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[Y2Kev]

Yeah I don't think Halladay will win because he wins all the time and he has to split the attention on his team. But I would vote for him.

 

[Doytch]

We can talk about how one guy just locked up the Triple Crown of pitching (tied in victories), while the other guy only has a case if we attempt to completely factor out luck, which we don't do for ANY other award in sports.

1. I don't give a shit about wins. I play fantasy baseball and I don't even pay attention to them cause they're so pitifully useless. Matter of fact I really don't care about either triple crown.
2. I don't know what other sports you pay attention to, but there're saber-ish stats in hockey and basketball, too. Probably none in football because you pretty much have to be brain dead to give a shit. And if the voters in those sports are retarded...are we honour-bound to be retarded also?

Yeah I don't think Halladay will win because he wins all the time and he has to split the attention on his team. But I would vote for him.

See this is why it's completely stupid to talk about predicting voter intention. The argument is essentially "the voters are stupid," and it is completely and utterly valid and pretty much correct.

 

[Maxim726X]

Yeah I don't think Halladay will win because he wins all the time and he has to split the attention on his team. But I would vote for him.

Why? Kershaw has better stats... Not considerably, but better nonetheless.

PS- If Boston continues to shit the bed, that would complete a collapse even worse than the Mets. Boston had an 8 game lead with 17 to go.

 

[Puddles]

Fact or Fiction: the movie Fever Pitch is largely responsible for destroying the goodwill that the entire nation outside of New York felt for the Red Sox in 2003-2004.

 

[JABEE]

Edit: I quoted EZnark from a month ago.

 

[Puddles]

Why? Kershaw has better stats... Not considerably, but better nonetheless.

ITT, only advanced stats matter.

 

[jman2050]

Fact or Fiction: the movie Fever Pitch is largely responsible for destroying the goodwill that the entire nation outside of New York felt for the Red Sox in 2003-2004.

I blame ESPN, Jonathon Papelbon, and Peter Gammons for that.

 

[MrOogieBoogie]

As a Yankees fan, this Red Sox/Rays ordeal is hilarious to me.

 

[Windu]

PS- If Boston continues to shit the bed, that would complete a collapse even worse than the Mets. Boston had an 8 game lead with 17 to go.

Braves were up 6.5 with 17 to go. Haha, suck it Mets!

ITT, only advanced stats matter.

well of course they matter more, they paint you a better picture on who was the better player.

 

[Celsior]

YES

Fact or Fiction: the movie Fever Pitch is largely responsible for destroying the goodwill that the entire nation outside of New York felt for the Red Sox in 2003-2004.

God how did that movie get approved.

 

[Doytch]

Some of Kershaw's stats are better, some are worse. This is ultimately a call of what you like more in a pitcher, or whether you just want to look at some flavour of WAR and slavishly follow it even though the difference is within the error bars. I mean, their SIERAs are both 2.6. Who gives a shit about the last decimal point, it's meaningless.

Sexy motherfucking Ks: Kershaw
Dat K:BB: Halladay

I don't really give a damn about the Cy Young this year, whoever wins it deserves it. I do know that if I'm choosing between who to watch, it's Kershaw. But only because of Vin Scully.

 

[cashman]

 

[Windu]

Some of Kershaw's stats are better, some are worse. This is ultimately a call of what you like more in a pitcher, or whether you just want to look at some flavour of WAR and slavishly follow it even though the difference is within the error bars.

Sexy motherfucking Ks: Kershaw
Dat K:BB: Halladay

I don't really give a damn about the Cy Young this year, whoever wins it deserves it. I do know that if I'm choosing between who to watch, it's Kershaw. But only because of Vin Scully.

yeah its close, but just about just about every stat points toward halladay, so i'll give him the edge. FIP is the big difference, that is why the fangraphs WAR is so different though.

 

[Maxim726X]

Some of Kershaw's stats are better, some are worse. This is ultimately a call of what you like more in a pitcher, or whether you just want to look at some flavour of WAR and slavishly follow it even though the difference is within the error bars. I mean, their SIERAs are both 2.6. Who gives a shit about the last decimal point, it's meaningless.

Sexy motherfucking Ks: Kershaw
Dat K:BB: Halladay

I don't really give a damn about the Cy Young this year, whoever wins it deserves it. I do know that if I'm choosing between who to watch, it's Kershaw. But only because of Vin Scully.

Yeah that's true didn't look at the K/BB ratio.

Damn, it really is close.

 

[Y2Kev]

why would he do that? geeze.

 

[jman2050]

Swisher probably could've parked under that ball. Or at least not play it into a triple.

Lock this down Nova.

 

[Doytch]

 

[Windu]

perfect

 

[Y2Kev]

"Not giving an inch"

lol

 

[Doytch]

yeah its close, but just about just about every stat points toward halladay, so i'll give him the edge. FIP is the big difference, that is why the fangraphs WAR is so different though.

Yeah but I really dislike FIP and xFIP for analysis; they strip out way too much. FIP is a really fun equation, in that it really does a great job considering how simple it is, and how much consternation it can create for a first time viewer (like it did for me), but I don't really buy it as a true evaluation of talent.

 

[cashman]

I'd give it to Halliday solely based on the fact that he's having that kind of year at Citizens Bank park

 

[hemtae]

PS- If Boston continues to shit the bed, that would complete a collapse even worse than the Mets. Boston had an 8 game lead with 17 to go.

Uh no? We had like a 4 game lead with 17 to go

 

[captmcblack]

lmao, where is this gif from?

Also, any goodwill the Red Sox had was generated specifically from 2004 - and died right after 2007. Papeldouche, Varitek, Big Papi's ongoing personal steroid investigation (as soon as he finds out how he got caught, he'll let us know!), Hamburger Curt, ESPN...and yeah, Fever Pitch probably ruined everything.

...but it's all good; everyone still hates the Yankees, since they're the Yankees.

[EDIT: Also, the Mets collapse, now and forever, will be the worst of all-time. Mets-Age, you will never escape that shit - stop trying.]

 

[Malo]

I'd give it to Halladay as well, but if they gave it to Kershaw it wouldn't be a big deal.

 

[Windu]

Yeah but I really dislike FIP and xFIP for analysis; they strip out way too much. FIP is a really fun equation, in that it really does a great job considering how simple it is, and how much consternation it can create for a first time viewer (like it did for me), but I don't really buy it as a true evaluation of talent.

can't wait till Fangraphs changes to something other than FIP for fWAR. Seems like they prefer it for now though.

 

[darkside31337]

[EDIT: Also, the Mets collapse, now and forever, will be the worst of all-time. Mets-Age, you will never escape that shit - stop trying.]

9 game lead. Rays didn't even play that well to earn this playoff spot they are destined to get now. Phillies actually earned it.

 

[Windu]

9 game lead. Rays didn't even play that well to earn this playoff spot they are destined to get now. Phillies actually earned it.

i thought it was 7 with 17.

 

[hemtae]

i thought it was 7 with 17.

He's talking about the Red Sox at the start of September

 

[Y2Kev]

Please get someone up. I want to crush them today.

 

[Windu]

He's talking about the Red Sox at the start of September

ah ok

 

[ConradCervantes]

Kershaw is taking the trophy home, I don't see them not giving a Triple Crown winner a Cy Young award.

 

[Doytch]

can't wait till Fangraphs changes to something other than FIP for fWAR. Seems like they prefer it for now though.

Yeah, though I'm kind of starting to distrust WAR for pitchers. For example, is 99 IP of 0.00 ERA + 99 IP of 6.00 ERA equivalently valuable as 198 IP of 3.00 ERA?

And they never capture matchup data. A top-reliever (Clippard/Venters, not a closer) is gonna be brought in against the top batters because that's where he's most valuable. The stats he puts up are against top hitters, whereas a scrub reliever may not be. Even if they end up with the same stats, the top-reliever is still better because he did against better players. There are no adjustments for this.

 

[Sharp]

Yeah, though I'm kind of starting to distrust WAR for pitchers. For example, is 99 IP of 0.00 ERA + 99 IP of 6.00 ERA equivalently valuable as 198 IP of 3.00 ERA? I'm not so sure...

That's what WPA is for.

 

[Y2Kev]

goddamn lazy cano

 

[Sanjuro]

Hey, they can do things.

 

[Sharp]

goddamn lazy cano

Cannon of an arm

 

[Doytch]

That's what WPA is for.

Then you're giving them credit where they don't deserve it. If you're facing Lackey, why are you as a pitcher penalized when your team just lights him up and trashes the leverage index?

Basically, the whole system is imprecise. People (cough, Fangraphs writers) need to remember that.

 

[Windu]

lol dumbass

lucky bounce though

 

[Y2Kev]

FUCK YOU YOU SHITTY FUCKING RUNT

 

[Sharp]

Then you're giving them credit where they don't deserve it. If you're facing Lackey, why are you as a pitcher penalized when your team just lights him up and trashes the leverage index?

WPA/LI.

 

[Sanjuro]

 

[Malo]

That leap lol

 

[cashman]

lmao, where is this gif from?

Dancing Ron Washington from Fan appreciation day today. The in the stands reporter for the Rangers is fucking awesome. The sendoff he got was fucking legendary, I'll try to find the gif of that.

 

[A Black Falcon]

3-2 now... we still have a chance...

 

[darkside31337]

3-2 now... we still have a chance...

Time for John Lackey to do his thing.

 

[Sanjuro]

That is the fastest I have ever seen Lackey move.

EDIT: ...that was a mid-air butt tag.

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

out Dustin!

 

[Doytch]

WPA/LI.

Fantastic stat for batting. Doesn't it credit a pitcher the same for a strike-out as a fly-ball that was caught with a diving catch by Ellsbury?

 

[Malo]

That is the fastest I have ever seen Lackey move.

EDIT: ...that was a mid-air butt tag.

Seemed like more than buttocks.

 

[Maxim726X]

Uh no? We had like a 4 game lead with 17 to go

17 games ago, Boston's (85-56) lead on Tampa (77-64) was exactly 8 games.

Yeah, about that.