Official bitching about Hudson abandoning VC support. [VC/WiiWare = lost cause]
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http://starmen.net/forum/?t=msg&th=46159&start=120#msg_923869
Captain N said:
http://starmen.net/forum/?t=msg&th=46159&start=120#msg_923869
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Way to go, Jiggy. You have us discussing the etymology of a slang term for feces. 
evilromero
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If that press release is indeed legit then I'm pleasantly surprised. For the first time in a long time I would have little grounds on bitching about the update.
charlequin
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Stumpokapow said:
Oh god, no. Shudder. It's a gaming-related board. :lol Sadly I'm not allowed to say shit, fuck, cock, titties, or phatuglygoatmonkeyjism there, though.
Jazzem said:Thinking of downloading one of the following tonight:
Street Gangs (River City Ransom, damn the EU inferior name!)
StarTropics (Though I might leave long games like this until after my exams)
The Last Ninja
Impossible Mission
Wonderboy
Fantasy Zone
Gradius II
Final Soldier
Anyone care to make a suggestion?
I don't think you could possibly go wrong with Gradius II, but what do I know?
I'm not going any further off-topic. Never meant to in the first place; it was just an offhand, joking remark.
Anyway, since Circuit City was already doing me a service today by cutting the Square-Enix Tax off of The World Ends With You (freaking incredible game by the way) and enabling me to buy it, I also picked up a SanDisk Ultra II 2GB SD Card with the intent of using it to justify my VC trolling.
Before now I'd been using a PNY card and had issues with games like Sin and Punishment or Lords of Thunder taking around seven minutes each to copy over, but others have been claiming fast speed due to fast cards. It may take a couple of days, but I'll find out just how accurate those claims are. I'm going to copy over all 54 of my VC games, I'm going to time each copy job, and I'll post the results here so that maybe any future discussions on this topic can start introducing hard facts.
Also, even if you really had your heart set on Fantasy Zone, maybe at least wait for Super Fantasy Zone since I think that right in the queue for Europe... Not sure if it's better or worse or what, but at least you could have that basis for comparison.
Anyway, since Circuit City was already doing me a service today by cutting the Square-Enix Tax off of The World Ends With You (freaking incredible game by the way) and enabling me to buy it, I also picked up a SanDisk Ultra II 2GB SD Card with the intent of using it to justify my VC trolling.
Before now I'd been using a PNY card and had issues with games like Sin and Punishment or Lords of Thunder taking around seven minutes each to copy over, but others have been claiming fast speed due to fast cards. It may take a couple of days, but I'll find out just how accurate those claims are. I'm going to copy over all 54 of my VC games, I'm going to time each copy job, and I'll post the results here so that maybe any future discussions on this topic can start introducing hard facts.
I really wish I could say I've played Final Soldier, because if it's close to its same-series counterparts Super Star Soldier and Soldier Blade, that would be my pick pretty easily. But out of what I have played, River City Ransom > Star Tropics > Fantasy Zone, provided that you like their respective genres.Jazzem said:Thinking of downloading one of the following tonight:
Street Gangs (River City Ransom, damn the EU inferior name!)
StarTropics (Though I might leave long games like this until after my exams)
The Last Ninja
Impossible Mission
Wonderboy
Fantasy Zone
Gradius II
Final Soldier
Anyone care to make a suggestion?
Also, even if you really had your heart set on Fantasy Zone, maybe at least wait for Super Fantasy Zone since I think that right in the queue for Europe... Not sure if it's better or worse or what, but at least you could have that basis for comparison.
JoshuaJSlone
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I'm a big proponent of River City Ransom, but since I haven't played the others I can't honestly recommend it over them.Jazzem said:Thinking of downloading one of the following tonight:
Street Gangs (River City Ransom, damn the EU inferior name!)
StarTropics (Though I might leave long games like this until after my exams)
The Last Ninja
Impossible Mission
Wonderboy
Fantasy Zone
Gradius II
Final Soldier
Anyone care to make a suggestion?
Well, I know I'm not allowed here..but anyway..
Loved the original on the N64, and though I was "saving" for WiiWare (next monday), I decided to go for it.
Well, the game is the exact same..animated movies, lots of voice acting..all inspired directly from the Pokémon shows (inspired, because they were made for this game and not taken from the show).
There are a lot of options too: various trainings to..well..train. A league were you compete with the original League (Brock, Misty, etc) and beating them earns you badges. Stage editor (lets you chose 1 of 3 backgrounds and the placements of the blocks), 2 player mode, a 3D mode which is basically you rotating the lines of blocks around till you finally match them.
The game basically is: you choose a character, choose one of 3 Pokémon (which aside from screaming their name, when you do combos they send blocks to the opponent-Pikachu's are yellow with lightining symblos, each block matches the Pokémon you choose)
As with most N64-2D games/ported to VC, everything that is 2D/sprite looks a little pixelated, but still looks fine. In the 3D mode the blocks looks a little blurry, and it gets a little slow when there are too many blocks (I don't remember itf tha twas in the original)..then, I completely ignored that the game had a stage editor..so my memory is a little fuzzy in some aspects.
EDIT:
The size is 256 Blocks by the way.
rollingstart
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Pokemon Puzzle League is awesome. I would download it, but I am out of space on my Wii.
DeaconKnowledge
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Does PPL releasing mean we won't be getting Tetris Attrack for the SNES? To be quite honest I prefer the latter. The melody for Poochy's stage is a personal favourite of mine.
I hope not.DeaconKnowledge said:
Tertis Attack was (and is) quite awesome..and full of Nintendo stuff (well, more like full of Yoshi stuff)..
The other day I was playing it, and I was thinking about how could would it be for that game of Pokémon Puzzle League on the VC..at least the latter made it.
So, I hope they release it..at some point..it wouldn't make sense releasing it so close to this one, but at least..in a few months.
Nuclear Muffin
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fernoca said:Just got Pokémon Puzzle League. (I'll add it to the VC sales thread when I find it)Well, I know I'm not allowed here..but anyway..
Loved the original on the N64, and though I was "saving" for WiiWare (next monday), I decided to go for it.
Well, the game is the exact same..animated movies, lots of voice acting..all inspired directly from the Pokémon shows (inspired, because they were made for this game and not taken from the show).
There are a lot of options too: various trainings to..well..train. A league were you compete with the original League (Brock, Misty, etc) and beating them earns you badges. Stage editor (lets you chose 1 of 3 backgrounds and the placements of the blocks), 2 player mode, a 3D mode which is basically you rotating the lines of blocks around till you finally match them.
The game basically is: you choose a character, choose one of 3 Pokémon (which aside from screaming their name, when you do combos they send blocks to the opponent-Pikachu's are yellow with lightining symblos, each block matches the Pokémon you choose)
As with most N64-2D games/ported to VC, everything that is 2D/sprite looks a little pixelated, but still looks fine. In the 3D mode the blocks looks a little blurry, and it gets a little slow when there are too many blocks (I don't remember itf tha twas in the original)..then, I completely ignored that the game had a stage editor..so my memory is a little fuzzy in some aspects.
EDIT:
The size is 256 Blocks by the way.
Exactly the same as the original (Actually I think there's an option to turn the slowdown off, you might have to unlock it though. Can't remember if the N64 PPL has it but I know for a fact that the GCN PDP has it!)
BTW, the thread title needs to be changed now since we got a 2 good games week!
Oh and sod Tetris Attack, gimme the original Panel de Pon!
cartman414
Member
DeaconKnowledge said:
We got Kirby's Avalanche after Mean Bean Machine, and those are both variants of the original Puyo Puyo. I wouldn't count out the original PdP.
A Black Falcon
Member
DeaconKnowledge said:
Really, PPL is better in every way, gameplay-wise -- it has every mode the original had, plus several more such as 3d mode, as well as on-cart saving (no passwords! And you get a LOT of passwords in Tetris Attack...), stat saving, etc.
Tetris Attack's only advantages are music and theme, because it's Yoshi's Island themed instead of Pokemon. And that is a definite advantage in Tetris Attack's favor... but still, gameplay-wise, PPL clearly is better, for copying the original perfectly as well as adding some new things.
Nuclear Muffin said:
Panel de Pon and Tetris Attack are EXACTLY the same except for the character art graphics and story, pretty much. Music, options, backgrounds... everything else is exactly the same. Is it really worth it just for different characters?
As for Nintendo Puzzle Collection... they should have released that here.
Does it have all the options of PPL? I don't remember and haven't played it.Nuclear Muffin
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A Black Falcon said:
You bet biotch!
She rocks your face!
Fairies>>>>>>>>>>>Shoehorned Yoshi characters>>>>>>>> Pokemon characters
Plus some of the music was replaced in Tetris Attack...
cartman414
Member
Lol. And people called Puyo Puyo 2's VC release redundant, even though that introduced various rulings over the original.
DeaconKnowledge
Member
A Black Falcon said:
I know; I own Planet Puzzle League for the N64.
I specifically want Tetris Attack for a few things, the Theme (I loved the Yoshi Motif), Poochy's stage and Music (I always had a soft spot for the character and his background normal music and hectic music are among if not THE best Puzzle game tracks ever) and believe it or not; the slowdown. There was nothing like unleashing such a huge combo on your opponent that the game literally had a hard time keeping up. But I'm surprisingly nostalgic for Super Nintendo slowdown.
Actually, I'd say Pokemon Puzzle League's release is pretty much proof we won't be seeing Tetris Attack, since releasing TA would require Nintendo to negotiate to use the Tetris license, and I doubt it's worth the trouble for a VC release. That's why Nintendo's been doing their best to rebrand the series as Puzzle League in the US, after all. I guess they could switch out TA's title screen for a new one calling it Puzzle League, but I don't see that happening either.
As for an import release of Panel de Pon, I guess that could happen, but it'd be untranslated like everything else, so I think they just decided to let Pokemon Puzzle League cover for the series on VC.
As a slightly unrelated sidenote, am I the only one surprised that Wiiware is just a week off now and we still don't have a clear launch lineup?
As for an import release of Panel de Pon, I guess that could happen, but it'd be untranslated like everything else, so I think they just decided to let Pokemon Puzzle League cover for the series on VC.
As a slightly unrelated sidenote, am I the only one surprised that Wiiware is just a week off now and we still don't have a clear launch lineup?
Thanks to the people who gave advice to my earlier post. I plumped for Street Gangs (And will probably consider Gradius II sometime soon), and while it isn't a gameplay masterpiece, I can see why it's such a cult classic. The style and humour of the game is just too charming to pass up. Nothing beats throwing an enemy at another bad guy and having them say "Maaamaaaa!" 
It plays pretty well, though it's not quite as deep or involving as Streets of Rage II. For what it's worth though it's a fun, playable and very funny little NES game I'm glad I picked up.
It plays pretty well, though it's not quite as deep or involving as Streets of Rage II. For what it's worth though it's a fun, playable and very funny little NES game I'm glad I picked up.
A Black Falcon
Member
Nuclear Muffin said:You bet biotch!
She rocks your face!
Fairies>>>>>>>>>>>Shoehorned Yoshi characters>>>>>>>> Pokemon characters
Plus some of the music was replaced in Tetris Attack...
Perhaps, but it's mostly the exact same... and the Yoshi characters fit pretty well. If you didn't know it wasn't originally a Yoshi game, you wouldn't really think that the theme is odd... and it's Yoshi's Island characters! Yoshi's Island has awesome character designs. Both versions are great.
RedBoot said:
"Yoshi's Puzzle League"
Simple graphics edit. It wouldn't be that hard, I expect... as long as they still have the code anyway... but yeah, they probably won't.
DeaconKnowledge said:
Yeah, that's pretty much what I was saying. Tetris Attack/Panel de Pon (both of them) have better themes and music than Pokemon Puzzle League. Even so, because PPL has more gameplay options and a much, much better save system, I think it is better despite the annoying Pokemon theme.
cartman414 said:
If we already have multiple, nearly identical versions of several Wonder Boy games...
cartman414
Member
A Black Falcon said:
I know, but Puyo Puyo 2 wasn't the exact same Puyo Puyo game as KA or MBM. Slight difference there.
But hey, I certainly don't begrudge multiple versions of the same game being up on the service. Different people might prefer one flavor of a game over another.
ok downloading.
:lol
I actually said Sonic 3 & Knuckles twice.
Seriously. PM me here, PM me on IRC, message me on Xbox Live, whatever when S3&K is there.
Jiggy37 said:You only said to notify you if Kirby Super Star, Sonic 3 and Knuckles, or Super Mario RPG showed up:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9782228&postcount=18339
:lol
I actually said Sonic 3 & Knuckles twice.
Seriously. PM me here, PM me on IRC, message me on Xbox Live, whatever when S3&K is there.
Yeah, out of the other two games I had played on your list, Star Tropics and Fantasy Zone definitely aren't gameplay masterpieces either--both are good, though, just like RCR--but for raw appeal they just don't stack up.Jazzem said:Thanks to the people who gave advice to my earlier post. I plumped for Street Gangs (And will probably consider Gradius II sometime soon), and while it isn't a gameplay masterpiece, I can see why it's such a cult classic. The style and humour of the game is just too charming to pass up. Nothing beats throwing an enemy at another bad guy and having them say "Maaamaaaa!"
It plays pretty well, though it's not quite as deep or involving as Streets of Rage II. For what it's worth though it's a fun, playable and very funny little NES game I'm glad I picked up.
SonicMegaDrive
Member
Capndrake said:
Bleh.
I can't imagine Jaleco making money off this garbage.
Nuclear Muffin
Banned
fernoca said:
Technically, it's not anymore pixellated than the original. It's just that the edges appear sharper and more noticable thanks to the superior image quality you get on the Wii. Same goes for all 2D elements in N64 VC titles (3D gets less pixellated, 2D stays the same as before)
JoshuaJSlone
Member
I liked City Connection on NES. Though the biggest thing it had going for it was its music.
Capndrake said:
Seems my scanner loop stopped at the last code in the set, I'll need to fix that.
Phantasy Star III - MCC
Famicom Detective Club Part 2 - JCI
For the imports you might not be using the right region code:
Final Soldier (EU) - PAOL
Gradius II: Gofer no Yabou - QADL
Columns 3 - MBWD
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bluemax said:
It's called hyperbole.
I actually do consider Earthbound to be one of the greatest RPGs ever made (and my personal favourite game of all time), but when I go making grandiose statements like that, it's just an expression of how awesome I think Earthbound is. I don't necessarily mean it literally.
Dragona Akehi
Retired
Firestorm said:
It's primarily a 2D based game, which ran natively at 320x240. Now it's been "upgraded" to 480p, so no wonder.
It's much like "Panel De Pon" on the Nintendo Puzzle Collection, which was CLEARLY programmed for the N64. Completely "pixellated" compared to the other games on the collection, which were designed for 480p.
A Black Falcon
Member
Dragona Akehi said:
Panel de Pon in Nintendo Puzzle Collection was just a port of PPL with Panel de Pon's original characters and a four player mode added, then? That's what I thought, but since I've never actually played it...
Nuclear Muffin
Banned
A Black Falcon said:
Actually it was a port of the unreleased Panel de Pon 64 (Pokemon Puzzle League was a hack of this, you can tell if you've played both of them) PDP64 stars the daughters of the original cast with some new characters thrown in and a redesigned Sanatos (Yuck! what the hell were they thinking with him!) and Corderia (Looks WAY better than the original
)The 4 player mode was new though (And coded by Tose, which is why the 4 player physics are kinda borked, but still tons of fun
)
A Black Falcon
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Nuclear Muffin said:Actually it was a port of the unreleased Panel de Pon 64 (Pokemon Puzzle League was a hack of this, you can tell if you've played both of them) PDP64 stars the daughters of the original cast with some new characters thrown in and a redesigned Sanatos (Yuck! what the hell were they thinking with him!) and Corderia (Looks WAY better than the original
The 4 player mode was new though (And coded by Tose, which is why the 4 player physics are kinda borked, but still tons of fun
Really? I thought that PPL was made by NST as a game that built on the SNES game, adding a couple new things to the SNES game but mostly being the same, not just a port of an unreleased Japanese game... huh.
Dragona Akehi
Retired
A Black Falcon said:
Nope, it was a cancelled-at-the-last-minute 64 game, only to be revived for the GC. Some really bad prerendered stuff too.