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[A Black Falcon]

Yes! Maybe we should have gone with Lavarnway sooner... of course though, they'd been saying that Lavarnway was a major league ready hitter, but maybe not catcher. He's doing okay catching so far, though.

I agree that if the Red Sox choke Ellsbury really shouldn't win the award. It's kind of embarrassing.

That's absurd. Even while the entire team has been collapsing around him, yesterday aside Ellsbury has been the one player still playing great, and that counts for a lot. And remember, the MVP is an individual award, not a team one!

I agree with this. But Ellsbury's MVPness is based on the narrative that he's saved the Red Sox season which would be the truth if they get in. If they don't get in then what exactly has he saved?

Either way Bautista should win the award.

His MVPness is based on his great season, not just how he's doing so well while the rest of the team is falling apart. Ellsbury-as-MVP talk started long, long before September, after all.

 

[Enron]

Fuck you Derek Lowe you fucking shitfuck. I hope I never see you again in a Braves uni.

 

[Mr. Enigma]

Whoever made the decision to start Derek Lowe in this game should no longer have a job.

 

[eznark]

Bautista has been the better player this year. He should win the award regardless. That was my point.

Right after your "if they don't make the playoffs Ellsbury isn't worthy of an MVP" point.

Ya, I read it. You must be baseball beat writer with that sound logic.

 

[Sanjuro]

Sanjuro - I'm not with you on Elsbury or your Boston love, but spectacular job with that jab!

Granderson is Lex Luger yo - the total package!

Well maybe if most of your Yankee blowhards weren't purposely trying to be annoying. Normally I praise Granderson and is one of my favorite players for the team. If I had to choose though, Ellsbury just does more. Better stealer, better hitter, better defender. Simple as that. Argument should be Crawford vs. Granderson just to make him look that much worse.

 

[Jubs]

Man, whatever. I'm rooting for Tampa and the D-Backs.

 

[Sanjuro]

Fuck you Derek Lowe you fucking shitfuck. I hope I never see you again in a Braves uni.

I think he will still keep the uniform. Try to argue with the police that he is on reservation land while he is drunk beating his wife.

 

[Windu]

I think he will still keep the uniform. Try to argue with the police that he is on reservation land while he is drunk beating his wife.

lol

 

[darkside31337]

Right after your "if they don't make the playoffs Ellsbury isn't worthy of an MVP" point.

Ya, I read it. You must be baseball beat writer with that sound logic.

Bautista > Ellsbury.

Red Sox get in the playoffs, he saved the season, narrative wins him the award even though Bautista had the better year.

Red Sox don't get in the playoffs, he didn't save anything, he had a worse season than Bautista. Bautista wins it.

 

[Sanjuro]

Why do you always bring up the Lakers? I'm not even a Lakers fan, I just like Kobe so I route for the Lakers in the West. I barely even follow basketball.

A. You make foolish statements which indicate you don't follow baseball much.

B. People who root for Lakers/Yankees are usually a good indicator that "A" will be a problem before they even open their mouth.

 

[eznark]

Bautista > Ellsbury.

Red Sox get in the playoffs, he saved the season, narrative wins him the award even though Bautista had the better year.

Red Sox don't get in the playoffs, he didn't save anything, he had a worse season than Bautista. Bautista wins it.

Yeah, that's like the third time you've said this. If Ellsbury doesn't make the playoffs the award should go to a guy who didn't make the playoffs. Crystal clear.

 

[Windu]

yep, go astros.

 

[weekend_warrior]

Wieters!

 

[smokeandmirrors]

Hunter Pence ladies and gents

 

[darkside31337]

Yeah, that's like the third time you've said this. If Ellsbury doesn't make the playoffs the award should go to a guy who didn't make the playoffs. Crystal clear.

I have to say it 3 times because you lack any kind of reading comprehension.

The two players have been pretty equal, Bautista has a slight lead.

If Ellsbury gets the Red Sox into the playoffs then he wins the award BECAUSE they made the playoffs.

If the Red Sox don't get into the playoffs then the guy who was statistically better should win the award, and that guy is Bautista.

 

[Windu]

I have to say it 3 times because you lack any kind of reading comprehension.

The two players have been pretty equal, Bautista has a slight lead.

If Ellsbury gets the Red Sox into the playoffs then he wins the award BECAUSE they made the playoffs.

If the Red Sox don't get into the playoffs then the guy who was statistically better should win the award, and that guy is Bautista.

team accomplishment should have nothing to do with a individual award

 

[weekend_warrior]

A. You make foolish statements which indicate you don't follow baseball much.

B. People who root for Lakers/Yankees are usually a good indicator that "A" will be a problem before they even open their mouth.

Gotcha, people who like teams that you hate are stupid. Thanks for clarifying.

 

[darkside31337]

team accomplishment should have nothing to do with a individual award

I'm trying to justify why Ellsbury should win MVP. It's a decent enough reason. Logically the award should go to Bautista.

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

Well maybe if most of your Yankee blowhards weren't purposely trying to be annoying. Normally I praise Granderson and is one of my favorite players for the team. If I had to choose though, Ellsbury just does more. Better stealer, better hitter, better defender. Simple as that. Argument should be Crawford vs. Granderson just to make him look that much worse.

boo-hoo....

 

[Windu]

Astros 1-0. /cheer

I'm trying to justify why Ellsbury should win MVP. It's a decent enough reason. Logically the award should go to Bautista.

if he is a better player then sure give it to him, but not because his team made the damn playoffs. So no, its not a decent reason.

 

[Sanjuro]

Gotcha, people who like teams that you hate are stupid. Thanks for clarifying.

I don't I hate either one of those teams, but whatever floats your boat.

 

[eznark]

I have to say it 3 times because you lack any kind of reading comprehension.

The two players have been pretty equal, Bautista has a slight lead.

If Ellsbury gets the Red Sox into the playoffs then he wins the award BECAUSE they made the playoffs.

If the Red Sox don't get into the playoffs then the guy who was statistically better should win the award, and that guy is Bautista.

Right. You are deciding an individual award based on the outcome of the team sport, despite there being fairly reliable methods of comparing individuals on their own. That you are willing to give the award to one guy over the other based on them being demonstrably identical in one category (i.e., missing the playoffs) is highly entertaining.

Oh man, Bedard falling apart. Really gonna hurt Jacoby's mvp chances.

 

[weekend_warrior]

team accomplishment should have nothing to do with a individual award

Most Valuable Player. Some people think that a player who helps his team into the playoffs is more valuable then a player who doesn't. Assuming of course that the stats are pretty equal.

 

[Y2Kev]

I'm pulling out the banstick if yall don't simmer down now

 

[Sanjuro]

I still don't understand why nobody else can patent that cyborg body Halladay is inside of.

 

[Duki]

come on aceves

youre good for a few runs buddy you can do it

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

Bautista > Ellsbury.

Red Sox get in the playoffs, he saved the season, narrative wins him the award even though Bautista had the better year.

Red Sox don't get in the playoffs, he didn't save anything, he had a worse season than Bautista. Bautista wins it.

This definition "Most Valuable" is like a high school yearbook superlatives contest. It adds an arbitrary condition (the team's performance) to an individual performance award. "Best Player On A Good Team"? Who cares? Why don't we have performance awards with other factors no one gives a shit about? Best Player On A Bad Team! Best Player With The Funniest Laugh!

Don't we really just care who the Best Player is?

 

[Windu]

Most Valuable Player. Some people think that a player who helps his team into the playoffs is more valuable then a player who doesn't. Assuming of course that the stats are pretty equal.

Its not the Most Valuable to his team award, its the Most Valuable Award. Aka, the best player, because he is the most valuable. If someone puts up better numbers, and you swapped him with a player with lesser numbers, the player with the better numbers would be more valuable because the team would be better.

 

[eznark]

Who cares. At least we can all agree Ryan Braun is the clear choice for NL MVP.

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

LET'S GO ORIOLES!!! *CLAP-CLAP-CLAP-CLAP-CLAP*

Bedard was an Oriole at one point right?

 

[darkside31337]

What are the Yankees doing?

Traitors.

 

[Sanjuro]

Who cares. At least we can all agree Ryan Braun is the clear choice for NL MVP.

Clear choice for spokesman for Clearasil. Gotta remove that ass acne from those "B12" shots. amidoingthisright?

 

[eznark]

Clear choice for spokesman for Clearasil. Gotta remove that ass acne from those "B12" shots. amidoingthisright?

A for Antisemitism

 

[Fatalah]

LET'S GO ORIOLES!!! *CLAP-CLAP-CLAP-CLAP-CLAP*

Bedard was an Oriole at one point right?

He was a huge name prospect for the O's just a few years ago. I remember every team wanted him, even the Mentos were shopping around for him.

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

Yankees what are you doing!>??!?!

 

[Y2Kev]

WHAT ARE YOU DOING

 

[The Outsider]

Oh man, Braves are terribad.

Astros are our only hope.

 

[darkside31337]

Brett Gardner is no longer my favorite Yankee. Damn turncoat.

 

[eznark]

Average runs scored per game for the Braves in September?

 

[captmcblack]

It's okay, guys...it's gonna be just like yesterday. 2 runs or so, and that's it. We're waiting for the Orioles before we tank proper.

 

[A Black Falcon]

Well the umps blew that call, Ellsbury was safe.

 

[The Outsider]

Average runs scored per game for the Braves in September?

Probably somewhere in the negatives.

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

ok, ok at least they got the double play. it's tied, it's good.

 

[Windu]

Average runs scored per game for the Braves in September?

3.32

 

[Sanjuro]

Well the umps blew that call, Ellsbury was safe.

MLB doing everything they can to get Florida in the postseason.

 

[Fatalah]

One last note about Granderson -- he practically carried the Yankees offense through the summer and somehow has the entire fanbase overlooking A-Rod's lackluster year. New Yorkers taking it easy on our special 10-year-$275-million-dollar man? That deserves an award in itself.

Granderson with the SUPLEX!

 

[darkside31337]

Chris Parmelee has played in 20 games this year. He has 4 HRs. That's good for 5th on the Twins. For the entire season.

Twins beisbol.

 

[JABEE]

Ouch

 

[eznark]

3.32

I am genuinely surprised it is that high. I would have guessed 2.6-2.75 or so.

 

[weekend_warrior]

Its not the Most Valuable to his team award, its the Most Valuable Award. Aka, the best player, because he is the most valuable. If someone puts up better numbers, and you swapped him with a player with lesser numbers, the player with the better numbers would be more valuable because the team would be better.

It's not the "best player award", it's the "most valuable player award". What value does a player on a non-playoff team have? If you took Ellsbury and put him on the Astros what value would he have? The Astros might win a few more games, but they wouldn't make the playoffs. But if you took Ellsbury off the Red Sox they wouldn't have a chance for the playoffs right now. He's far more valuable because he's the difference between playoffs/ no playoffs.

You can make the argument all you want for a "best player award" but the MVP has always been heavily favored towards the players that make the playoffs.