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Official April 2008 NPD thread of massive disappointment if you're not Nintendo
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AlternativeUlster
Absolutely pathetic part deux
I really hope 100 dollar price cuts are in the future of both of the consoles. Hell, both need to drop to the 200 dollars.
_Alkaline_
Member
Bastion said:
:lol :lol :lol
You do realise the Wii is new tech too? Ever heard of the remote? It's only like, one of the greatest risks a console manufacturer has taken in the last decade.
There's more to innovating and expanding gaming than just beefing up the horsepower.
Vyer said:
Hey, I am just representing myself, no one else. Never said I was.
Wow, I have and have played every game you also mentioned in your paragraph. I also own pretty much every major system made since the late 70's so I do feel like I have the right to share my opinion in a country that protects free speech. The Wii is the first and only system I have problems with for what it represents to me: the end of gaming as I know it.
I am being selfish, I know that and I guess I don't care that I am.
Deadly Monk
Banned
I wish Sega would release a new console and blow us all away.
Rhazer Fusion
Member
_Alkaline_ said:
I really don't think he is trolling. He is just saying, why would say, Microsoft want to invest millions or billions into a techically advanced next generation console when they might think it is more beneficial to them financially in creating a console with similar capabilities to their current generation with motion sensor controls? Coincidentally enough, there is a rumor that Microsoft has a motion controller in the works. I am pretty sure he is saying, not everyone wants to embrace motion controlled games and prefer traditional games and controls instead, that's all. I know HD games and traditional games are still there and will be around for a little while longer, but he is probably a tad concerned about the next generation, especially with the cost of development increasing on a weekly basis.
_Alkaline_
Member
soldat7 said:
Okami =/ great third party support.
Count Dookkake
Member
MisterHero said:
I've said a variation of this in several threads over the lifetime of the Wii.
Wii's success is the thing that will stop Jack Thompson and his ilk from ever getting airtime in the future. Once the mothers of America understand that there are genres in games, it will be very hard for "gaming is murder simulation" memes to survive.
The hardly-cores should be thanking Nintendo for giving them breathing room.
MisterHero said:
The Arcade SKU retails for $30 more -- of course, you're acting like hard drive space is terribly expensive nowadays and accounts for the added costs when the 360 has a much more powerful CPU and the GPU is really beyond comparison to Hollywood.
As for their money, this is EXACTLY the type of stuff Nintendo should spend their money on. How the fuck are sensible storage solutions and a competent online service wasted money?
CassidyIzABeast
Member
Epic fail microsoft, slightly less epic fail for sony considering the userbase size, wii sensor bar produces mind control waves confirmed.
ShockingAlberto
Member
It'll pass.soldat7 said:
either one of three things has to be true:Bastion said:
you are lying about having played all the great Wii games you claim are insignificant.
your taste is atrocious.
you are massively overstating your belief in an attempt to fight an uphill argument.
I'm not saying the Wii doesn't have a bunch of cheap cash in ports and shovelware out for it... but to argue that the Wii is killing games when arguably some of the best core games this gen are available exclusively on it just seems kind of.. umm.. retarded?
ShockingAlberto said:
In fact, using his logic, one could always argue that all games should be made for 100,000 dollar PCs, whatever that happens to buy you at the time. Not only would that provide greater graphical fidelity, but would allow you a greater variety of control options (as the PC can easily be compatible with Keyboards, Mice, Wii Motes, and Traditional Controllers). You can even hook modern PCs up to your 70" plasma TV and 10000 7.1 surround sound system.
Every single game should be built for a system 10x as powerful as a "Crysis on very high" machine, or it isn't fulfilling its true potential.
The month of May will be interesting. I agree that any "hardware bump" for GTAIV won't necessarily be limited to the first week of release, but you'd think that the major part of the bump would be over. GTAIV's power to sell systems was never a sure thing in any case, since the series enjoyed its greatest success when the PS2 userbase was already established for it...some games truly are "system sellers", but it's hard to figure out which.
I do think that exclusives have a better chance of selling systems than multiplat games...which is why it's bad for Microsoft and Sony (but better for publishers) that so many games are going multiplat PS3/360 these days. Wii actually does get a lot of "exclusives", but many are not the types of games GAF generally cares about.
For May, I do expect Wii Fit to be a system seller and to draw in new buyers...again, I have to give it to Nintendo's marketing department for their efforts to get Wii Fit into the mainstream media. The #1 most emailed story on the New York Times website is their "review" of Wii Fit (they basically had 4 different non-gamers try it out and give their thoughts on it; pretty much all impressions were positive). I guess this should go in a Wii Fit Official Thread, if there is one...but I think it's a reflection on the sales impact it could have among mainstream consumers.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/15/fashion/15fitness.html
I do think that exclusives have a better chance of selling systems than multiplat games...which is why it's bad for Microsoft and Sony (but better for publishers) that so many games are going multiplat PS3/360 these days. Wii actually does get a lot of "exclusives", but many are not the types of games GAF generally cares about.
For May, I do expect Wii Fit to be a system seller and to draw in new buyers...again, I have to give it to Nintendo's marketing department for their efforts to get Wii Fit into the mainstream media. The #1 most emailed story on the New York Times website is their "review" of Wii Fit (they basically had 4 different non-gamers try it out and give their thoughts on it; pretty much all impressions were positive). I guess this should go in a Wii Fit Official Thread, if there is one...but I think it's a reflection on the sales impact it could have among mainstream consumers.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/15/fashion/15fitness.html
Colonel Mustard
Banned
Get the fuck over yourself dude. Seriously.Concept17 said:
Did anyone post this yet?
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=18679
"Following today's release of NPD sales data for April, which showed Grand Theft Auto IV and Mario Kart Wii top the software charts as expected while Wii and Nintendo DS held on firmly to the top hardware slots, Gamasutra caught up with Microsoft product management director Aaron Greenberg to get his take.
Greenberg gave his thoughts on Xbox 360 and PS3's neck-and-neck sales rate, Wii's near-match of 360's total U.S. sales, how 2008 will be the industry's best year ever, and why he believes Sony is mistaken when it comes to European sales figures and whether GTA4's planned downloadable content will remain 360-exclusive."
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=18679
"Following today's release of NPD sales data for April, which showed Grand Theft Auto IV and Mario Kart Wii top the software charts as expected while Wii and Nintendo DS held on firmly to the top hardware slots, Gamasutra caught up with Microsoft product management director Aaron Greenberg to get his take.
Greenberg gave his thoughts on Xbox 360 and PS3's neck-and-neck sales rate, Wii's near-match of 360's total U.S. sales, how 2008 will be the industry's best year ever, and why he believes Sony is mistaken when it comes to European sales figures and whether GTA4's planned downloadable content will remain 360-exclusive."
DeaconKnowledge
Member
Why are people expecting The Wii to do for Okami what the PS2 couldn't? Not all good games (and Okami has never been as good as billed) sell well.
MisterHero
Super Member
You're still missing the point.Tristam said:
It's not what the 'hardcore-fan' thinks, the company KNOWS what they are doing is not good for them and how will they capitalize on their "success" if they have no money to do it with?
_Alkaline_
Member
Bastion said:
On this day, GAF reached a new low.
sonycowboy
Member
MisterHero said:
While expectations for GTA IV weren't met, and HW sales saw NO boost from the title, this is getting a bit ridiculous.
GTA: SA sold 2.05M units it's first month. GTA IV sold 2.85M in it's first month - IN APRIL
Halo 2 sold ~3.3M in it's first month. Halo 3 sold 3.3M in it's first month.
I suppose it's possible people were claiming that GTA was "diminishing" back then, but I doubt it.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
Something just occurred to me, but if GTAIV 'only' sold 1 million on PS3 in April, the likes of Haze and yes, even MGS4, are going to disappoint a lot of people when the first month numbers come in.
MS was foolish to not drop the price in front of the game's release. Their little tit for tat games with Sony are causing them to lose sight of the big picture. There will be considerable fallout if the Wii passes the 360's install base in the US next month and they don't respond at all.
The premium should be on the better side of $250 this Christmas. Scratch that, it should be $199 or less 3 years after f'n launch, but I think $249 would do a lot to stem the bleeding.
It's obvious that the Arcade was a failed experiment.
MS was foolish to not drop the price in front of the game's release. Their little tit for tat games with Sony are causing them to lose sight of the big picture. There will be considerable fallout if the Wii passes the 360's install base in the US next month and they don't respond at all.
The premium should be on the better side of $250 this Christmas. Scratch that, it should be $199 or less 3 years after f'n launch, but I think $249 would do a lot to stem the bleeding.
It's obvious that the Arcade was a failed experiment.
Version 3.0
Member
soldat7 said:
I bought Okami. Twice.
Now can I bitch about the lack of 3rd-party games on the Wii? Jeez.
For the record, though, there are a fair amount of decent 3rd-party games on the Wii. Way too many people around here think games are only good if they're "main" games in big, established franchises. Admittedly, you'd think the Wii would get more of those, or more of an effort to create new blockbuster franchises. But, hey, publishers are scared, slow to react, and a lot of them just believe the same bullshit that people are spewing around this thread.
So they keep making PS3/360 games. So be it. There's plenty of money to be had there, too.