Official bitching about Hudson abandoning VC support. [VC/WiiWare = lost cause]

Jiggy37 said:
Dream games? Not quite. Most people in here are asking for realistic games such as Nintendo first-party titles that require no negotiation, or titles which were ESRB-rated and should theoretically be undergoing testing (since getting rated is not a free ordeal). People aren't claiming that VC fails because the only translated version of Tactics Ogre is on PS1, nor do I see anybody boycotting because that blasted Capcom won't negotiate the rights to put up Duck Tales and Duck Tales 2.
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Kinda meant dream games as in games they're wishing for or dreaming about to be released, current 'it' game. Not ohhh these games being released is only a dream!! It'll never happen!!

Super Metroid
Earthbound
Chrono Trigger
Freaking Mega Man :lol

Etc.

Its true there are no excuses for Nintendo licensed games not to be coming out, but the fact that Earthbound isn't out yet shouldn't take away from the quality that IS out. Thats what people tend to forget.

I was over the moon about Sin & Punishment coming out for us, I honestly thought hey finally something for the fans to get excited about. Great news!

Then we got 12 pages of people moaning about how it costs 200 extra points. :|
 
Exactly. I don't think anyone is saying the VC doesn't have an outstanding existing library. It just seems like such small simple moves could take the current release schedule from "barely ok" to "outstanding". Heck, release one game a week that we KNOW has been rated and are anticipating and you would have enough weeks to collectively shutup every complainer in this thread until probably at least fall.

Conrad Link said:
Super Metroid
Earthbound
Chrono Trigger
Freaking Mega Man :lol
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umm.. Super Metroid has been here since the middle of last year.. unless you just meant high profile games in general.
 
Just meant general 'GAF pining for games', I remember that being high on the list before its release.

And rightly so having not been on anything else since the SNES and only one of the best games of all time.

One thing I would like to have seen is all the same games released across all regions on the same day. I really hate this country bias sorta thing that happens, we get shit flung at from all directions, the fans of said disgruntled country attacks its Nintendo branch... its like competing system wars attacking sometimes.

We're all VC users all using the same system, its all Nintendo! We should be getting all the same games (obviously where possible, if its not a valid import title then we wouldn't get a particular JPN release that week).
 
Conrad Link said:
Its true there are no excuses for Nintendo licensed games not to be coming out, but the fact that Earthbound isn't out yet shouldn't take away from the quality that IS out. Thats what people tend to forget.
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I fully acknowledge that the quality of the existing VC library is awesome. However, the VC has the potential to become even more awesome and Nintendo is squandering that potential.
 
Kobun Heat said:
All this complaining isn't about Virtual Console in general: It's about how Americans, for some inexplicable reason, are getting totally dicked. Japan gets four games a week, we get one. That's messed up.
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That's odd. Did NOA forget that the NES, SNES and Genesis were the shit back in the day? If they aren't worried about the VC hitting its limit in Japan, then there's NO excuse for this bull in America or any other country/region that made them rich.
 
they realized that no one had any space left in the fridge, and it was either wind down the vc, or come up with some sort of "storage solution". their hands were pretty-much tied, really.
 
MoxManiac said:
Going to wind down?? It's ALREADY WOUND DOWN! What the hell do they consider winding down?
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I have no clue. I was told that VC is 'winding down' by someone involved in the process. It might just mean that it is slowing down, and I would assume only Nintendo specific titles.
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that's what the NOA guy told me.
 
Wired said:
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JSnake said:
that's what the NOA guy told me.
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I'd find that pretty weird considering that the Japanese and European services still seem to be churning along quite happily, with both regions having recently added new systems (C64 and MSX respectively).

There's no disputing that something is going awry with NoA's handling of the VC, but I can't see them closing up shop on it altogether...
 
Well, if it was just Nintendo titles, that MIGHT not be so bad. I think i'm only waiting for Earthbound, SMRPG, and hmm, what else? Oh yeah, Super Mario Kart.
 
Jiggy37 said:
Hundreds? As in, two hundred or more? No there aren't, unless your username is MiketheBSG. Even for a dedicated VC buyer like me who has 54 games and has loved this service very much, I don't believe I could find a way to breach the 100 mark if I exclusively bought games that I believe I'd even moderately enjoy.
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Perhaps I should have qualified the statement by saying that there are hundreds of games available, and many of them are worth buying.
Jiggy37 said:
Care to single out some of the posts demonstrating this phenomenon? I'm not fond of slinging blanket accusations from a distance. :(
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Is that a serious request? I must have a lower tolerance for unreasonableness than you. :D
Jiggy37 said:
With the VC tie ratio continually hovering around 0.5, "a majority of the people who own Wiis" haven't even bought a VC game.
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Considering that only about 40% of Wii's are connected to the internet, that number doesn't sound as bad as you are trying to portray it to be. Additionally, you can't claim that the 60% of people who are not connected are unsatisfied with the VC... An argument either way is senseless anyway you look at it.
 
When I first learned about the wii and the virtual console I was like "fuck yeah that's so damn awesome, there's hundreds of old games worth a release", but now the situation is beyond sad. Not that I ever was a great consumer of VC games (I own Mario64), but that's more because I find the prices almost criminal here in Sweden (1000 points is around $16 or something, correct me if I'm wrong).

Thank god for Wii Ware, I've already bought 4 games from there.
 
JSnake said:
I was told the VC is getting ready to 'wind down'.
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That's not true! That's impossible!

I understand that you can't reveal this person's name, but could you give us an idea of what part of the process this employee is involved in and how he would know that the VC is "winding down"? For that matter, what does "winding down" imply? Will this just affect Nintendo's first-party titles, or third-parties as well?

What a worrying statement.
 
Nintendo itself may "wind down" if they have no intention of doing stuff outside of N64, SNES, and NES because the amount of games they have is nearing its limit (even Sega and Hudson are starting to scrape the bottom of the well on Genesis and TG16). I can't fathom this applying to third parties though. Hell, we still have almost no western publishers.
 
Kobun Heat said:
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Care to do your bit (again) for the reputation of games journalism & poke around this story? Some kind of explanation of the slowdown in releases and a response to this little snippet would be interesting...
 
Somnid said:
Nintendo itself may "wind down" if they have no intention of doing stuff outside of N64, SNES, and NES because the amount of games they have is nearing its limit (even Sega and Hudson are starting to scrape the bottom of the well on Genesis and TG16). I can't fathom this applying to third parties though. Hell, we still have almost no western publishers.
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Nintendo is not even close to scraping the bottom of the well in regards to their own games being released on VC.
 
"Wind down" could mean a few different things. It could just mean that they're cutting back on VC releases to make room for WiiWare (unnecessary, but clearly already happening.) It could mean they're slowing things down to a trickle to extend the life of the service due to thinning first party titles and lack of third party support.

What it clearly does not mean, is ramping up the number of weekly releases so we have more options and more chance of seeing something we want, while releasing a storage solution so we can keep all our games installed at once.

I guess those of us waiting for a storage solution (read: anyone with more than a few VC/WW games) can only hope that WiiWare creates the demand for one.
 
The VC is already in a down spot, particularly in North America. They cannot afford to plan any "winding down" periods. I wonder if NOA has noticed that Wii has now been sufficiently hacked to run homebrew, including emulators.

"Winding down" would only see them losing further ground to alternative methods of playing classic games on the Wii. That's the situation they find themselves in.
 
Kobun Heat said:
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Is that facepalming at me or the actual decision to wind down?

Canadian: I can't really answer your questions because I don't know. The fellow who contacted me is Reidman's mysterious contact (he also said he doubts EB will ever come out). I can't answer your other questions. when talking to this guy, I was not asking why the VC is sucking. I was entirely pursuing the EB situation and this statement merely showed up during my line of questioning.
 
dwin45 said:
Nintendo is not even close to scraping the bottom of the well in regards to their own games being released on VC.
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Well, taking the N64, what is there left on there that Nintendo are likely to be rereleasing? All of the Rare stuff is pretty much out, as are games like Dr Mario (WiiWare version ahoy!) and some of the other licensed stuff. Off the top of my head, I can only think of:

Donkey Kong 64
Pilotwings 64
LoZ: Majora's Mask
Mario Golf
Mario Tennis
Super Smash Bros.

I think the Pokemon Stadium and Mario Party games are pretty unlikely, so I've not included them. At current N64 release rates, that's only half a year's worth of games.

The NES and SNES are obviously in a better position, but without third party support for the service even those systems will start to exhaust the (viable) first-party catalogue soon enough.
 
The potential game library for VC is nowhere even close to being exhausted. There's still countless quality NES, SNES, PC Engine, and Genesis titles waiting to be released. They can expand the Genesis library by adding support for Sega CD games.

Also, I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Nintendo would be wise to consider adding an arcade category to the VC. I know it's Virtual "Console", but it's still something worth considering. Besides, the Neo-Geo is partially a step in that direction - I'm sure many more people are familiar with it as arcade hardware as opposed to a home console.
 
Visualante said:
Yes, if that's so hard to believe. I played a few Wii games but this is my first Nintendo console. I bought it to play catch up.
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Eh, well, to each their own.

minor effort said:
The potential game library for VC is nowhere even close to being exhausted. There's still countless quality NES, SNES, PC Engine, and Genesis titles waiting to be released. They can expand the Genesis library by adding support for Sega CD games.

Also, I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Nintendo would be wise to consider adding an arcade category to the VC. I know it's Virtual "Console", but it's still something worth considering. Besides, the Neo-Geo is partially a step in that direction - I'm sure many more people are familiar with it as arcade hardware as opposed to a home console.
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If they added Saturn support, I would love them forever. But that'll probably never happen due to the nature of the Saturn.
 
minor effort said:
Also, I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Nintendo would be wise to consider adding an arcade category to the VC. I know it's Virtual "Console", but it's still something worth considering.
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Not to mention handhelds. Lots of people here would love to get GB, GG, NGPC, and other handheld games on VC. Preferably with DS download play support.
 
dwin45 said:
Nintendo is not even close to scraping the bottom of the well in regards to their own games being released on VC.
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We've done lists before. SNES is the most untapped but I believe NES has about 10 "likely" games from Nintendo left. N64 isn't much larger. The other thing is that of those remaining maybe half are actually interesting.
 
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