw Jones swinging like it's 2005 in here.
I really, really miss that AJ - he was one of my favorite players, even though he was a Brave.
I really, really miss that AJ - he was one of my favorite players, even though he was a Brave.
talisayNon
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Windu said:
bernie williams was better
captmcblack
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Andruw Jones would've been a HOFer if he didn't eat himself out of efficacy at baseball.
He was so fucking good back in his prime.
He was so fucking good back in his prime.
captmcblack
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Okay, fuck sabermetrics - there is no way I'm going to really accept the idea that Andruw Jones was a better defender than Willie Mays, probably a top 5 defender in the outfield all-time.
The old defensive numbers are all based on TZR and the new ones have UZR thrown in, which is why I really don't think the Fangraphs numbers are terribly comparable (though UZR is better). But I don't know why you can't accept that he was a ridiculous defender. There's a lot more to outfield defense than pure speed.captmcblack said:
wWAR
edit: also, don't tell old braves fans that andruw was better than dale murphy, they go insane. I had that argument last season on some braves boards. Quite amusing.
also, Bobby Cox who saw both willie and jones play, said time and time again that jones was the better defender. Now of course take that with a grain a salt considering bobby always says great things about his players.
edit: also, don't tell old braves fans that andruw was better than dale murphy, they go insane. I had that argument last season on some braves boards. Quite amusing.
Not really, when you consider that B-R is using very conservative defensive metrics in order to make new and older players more comparable. I think Fangraphs probably is capturing his value better... it's just that other older players may have been much better (or worse) defensively than TZR thinks they were, too.clemenx said:
weekend_warrior
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Sharp said:
Washington Clippers effect.
Conservative in relation to what? I do admit having not knowledge about defensive metrics other than basic stuff about UZR I've read in fangraphs, so some links would be appreciated. I tend to ignore defense in most WAR because I really don't understand how it works, that's why I frown upon to the crazy numbers UZR gives some seasons (Lol 2009 Ben Zobrist)Sharp said:
I do think they work wonderfully in giving a general sense if someone is good or bad with the glove but I wonder how exact they are. But I understand the intrinsic limitations with trying to measure defense.
TZR is basically someone saying "okay, we don't actually know what the defenders were doing but we know how many flyballs dropped in left etc. and how many putouts were recorded by the player so we can distribute the blame in a way that seems reasonable and get a primitive understanding of a player's defense." With UZR, people actually divide the field into zones and figure out which zones a defender is making plays in, then assigns each play a runs prevented value based on the percentage of players at their who record outs in that zone. Because people don't get a ton of defensive chances and one great play / lousy play can skew things, UZR isn't very reliable in small samples, but over a player's career it's very good.
CajoleJuice
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Not sure you need to accept that Andruw Jones was better than Willie Mays to see him as a Hall of Famer. He has 414 HR and played the best CF any of us has ever seen. And he's still only 34.
Dmncnby2k9
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The guy is a beast.Doytch said:
And totally agree with you Cajole.
CajoleJuice
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I think Mets fans understand second to Braves fans just how incredible he was in CF. He played so goddamn shallow and still got to almost everything over his head.Dmncnby2k9 said:
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