Official bitching about Hudson abandoning VC support. [VC/WiiWare = lost cause]
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So I bought Pulseman this afternoon off the JPN Wii Store thanks to PepsimanVsJoe's and sfog's recommendations...wow, what an incredible game. It's difficult, but not frustratingly so. My only complaint thus far are how you can sometimes blindly jump onto an enemy and get hurt.
An added bonus is that Mega Drive games are 600 points in JPN versus 800 points for Genesis games in the U.S.
Keep any recommendations coming for JPN-only Virtual Console titles (English-friendly, too).
An added bonus is that Mega Drive games are 600 points in JPN versus 800 points for Genesis games in the U.S.
Keep any recommendations coming for JPN-only Virtual Console titles (English-friendly, too).
The biggest shame about Virtual Console is that it seems like it's either extremely popular games that just so happen to be good (but that you've most likely played, like all the fucking Mario shit) or it's complete and utter shit.
There were lots of games that I used to love that I know will never be on the VC:
Jaws
Bugs Bunny's Birthday Blowout
Little Nemo
A Boy and His Blob
Chip 'N Dale: Rescue Rangers
Cobra Triangle
Ducktales
Guerilla War
Iron Tank
Maniac Mansion
Mickey Mousecapade (Awesome game.)
Prisoners of War
R.C. Pro-Am
There were lots of games that I used to love that I know will never be on the VC:
Jaws
Bugs Bunny's Birthday Blowout
Little Nemo
A Boy and His Blob
Chip 'N Dale: Rescue Rangers
Cobra Triangle
Ducktales
Guerilla War
Iron Tank
Maniac Mansion
Mickey Mousecapade (Awesome game.)
Prisoners of War
R.C. Pro-Am
This is where VC actually shines for me. I would have never played some of these import titles or games I had never heard of like the Wonder Boy games, but VC and this thread gave me the chance to experience those. In addition, I was able to grab some games that I had played as a kid, but never managed to buy, like Kid Icarus and Punch-Out.Sharp said:
crowphoenix
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Cheesemeister said:
You are now cooler. And that's impressive since you were already cool. That's one of my favorite episodes.
evilromero
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I would at least like to see Nintendo release the rest of the highly acclaimed SNES and N64 games on the service- namely Pilotfuckingwings.
evilromero
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That'll come later for a massive day of disappointment.Odrion said:
cartman414
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sk3tch said:
Would Monster World IV be okay too? And how do you think I should try going about suggesting Japanese versions of domestically released games that lost stuff in the process?
cartman414
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sk3tch said:
Already mentioned it upthread, but... Akumajou Densetsu (Japanese version of CV3) for its superior music and more balanced enemy damage structure, Salamander (aka Life Force) for the ability to use 3 options instead of 2 and an actual, if minor, ending, and Gryzor (aka Contra) come to mind.
Edit: Good point about NP not being owned by Nintendo anymore. We'll still probably need other avenues to voice our wants for the future of the VC.
JohnTinker
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I have sooo many points stockpiled, and no games on the horizon that I'm willing to spend them on.
Get your act in gear, Nintendo.
Get your act in gear, Nintendo.
JohnTinker
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I hadn't thought of that before, and now I think I may actually spend it on WiiWareAniHawk said:
Conrad Link
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I tend to just add some points when I need them, we always know what games are coming out before they actually do.. I figured that was just standard practice. :\
But yeah I'm sure Nintendo is focusing on WiiWare at the moment, at least they're still releasing VC games each and every week - I don't really care if they turn out to be crap ones, still more interest and discussion than "Oh, no games this week." will ever get.
But yeah I'm sure Nintendo is focusing on WiiWare at the moment, at least they're still releasing VC games each and every week - I don't really care if they turn out to be crap ones, still more interest and discussion than "Oh, no games this week." will ever get.
cartman414
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sk3tch said:
The PC Engine version is based off the arcade version.
Edit: Almost forgot! The unreleased Famicom and Super Famicom Goemon games would also be great!
Iam Canadian
and have the worst user name EVER
*Sigh*
I...I can't even muster the will to disparage this update. A disillusioned sigh will cover it, I think.
I'll never give up the hope for Earthbound. Never. It's coming.
This is where I say "BELIEVE".
I...I can't even muster the will to disparage this update. A disillusioned sigh will cover it, I think.
EvilMario said:
I'll never give up the hope for Earthbound. Never. It's coming.
This is where I say "BELIEVE".
Conrad Link
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Earthbound will come out eventually probably, unless theres some licensing or whatever issue Nintendo can't be bothered sorting out.
The others? Yeah I doubt it. If they can't be bothered making the small effort it would take to get Earthbound released they're so not translate Mother 3 or fixing up (does it need any tweaking?) the beta English 1.
Gotta keep nagging them about it though, maybe they'll cave. :lol
;(
The others? Yeah I doubt it. If they can't be bothered making the small effort it would take to get Earthbound released they're so not translate Mother 3 or fixing up (does it need any tweaking?) the beta English 1.
Gotta keep nagging them about it though, maybe they'll cave. :lol
;(
I literally had just started buying 3000 points at a time instead of 1000 (due to the redundancy of typing in information every time) right before the VC releases slowed down. At that time I thought, Well, they may have slowed down in quantity, but at least the quality is still there, so I'll stick to this policy of 3000 points at a time. And then the quality went down too. :/Conrad Link said:
On the bright side, I'm genuinely interested in a great number of WiiWare titles and would have been even if not for VC sucking it up lately, so at the very least I'll be able to use these points by May. But I shouldn't have to wait that long. :/ I've bought five VC games since 2008 began--a significant drop from 2007, where I averaged exactly three per month, with 36 games bought that year.
What in the world is going on over there at Nintendo? If they're having issues bringing publishers on board, they could say so. If they think that three releases per week is unsustainable, they could say that. I'd disagree with the latter as a good reason to slow down, though, but hearing their reasoning would be a lot better than continuing to not hear it.
A Link to the Past
Banned
Mother fuckers.
Not you guys, Nintendo.
I mean REALLY.
Really?
Not you guys, Nintendo.
I mean REALLY.
Really?
The not-at-all-funny part is how I could just repost what I said last Friday and it would be every bit as applicable.
On the other bright side, now that it's confirmed that NOA's reading GAF, my pestering feels like it has a renewed meaning. I will continue to complain about this situation until something changes (regardless of whether that change was spurred by fan criticism, purely accidental, or for any other catalyst reason). Especially considering that NOA in particular has no excuse: there are many games with English translations that were released in Japan and/or Europe but haven't shown up in NA.Jiggy said:
Agent Unknown
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Cheesemeister said:
Oh man, Bloodwaters of Dr. Z. One of the best episodes ever, right up there with Mitchell, Manos and Final Sacrifice. My fave line in the movie is when the Doctor goes on one of his endless rants about destroying everyone/everything. Then after transforming and first walking out of the house as the "monster," the suit actor briefly trips over something on the ground to which Mike replies: "Frankly, I think the world can handle this invasion." :lol
Also kills me when you see the monster's scaly/wrinkled legs and Crow says "Oh, hi grandma!" lol
Anyways, cheers for posting that. Pearl's love depravation experiment skit is so appropriate for every week we are taunted by Nintendo and takes away some of the pain of this dull update. Man, we are really paying for getting Do Re Mi.....
EphemeralDream
Member
Agreed. But yeah it does seem like we're now seeing a polar approach to the VC from the same general period of time last year. For much of last year, VC had a lot going but wasn't quite yet at super-awesome. Now it's not quite there, but is nearly at the point of complete shit.Neo Samus said:
Despite what seems to be some good announcements recently (Commodore and SMS support, more imports, Dracula X as an upcoming release in Japan), momentum is all but lost in America.
This is true. Here's a list that I've compiled:
In EU but not US:
NES:
Mega Man
Mega Man 2
River City Ransom
Skate or Die
SNES:
Mario's Super Picross (JP import)
Genesis:
Crack Down
ESWAT: City Under Siege
Mega Turrican
Vectorman
Commodore 64:
International Karate
Uridium
In or coming to JP but not US/EU yet, but had English releases:
NES:
City Connection
Renegade
Sky Kid
Genesis:
Atomic Runner
M.U.S.H.A
Phantasy Star III
Phelios
Shadow Dancer: The Secret of Shinobi
Target Earth
Warsong
TurboGrafx-16/CD:
Dragon Slayer: The Legend of Heroes (CD)
Dungeon Explorer II (CD)
Ys Book I & II (CD)
Neo-Geo AES:
Metal Slug
Samurai Shodown
Master System:
Black Belt
Fantasy Zone
SonicMegaDrive
Member
Super Mario Picross is the most damning.
I truly believe the only reason that isn't here is because NOA wants you to buy the DS version.
Unbelievable.
I truly believe the only reason that isn't here is because NOA wants you to buy the DS version.
Unbelievable.
PepsimanVsJoe
Member
Haha Nintendo is just fucking with western territories now.
"Shit week, shit week, shit week, fanboys on messageboards hating life, mwahahaha perfect."
"Shit week, shit week, shit week, fanboys on messageboards hating life, mwahahaha perfect."
SonicMegaDrive
Member
I just think it's a sign that 3rd parties aren't really satisfied with the sales so far. Sure, some games like Mario, Zelda, and Sonic sell really well. Actually, pretty much anything by Nintendo.
I mean, if 3rd parties were really happy with the way things are going with the service so far, don't you think they'd be FLOCKING to get their games up? Where's Contra? Castlevania 3? Mega Man? Heck, ANYTHING by Capcom other than Street Fighter or Ghouls 'n Ghosts?
Hudson and Sega are doing awesome. But where's the rest?
I mean, if 3rd parties were really happy with the way things are going with the service so far, don't you think they'd be FLOCKING to get their games up? Where's Contra? Castlevania 3? Mega Man? Heck, ANYTHING by Capcom other than Street Fighter or Ghouls 'n Ghosts?
Hudson and Sega are doing awesome. But where's the rest?
Chibbi Brady
Member
Well where's the help from Nintendo? The VC should be a huge selling point for the Wii but where's the advertising? Huge failing on Nintendo's part.
SonicMegaDrive
Member
Chibbi Brady said:
There basically is none. They should be running TV ADS about this, with clips from some of the best games. And advertise it as quick, and easy to play, CHEAP games that anyone can enjoy. But nope. The only ones who seem to know about the goings-on of the Virtual Console are us. The internet-dwellers who care to make it our business for this sort of thing.
To most Wii owners, the 'Shop' Channel is just another unused icon on their Wii Menu screen, alongside the Forecast Channel and the Photo Channel.
And it's absolutely Nintendo that is to blame.
It's another week of backlog grinding. Still, I don't see why some of you are belly-aching harder than usual, both games are decent (whether that means $5 decent is up to you).
I think the lack of a third game can be blamed on other third parties. D4 hasn't released a NeoGeo game in 3 months (and just now is starting to get back in gear with Metal Slug in Japan), Hudson hasn't released a TG16/CD game in over a month and doesn't intend to this month either. Sega added Master System but so far has been a bit slow in releasing games.
That said there are reasons all around. Nintendo has been providing well despite that fact that they are also trying to roll out Wiiware, according the the OFLC we should start seeing quite a few TG16/CD imports from Hudson, and D4 is readying MSX for it's long delayed release next month. Not only that but we've hit a couple of mile stones. More western-centric material is becoming available including at least one western system. May will see the 3rd new VC console in 4 months. Also, from ramblings in the OFLC and other areas we should start seeing a number of new import titles. Really, it's not all bad in VC-land.
I think the lack of a third game can be blamed on other third parties. D4 hasn't released a NeoGeo game in 3 months (and just now is starting to get back in gear with Metal Slug in Japan), Hudson hasn't released a TG16/CD game in over a month and doesn't intend to this month either. Sega added Master System but so far has been a bit slow in releasing games.
That said there are reasons all around. Nintendo has been providing well despite that fact that they are also trying to roll out Wiiware, according the the OFLC we should start seeing quite a few TG16/CD imports from Hudson, and D4 is readying MSX for it's long delayed release next month. Not only that but we've hit a couple of mile stones. More western-centric material is becoming available including at least one western system. May will see the 3rd new VC console in 4 months. Also, from ramblings in the OFLC and other areas we should start seeing a number of new import titles. Really, it's not all bad in VC-land.
Cosmonaut X
Member
SonicMegaDrive said:
Hudson bringing loads of great games to the system, introducing TG-CD support and releasing WiiWare sequels to their VC games is a good sign. Sega bringing Master System games is a good sign. C64 and Neo-Geo support is a good sign.
Mega Man 1 & 2 and Contra 2 & 3 are up. Castlevania 3 will almost certainly go up in the next couple of months.
As for the general point, I don't know why support from key third parties - Capcom or Square Enix, for example - has been so slow. Squenix support can perhaps be explained away by their fondness for reworking and re-releasing old titles for full price and not wanting to jeopardise that cash flow by pushing out cheaper digital versions of the games. With that said though, they have a host of games in their back catalogue that are less likely to see a physical re-release or update, and their absence is a little puzzling.
Perhaps there's an issue with the cut third parties receive, or Nintendo's schedule (WiiWare is limited to one game a month per dev, so maybe something similar applies on the VC) or perhaps there's a general reticence to get involved in digital downloads. I don't know, but when companies like Hudson are clearly having their effort rewarded, it makes me wonder if it's less a problem with the system and more with the companies involved.
Cosmonaut X
Member
ethelred said:
Sorry, was that aimed at me?
ethelred said:
But there are plenty of arguments against that statement. 3 new consoles in 4 months is a heck of a lot of progress, and not worth discounting. Certainly with Wiiware gearing up there is just as much to focus on over there too. Every week doesn't need SMRPG or the equivolent for the service to be good. It's cumulative, so each week the service is better than the last week. I have a massive VC backlog and it's getting bigger all the time so I feel that it's in perfectly fine shape. I have quite a few games I'd love to see on VC but if I really needed something right now there's plenty for me to choose from.
Maybe you've played them all over the years, but for me there's so much stuff I never got around to that I could probably just stop buying retail games and live off VC.
Like I said, I guess some people will defend anything.
If you're happy with the sorry state the service is in these days, you're welcome to that view. I'm not. Other people are not. And don't toss out absurdly patronizing remarks like "I don't understand why people aren't happy!" when people have stated very clearly and reasonably why they're not.
Also, FYI: "look at all the games released back when Virtual Console wasn't sucking!" isn't really a good rebuttal either.
If you're happy with the sorry state the service is in these days, you're welcome to that view. I'm not. Other people are not. And don't toss out absurdly patronizing remarks like "I don't understand why people aren't happy!" when people have stated very clearly and reasonably why they're not.
Also, FYI: "look at all the games released back when Virtual Console wasn't sucking!" isn't really a good rebuttal either.
SonicMegaDrive
Member
Cosmonaut X said:
Don't you see? They're adding systems, yet the rate of game releases is slowing down drastically. That's NOT a good sign.
And Mega Man 1 and 2 are NOT up, unless of course, you're European. Castlevania 3 hasn't even been announced to go up, and until it is, I won't hold my breath for it either.
Also, WiiWare and the Virtual Console aren't the same thing. We know the WII is getting support. We're talking about the Virtual Console. I'm sure the WiiWare service will get plenty of support, when it comes out(at least for a while).
PepsimanVsJoe
Member
I really don't understand the thought-process that goes into these VC releases. I mean don't publishers have to pay a fee to get games uploaded onto the service? Why waste that money on making sure crappy titles get put on the servers? It makes no sense.
Cosmonaut X
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SonicMegaDrive said:
Adding systems is a good sign - there's obviously time and cost involved in getting the Neo-Geo, Master System and C64 up there and the companies involved would have to be confident it was worthwhile - but you're right that the slowdown in releases is a concern.
I am and they are
CV1 and CV2 are up, SCIV has been up for ages and Drac X is coming soon; I'm pretty sure we'll get CV3 soon enough.
The point I was making with the WiiWare comment was that Hudson have obviously seen enough interest in their VC releases to decide to greenlight Star Soldier and Alien Crush games for the service.
SonicMegaDrive
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What I want to know is: how much money is there to be made in uploading games like Donkey Kong Jr. Math, The Legend of Kage, Lode Runner, King's Knight, Operation Wolf, Super Thunder Blade, Powerball, Bravoman, Ordyne, and any other game that virtually nobody on the planet would possibly want to download?
Let's say for example....Square/Enix. They've put up 6 games, 4 of which are Taito games: Legend of Kage, Elevator Action, Actraisier, Bubble Bobble,Operation Wolf, King's Knight. Four of those games are automatic duds. I doubt the games I have bolded combined to reach even a thousand downloads. Now, is Square/Enix going to use those results in determining wether or not it's worth it to put up some of their good games? That's what I want to know.
Also, on the state of the dwindling quality and quantity of the VC: I understood the reasoning behind only releasing 3 or 4 games a week...spread the wealth out, so each game gets more attetion=more profit in the long run. But this only works if they can balance the good with the bad games enough to maintain interest in the service. Frankly, I haven't spent more than 20 dollars on the VC since the beginning of the year. Last year, I downloaded 40 plus games. That's not to say there AREN'T games up that I wouldn't want to download right now. But these constant shitty weeks are destroying my interest in the service. At this point, I can barely be bothered to pay for any of the games, even good ones, unless they're absolutely ones I can't live without.
Hey. Don't start. You're trying to get me to think positively, right?
Let's say for example....Square/Enix. They've put up 6 games, 4 of which are Taito games: Legend of Kage, Elevator Action, Actraisier, Bubble Bobble,Operation Wolf, King's Knight. Four of those games are automatic duds. I doubt the games I have bolded combined to reach even a thousand downloads. Now, is Square/Enix going to use those results in determining wether or not it's worth it to put up some of their good games? That's what I want to know.
Also, on the state of the dwindling quality and quantity of the VC: I understood the reasoning behind only releasing 3 or 4 games a week...spread the wealth out, so each game gets more attetion=more profit in the long run. But this only works if they can balance the good with the bad games enough to maintain interest in the service. Frankly, I haven't spent more than 20 dollars on the VC since the beginning of the year. Last year, I downloaded 40 plus games. That's not to say there AREN'T games up that I wouldn't want to download right now. But these constant shitty weeks are destroying my interest in the service. At this point, I can barely be bothered to pay for any of the games, even good ones, unless they're absolutely ones I can't live without.
I am and they are
Hey. Don't start. You're trying to get me to think positively, right?