Official bitching about Hudson abandoning VC support. [VC/WiiWare = lost cause]

beelzebozo said:
i misjudged donkey kong country 2. i have conflated it with my poor memories of dkc1, thinking it of equal middling quality. replaying it now, diddy's quite a bit more agile and responsive than i remembered, and there are lots of cool things to collect and secrets to find. recommended.
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DKC2: Best SNES game, best 16-bit game, best platformer of all time. :bow
 
tim1138 said:
Actually based off your recommendation in this thread I picked up Wonder Boy over Adventure Island (I had played AI on NES but really had no real sense of nostolgia for it) and technically I'm amazed at what the Master System could do. Growing up I had a NES and didn't no anyone with a SMS so this is my first experience with the console and its games. Any other recommendations that should pop up on VC?
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Some favorites of mine from the past:

Miracle Warriors (early jrpg)
Phantasy Star
Zillion and Zillion 2 (both pretty drastically different games, but both good)
Alex Kidd (particularly Miracle World and Shinobi World)
Fantasy Zone 1 & 2
Wonder Boy in Monster Land
Psycho Fox

That is not to say these were the only good games out for the system. Not by a long shot. However, most of the other good games out for the system fall into one of several categories:

1) arcade ports of which there are better versions out
2) genesis ports/conversions of which there are better versions out
3) light gun games with no inclusion for d-pad use

The SMS is unfortunately one of those systems where it was TOTALLY worth it at the time to own, because you got fun as hell Sega arcade ports and great light gun games, but as time went on and better versions of its games became available its usefulness dropped considerably. a great example is Altered Beast. We had a ton of fun with it when it was released on the SMS, but when the Genesis launched it made the SMS version moot. Hang-on->Super Hang-on is another such example.
 
borghe said:
Some favorites of mine from the past:

Miracle Warriors (early jrpg)
Phantasy Star
Zillion and Zillion 2 (both pretty drastically different games, but both good)
Alex Kidd (particularly Miracle World and Shinobi World)
Fantasy Zone 1 & 2
Wonder Boy in Monster Land
Psycho Fox

That is not to say these were the only good games out for the system. Not by a long shot. However, most of the other good games out for the system fall into one of several categories:

1) arcade ports of which there are better versions out
2) genesis ports/conversions of which there are better versions out
3) light gun games with no inclusion for d-pad use

The SMS is unfortunately one of those systems where it was TOTALLY worth it at the time to own, because you got fun as hell Sega arcade ports and great light gun games, but as time went on and better versions of its games became available its usefulness dropped considerably.
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Awesome I will definitely be on the lookout for those as they hit VC.
 
tim1138 said:
Sonic 2 was a SMS game, I always thought that was on Genesis? I have that on the Sonic Mega Collection for GCN. Hopefully they put up the Alex Kidd games, and I've yet to purchase any of the other Wonder Boy games for TG-16. Thanks for the recommondations though! Oh, was the SMS Ninja Gaiden based off the original arcade game?
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The 8-bit Sonic games were actually completely different titles that just shared the same names initially. The Game Gear versions all came out in the US, Europe, and Japan, but due to the system's failure in the US and Japan, the SMS versions mostly didn't.

The SMS versions are usually a bit better due to greater draw distances, though after Sonic 2 the GG became the clear primary platform; Sonic 2 is the worst of them draw distance wise on the GG, I think.

Sonic the Hedgehog (SMS/GG) (SMS: US/EU only)
Sonic the Hedgehog 2 (SMS/GG) (SMS: EU only)
Sonic Triple Trouble (GG)
Sonic Chaos (SMS/GG) (SMS: EU/Brazil only)
Tails' Adventure (GG)
Sonic Blast (SMS/GG) (SMS: Brazil only)

cartman414 said:
The only VRC chips with sound hardware were 6 and 7. 6 was used by Akumajou Densetsu, Madara and Esper Dream 2. 7, which included an FM chip, was used by Lagrange Point and Tiny Toon Adventures 2, but the latter didn't use the special sound.
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I noticed that. The biggest loss is obviously the extra FDS sound (that if you attach an FDS to your NES you won't get the extra sound)... other than that, there seem to be not too many games that use it. Lagrange Point, Esper Dream 2, Madara... RPGs, not in English. You'd need to know Japanese to care.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-Memory_Controller#VRC6
http://nesdevwiki.org/index.php/Main_Page

Looking at that list though, some other mappers (from other developers) are listed as having added sound features. The Nintendo MMC5, Namco 106, and a Sunsoft chip are listed as adding sound features too.

The Wikipedia page lists some games that use each mapper, but not all in every case... I can find a list of games that include the mappers they used, but that doesn't tell you whether the game in question actually used that mapper's additional sound features. That list has a whole bunch more games using the Namco 106 in Japan than Wikipedia's page lists, for instance, but do they use the sound features?

Of the ones they do list, many of the MMC5 games, Rolling Thunder, and Mr. Gimmick/Gimmick (EU only) came out here with, I would assume, worse sound.

Rolling Thunder was released unlicensed by Tengen in the US, but for this (sound difference) that shouldn't matter.

Yeah. Apparently they didn't want to spend the extra money to convert Gradius II over to MMCx format. Crisis Force had the added stigma of arriving as the SNES generation came underway.

At least we got Salamander/Life Force, even though the option max per ship was taken down from 3 to 2.
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True, but Gradius II and Crisis Force were better than Life Force, really, though that is a good game too... but I'd have rather gotten Gradius II than Life Force.

As for Crisis Force, that was 1991 game, but the NES and Famicom really had about the same end, given that both had their last releases in 1994. And I'd think that the 1991 NES was in better shape than the 1991 Famicom, given that the SNES just came out that year while the SFC had come out in 1990... oh well.

webrunner said:
One has to wonder.. why isn't their pointer support for light gun games.
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The same reason that Mario Kart 64, Cruis'n USA, etc, don't support their controller pak saving options:

Laziness. They just don't care.
 
Right, I've just bought 5000 Wii Points.

What should I get?

I've already bought (with old Wii Points, I've got 5000 brand spanking new ones):
Mario Bros, Dungeon Explorer, Super Mario Bros, Excitebike, Bomberman, StarTropics, Super Metroid, Paper Mario and a tonne of other shit.
 
Neo Child said:
Right, I've just bought 5000 Wii Points.

What should I get?
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Donkey Kong Country 2, DoReMi Fantasy, Super Star Soldier, Neutopia II, Gunstar Heroes, Wonder Boy in Monster World/The Dynastic Hero, Adventures of Lolo. 5000 points exact, covers a huge range of genres with every game ranging from "great" to "classic."

Alternatively, wait for WiiWare. I've got 4000 points sitting around (plus a 2000 points card that I'm not sure if I'll use or resell) for just that reason, although I guess that tends to happen when I've already got 50 VC games.
 
A Black Falcon said:
True, but Gradius II and Crisis Force were better than Life Force, really, though that is a good game too... but I'd have rather gotten Gradius II than Life Force.
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I love Gradius II and Crisis Force. The former was more impressive than its successor in spite of being on an earlier generation of hardware. That said, I've found Life Force to be more impressive on a gameplay standpoint owing to its Gradius style methodical meets faster paced arcadey mechanics approach. It's both quick and satisfying, and the soundtrack is sublime.

As for Crisis Force, that was 1991 game, but the NES and Famicom really had about the same end, given that both had their last releases in 1994. And I'd think that the 1991 NES was in better shape than the 1991 Famicom, given that the SNES just came out that year while the SFC had come out in 1990... oh well.
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Yeah, pretty much what I said. But I guess they figured to concentrate on Gradius III, and later, Axelay, to satisfy the shmup fans.
 
Jiggy37 said:
Donkey Kong Country 2, DoReMi Fantasy, Super Star Soldier, Neutopia II, Gunstar Heroes, Wonder Boy in Monster World/The Dynastic Hero, Adventures of Lolo. 5000 points exact, covers a huge range of genres with every game ranging from "great" to "classic."

Alternatively, wait for WiiWare. I've got 4000 points sitting around (plus a 2000 points card that I'm not sure if I'll use or resell) for just that reason, although I guess that tends to happen when I've already got 50 VC games.
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I spent a good 10 minutes looking for DoReMi cause it looked awesome, but alas, I R EURO-PEON =[ . I wont spend it all at once as I want to wait for WiiWare, though I get paid end of April so I'll have a tonne more to spend.

On a side note - I didn't know you could purchase Wii Points via the Wii Shop Channel with a Visa Electron Debit Card, I thought it was only a Credit Card. Alas, it worked! And much quicker than buying Microsoft Points on the XBLA :D

Edit: I've got Super Star Soldier and Neutopia I, should I get Adventures of Lolo 1 or 2? I mean, apparently theyre both the same graphics/music/gameplay wise, just more puzzles.. :)

Also, is DKC2 > DKC1 AND DKC3?
 
Neo Child said:
Edit: I've got Super Star Soldier and Neutopia I, should I get Adventures of Lolo 1 or 2? I mean, apparently theyre both the same graphics/music/gameplay wise, just more puzzles.. :)
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Get the first Lolo. The second has a much rougher difficulty curve that really seems meant for people who already beat the first.

Also, is DKC2 > DKC1 AND DKC3?
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DKC2 is so, so superior to the others that you could cut out everything except any two of its worlds and it would still be greater than all of DKC1 and 3 put together.
 
Jiggy37 said:
Get the first Lolo. The second has a much rougher difficulty curve that really seems meant for people who already beat the first.
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Buy the way, have you ever beaten Lolo3 ? I'm still crying my mother with this one.
 
Am I right in saying there was a StarTropics 2?

Was it better than the original, worse, similar game yeh? I really love StarTropics - well worth the 500 points :D. Im totally getting my ass kicked in the 2nd dungeon after you ride the sub.
 
Neo Child said:
Am I right in saying there was a StarTropics 2?

Was it better than the original, worse, similar game yeh? I really love StarTropics - well worth the 500 points :D. Im totally getting my ass kicked in the 2nd dungeon after you ride the sub.
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Yes, there was a Startropics 2. It was called "Zoda's Revenge" and had similar gameplay to the original, except that you could move diagonally. The setting was also changed; instead of the island motif of the original, it had Mike travelling through time and completely messing up history while trying to stop Zoda.

I haven't personally played it, but it seems that the general concensus is that while it advances the gameplay in some ways, it's not as good as the original.
 
Thanks Iam Canadian. I just realised how you kill the 2nd dungeons boss, you have to
use the snowman you received in the chest to freeze time and
kill that motherlicker. I just kept hitting him whenever he got near with the baseball bat, lucky if I got 2 hits on him...
 
I don't quite get the constant Beetle Adventure Racing love, as I've said before in this thread. Oh, it was fun, but one of the system's best racing games? No way! It kind of felt like something halfway between Need for Speed and San Francisco Rush (2049), but better than NFS and not as good as Rush. Plus it had an incredibly annoying campaign where you had to play through all of the races in succession, a very difficult task. I don't know if I ever got to the sixth (final) track...

Really though... compared to F-Zero X, Wave Race 64, San Francisco Rush 2049, Extreme-G 1 or 2, Wipeout 64, Hydro Thunder, Mario Kart 64, etc... no way is it as good as those games. It's a fine B+ quality game, but the N64 is just so, so strong in the racing genre that that's only enough to put it somewhere on the list, not right near the top of it. Rush Lite? Why not just play the real thing?
 
Jiggy37 said:
I don't own it. Waiting for it to come to VC. :(
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Well, be sure to grab it when it pops out!

And jesus christ i hope you have some tick skull because YOU ARE going to hit your head on your living room wall.
 
Neo Child said:
Am I right in saying there was a StarTropics 2?

Was it better than the original, worse, similar game yeh? I really love StarTropics - well worth the 500 points :D. Im totally getting my ass kicked in the 2nd dungeon after you ride the sub.
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StarTropics was one of my favorite games for the NES. I found Zoda's Revenge to be a disappointment, although it's certainly not a terrible game. My main complaints are that the original hid its linearity better, had better puzzles, and a less disjointed story. I'm not entirely sure what went wrong - it just doesn't come together like the first one does. But, if you're enjoying the original as much as you say, you probably owe it to yourself to download the sequel and form your own opinion.
 
As superior as F-Zero GX is to X, I only just now realized how superior the music from X is compared to GX...I am thinking about buying F-Zero X for the incredible soundtrack alone.
 
jooey said:
between metal slug anthology, the kof orochi saga, the samurai shodown anthology and what's on VC now and possible in the future, I don't think there's much of a chance.
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Cool, Kof Anthology and SS anthology are coming to the Wii? Last chapters included?
 
A Black Falcon said:
I don't quite get the constant Beetle Adventure Racing love, as I've said before in this thread. Oh, it was fun, but one of the system's best racing games? No way! It kind of felt like something halfway between Need for Speed and San Francisco Rush (2049), but better than NFS and not as good as Rush. Plus it had an incredibly annoying campaign where you had to play through all of the races in succession, a very difficult task. I don't know if I ever got to the sixth (final) track...

Really though... compared to F-zero X, Wave Race 64, San Francisco Rush 2049, Extreme-G 1 or 2, Wipeout 64, Hydro Thunder, Mario Kart 64, etc... no way is it as good as those games. It's a fine B+ quality game, but the N64 is just so, so strong in the racing genre that that's only enough to put it somewhere on the list, not right near the top of it. Rush Lite? Why not just play the real thing?
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For me, the game had the best tracks in a racing game ever, the fact that each lap you took could have completely different scenery and difficulty than the last. It just felt very alive and open. Nothing beats driving down the aisles of a movie theater and crashing through the screen to land back on the road.

EDIT- While looking for some gameplay footage of BAR, I came across this gem- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEk9Y1fpeO8
 
Iam Canadian said:
Yes, there was a Startropics 2. It was called "Zoda's Revenge" and had similar gameplay to the original, except that you could move diagonally. The setting was also changed; instead of the island motif of the original, it had Mike travelling through time and completely messing up history while trying to stop Zoda.

I haven't personally played it, but it seems that the general concensus is that while it advances the gameplay in some ways, it's not as good as the original.
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It's a bit easier than the first. Most of the traps weren't as deadly and the puzzles were easier. Also, in Zoda's Revenge, you get several different permanent weapon ups, which makes things a lot easier, rather than the conditional ones in ST.

On the other hand, it is Mike Jones and I'm a sucker for time travel.
 
From Go Nintendo:

Nintendo Power is yet again polling its readers, this time asking what games subscribers would most like to see on the Virtual Console. They state that it will not determine future VC releases, but perhaps if there is enough interest on a certain title, Nintendo will put your favorite old-school title on the VC. Nintendo Power would like you to send up to five picks to vcpoll@futureus.com.

I hope NOA actually LISTEN to us. Im gonna vote Super Mario RPG Legend of the Severn Stars.

Im sure Earthbound will win tho. And it deserves to win :P
 
list I sent in

1. Earthbound
2. Phantasy Star
3. Mega Man 3
4. Phantasy Star IV
5. Super Mario RPG

Tried picking ones that I knew weren't already on the way (Ys I&II) and ones that stood some sort of chance of showing up (unlike say Quackshot, Castle of Illusion, Mickey Mania, etc).
 
I sent in:

Crusader of Centy
Lightening Force
Sengoku 3
Illusion of Gaia
Space Megaforce

That's not my top five most wanted or even close to it, really, but I was excluding stuff that I know is coming (Shining Force II, Final Soldier), stuff more or less guaranteed to be coming because their predecessors are there (Adventures of Lolo 3, Castlevania III), stuff in Japanese (Star Parodier, Magical Pop'n, Gotzendiener), stuff never released in America (Terranigma), stuff with DS ports/upgrades (Kirby Super Star), stuff that I trust will show up eventually whether anyone asks for it or not (Earthbound), stuff with licenses (TMNT IV: Turtles in Time), and stuff with bizarre ownership questions (Mischief Makers). If you put all those things aside, then the above would probably be my remaining top five.
 
Everyone needs to vote for Terranigma! Golvellius, Gargoye's Quest II, Crystalis, Faxanadu, Soul Blazer, Illusion of Gaia, Secret of Mana, Popful Mail, Monster Land and Crusader of Centy are all also acceptable. <3 <3
 
WiiRevolution1 said:
From Go Nintendo:

Nintendo Power is yet again polling its readers, this time asking what games subscribers would most like to see on the Virtual Console. They state that it will not determine future VC releases, but perhaps if there is enough interest on a certain title, Nintendo will put your favorite old-school title on the VC. Nintendo Power would like you to send up to five picks to vcpoll@futureus.com.

I hope NOA actually LISTEN to us. Im gonna vote Super Mario RPG Legend of the Severn Stars.

Im sure Earthbound will win tho. And it deserves to win :P
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I sent in 4:

Blaster Master (NES)
Beetle Adventure Racing (N64)
The Battle of Olympus (NES)
Pitfall 2 (Atari 5200 verison with extra world)
 
Jiggy37 said:
Gotzendiener
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But doesn't it have like two lines of Japanese (plus the main menu), and no text or voice acting ingame? I'd think it would work fine... the game concept sounds pretty awesome too.

And why not Terranigma... it did have a European release, after all.

As for a list... when you're dealing with so many old consoles, it's impossible to choose just a few games... I don't think I can.

I will say that I want Eliminate Down on VC, though. :)

BuddhaRockstar said:
For me, the game had the best tracks in a racing game ever, the fact that each lap you took could have completely different scenery and difficulty than the last. It just felt very alive and open. Nothing beats driving down the aisles of a movie theater and crashing through the screen to land back on the road.

EDIT- While looking for some gameplay footage of BAR, I came across this gem- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEk9Y1fpeO8
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Well yeah, that was pretty much my point: It's like Rush 2049, but not as good. (If you don't know what I mean, you haven't played a Rush game... SF Rush basically defined the whole "lots of shortcuts and giant gravity-defying jumps" style of racing.)

It's still a very good game, with good graphics and a lot of gameplay, but the N64 has a lot of other good racing games too.
 
WiiRevolution1 said:
From Go Nintendo:

Nintendo Power is yet again polling its readers, this time asking what games subscribers would most like to see on the Virtual Console. They state that it will not determine future VC releases, but perhaps if there is enough interest on a certain title, Nintendo will put your favorite old-school title on the VC. Nintendo Power would like you to send up to five picks to vcpoll@futureus.com.

I hope NOA actually LISTEN to us. Im gonna vote Super Mario RPG Legend of the Severn Stars.

Im sure Earthbound will win tho. And it deserves to win :P
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Five picks, huh? Wow, that's tough. I'm thinking of throwing in at least one Japanese version game in there to represent the desire for alternate region versions that were different from what we ended up getting. Namely Akumajou Densetsu, of course.

I'll only be avoiding anything Hudson, because they already listen to their fanbase.

Edit: Realized we're on page 404 of this thread, which made me think I was heading into an error page.
 
1: Herzog Zwei (Genesis)
2: Target Earth (Genesis)
3: River City Ransom (NES)
4: Pocky & Rocky (SNES)
5: WWF Wrestlemania 2000 / No Mercy - either is fine, really (N64)
 
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