Official bitching about Hudson abandoning VC support. [VC/WiiWare = lost cause]
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It wasn't a bad game, per se.
It was just far below the standards of a Kirby game.
It was just far below the standards of a Kirby game.
Longer than I'd get enjoyment out of Kirby 64 if I bought it. And a greater quality of enjoyment, for that matter!Iam Canadian said:
...To be serious for just a moment: I don't think Kirby 64 is bad. It's not good, and it's the worst Kirby, but it's not bad. If it existed in a vacuum, I would say that the game is worth ten dollars. (It's certainly not one of those sorts of games that I wouldn't touch if I received them for free.) And I had actually been considering replying to evilromero's post saying just that.
But I didn't, because the issue is that it's not in a vacuum. It's competing with everything else on VC, and a great chunk of that everything else is so much better that, unless you're that guy who bought 113 VC games as of July (or whenever it was) and started a thread to brag about it, and therefore probably have everything that's more worth playing, I can't honestly suggest to people that they should buy it. If I seem like I've come out trashing Kirby 64, that's only because I love the rest of the series so much that I truly don't want anyone to buy this as their first Kirby game and conclude from this one non-representative game that the series is among Nintendo's weakest. It's not.
I think I've gotten my main point across--that Kirby shouldn't be judged by Kirby 64--so I'll say no more about it. And hey, I won't have to since probably nobody's going to talk about it after this next week or so.
But do buy Kirby Ultra Super Deluxe when it's released on DS. Really!
Nintendo figuring out that they're very easily capable of turning a better profit from VC sales.IAmtheFMan said:
EphemeralDream
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I was about to post about how it seemed like we'd found that game, the one which Jiggy hates so much, he could never fully display his hate (I think every gamer has one) for it. But alas, we have not found that game.
Christopher
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looked at some Kirby 64 videos online - and it doesn't look to hot as others have said.
I truly hope the new Kirby one is good for Wii.
I truly hope the new Kirby one is good for Wii.
Oh, I have a good number of those. If I tried to narrow it down to one, and was just sticking to stuff that's eligible for VC in some country for the sake of staying on topic, I guess it would be Final Fantasy II. Or Ice Climber. Or The 7th Saga. Or Zanac, or Inindo: Way of the Ninja, or Drakkhen, or Pac-Man 2: The New Adventures. Considering the diverse reasons I hate all of these games, I wouldn't be sure where to begin.EphemeralDream said:I was about to post about how it seemed like we'd found that game, the one which Jiggy hates so much, he could never fully display his hate (I think every gamer has one) for it. But alas, we have not found that game.
But I'm pretty sure that one way or another it really comes down to Final Fantasy II or Pac-Man 2. Eh, let's just say it's Pac-Man 2, AKA the single worst example of trial-and-error gameplay that I've ever seen, because if that shows up on VC someday even I'll start using the term "Scamco." I'd rather see SNES Monopoly, Star Wars: Shadows of the Empire, Paladin's Quest, The Simpsons: Bart vs. the Space Mutants, Mario is Missing, Mario's Time Machine, Rad Racer, Battle Blaze, Tecmo Secret of the Stars, and Sonic Blast Man than that nonsense--and those are games I probably wouldn't play if I was given them for free.
EphemeralDream
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I haven't played it in recent years but liked Bart vs. the Space Mutants quite a bit as a kid. The levels seemed pretty creative for the time in terms of the types of gameplay offered.
WTF at Pac-Man 2's gameplay. I like the aesthetic though.
WTF at Pac-Man 2's gameplay. I like the aesthetic though.
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There needs to be some kind of Sandbox Gaming Anti-Defense Force. Because I also hate it and everything about it.
My loathing of sandbox gaming is probably the one thing that's kept me from even trying No More Heroes so far. >_>
Incidentally, of games available on VC-eligible systems, I hate with a burning passion the NES Simpsons games, Bubsy 2 (Bubsy 1 has nostalgia on its side, but I detest the second one), Sonic Blast Man, Sonic 3D Blast (which actually is on VC... >_>), Bebe's Kids, Faceball 2000, and a number of others...
By the way, Jigs, why didn't you like Zanac?
My loathing of sandbox gaming is probably the one thing that's kept me from even trying No More Heroes so far. >_>
Incidentally, of games available on VC-eligible systems, I hate with a burning passion the NES Simpsons games, Bubsy 2 (Bubsy 1 has nostalgia on its side, but I detest the second one), Sonic Blast Man, Sonic 3D Blast (which actually is on VC... >_>), Bebe's Kids, Faceball 2000, and a number of others...
By the way, Jigs, why didn't you like Zanac?
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Kirby 64 is better than people think. It has some pretty good music. Happy, Kirby style tunes but they're different to the usual kirby fare.
The gameplay is slower, but there are secrets on every level. It's actually pretty tricky to find all the secrets. Also in this game, powers can be combined. For instance, if you eat fire and bombs together, you get fireworks. This means, with all the combinations, there are many more powers in this game than in the usual Kirby game. So it's a fairly substantial game, longer than most Kirby games.
The graphics have a kind of washed out look, but they're actually pretty varied.
For a 2d platformer on the N64, Kirby64 is probably second best to Mischeif Makers. If you're a Kirby fan I don't think you would be disappointed.
The gameplay is slower, but there are secrets on every level. It's actually pretty tricky to find all the secrets. Also in this game, powers can be combined. For instance, if you eat fire and bombs together, you get fireworks. This means, with all the combinations, there are many more powers in this game than in the usual Kirby game. So it's a fairly substantial game, longer than most Kirby games.
The graphics have a kind of washed out look, but they're actually pretty varied.
For a 2d platformer on the N64, Kirby64 is probably second best to Mischeif Makers. If you're a Kirby fan I don't think you would be disappointed.
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highspeeddub said:
Oh, I agree, the music is great.
Then again, I'm hard-pressed to name a Kirby game that doesn't have good music.
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Kirby 64 is OK, its worth a play. Obviously there are better VC games out there but I mean if you've played all the good ones and looking for something new, Kirby isn't a bad game.
Not very difficult from what I remember, but I do remember having fun with it. The power ups are great!
I want Smash Brothers now. >_>
Not very difficult from what I remember, but I do remember having fun with it. The power ups are great!
I want Smash Brothers now. >_>
Gotta go but have to give a quick impression on Street Gang (River Frickin' City Ransom) :
From having played like 30min of the game (up until what seems to be the first boss in the warehouse) :
Even though it's a bit dated, I totally get where the fandom around this game comes from but I'm not really sure if I'm playing this right!
I could use some tips and insight on the game system!
From having played like 30min of the game (up until what seems to be the first boss in the warehouse) :
Even though it's a bit dated, I totally get where the fandom around this game comes from but I'm not really sure if I'm playing this right!
I could use some tips and insight on the game system!
That shit is so asking for a remake/sequel on the DS, think character customization, online gang wars, more moves etc
The Hermit
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I just bought my first 2000 points, and the first game I want to try is Sin & Punishment...
What should I expect?
Is the Gamecube controller good enough to play this?
What should I expect?
Is the Gamecube controller good enough to play this?
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Capndrake said:
With all due respect to Final Soldier, I think Double Dragon is the interesting addition here. I thought the game was in license purgatory, with the now defunct Tradewest holding the rights to the game in North America and Europe. I wonder who is listed as the publisher on the VC release.
Jazzem said:Good grief, I don't know if I really want to play Pac-Man 2 or not after watching that video! What a bizarre game
Horrendous looking, isn't it? I think even Nintendo Power gave it a stinging review back in the day.
And yet, it draws you in, with its siren song of schlock, compelling you to try it at least once. ;-)Off-topic, but I just started Golden Sun and I'm rather disappointed so far. I'm going to trudge on for a while longer, but one of the really annoying things so far are the thought bubbles showing characters' emotions. It seems like every other mundane statement sets off another round of surprise, exuberance, and/or depression, with each party member and any NPC within a twenty mile radius having to get their fifty cents in. The dialogue isn't that great to begin with, and the thought bubbles drag the cut scenes out to excruciating lengths without adding anything of value. Anyway, I saw that there is an option in the main menu to turn off speech. Will that cut the emotional pictorials as well as the audio noises, or am I fated with suicide by thought bubble if I continue with the game too long?
The OFLC says:FFantasyFX said:
It lists Nintendo as Publisher because they own VC and all, though, so the Wii Shop usually has a different publisher. FYI, Street Gangs (River City Ransom) is published on Europe's VC by 505 Games (The Cooking Mama guys). Double Dragon is also by Technos, so it could be 505 Games for DD as well.
The first level is twice as hard as R-Type III and I don't think I'm exaggerating. But even if I am, at least in R-Type III I could get awesome weapons and pretend that they weren't useless in the face of the terrain being the thing to kill me. In Zanac I don't even survive long enough to get more than one weapon upgrade (not just because enemies kill me, but because there are so many weapon types that it's rare to see two of the same type in a row, much less be able to destroy the panels that reveal them--those things can take an inordinate amount of punishment for a shmup), and even when I do they're still useless because having better weapons means there'll be about four times as many enemies on screen to slaughter me and I might as well have just stuck with the basic shot.Iam Canadian said:
It's actually a really fascinating concept and I'd like to see it better explored, but for a first time out it didn't work for me.
Hudson, I love you.Capndrake said:
Overall they probably treat VC better than Nintendo treats VC, despite having a much smaller library to select from. Even Break In deserves some credit, not because I really care about it as a game on its own from the looks of things, but because it's another import title--Hudson's really on the ball with those, despite not having the the brand name power of something like SMB: Lost Levels or even Mario Picross.Oh yes, Kirby 64 has fantastic music. That's one reason that in a vacuum it's worth ten dollars.highspeeddub said:
About the powers, whether there are more of them depends on how you define a power...
With the seven basic powers, there are 35 total combinations in K64, but that only means around 35 different moves. (And that's being generous considering that, for example, I'm counting both Ice and Ice + Ice, both Cutter and Cutter + Cutter, etc.)
But then look at the others. Kirby's Dreamland 3 has eight basic powers that can be used either by Kirby or any of the six animals: that means 56 combinations and 56 moves. Kirby Super Star has 19 basic powers, with most of them having a good four attacks or so. Let's just say it's an average of 3.5 attacks per power (which I think is really lowballing; I'll count them later, maybe), and that leaves 66 moves. Kirby Squeak Squad has 22 basic powers and most of them have at least three attacks. If I say it's an average of 2.5, there are 55 moves in Squeak Squad.
I value the number of moves more than the powers themselves. There are certainly more things to do in Kirby 64 than Adventure or Dreamland 2, or Amazing Mirror, but a few other games have it beaten.
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K64's not great, but I think you're being way too harsh.
I probably am.
On the bright side, a load of people are probably going to download it regardless of any comments from anyone else and figure out for themselves what they think, which is always the best route.
Edit:
On a happier note, with the recent news about Final Soldier and Commodore 64, it's time to re-estimate the over/under on a timeframe for when all of the almost-surely-coming-to-VC games that I want will be available in the Shop Channel.
Rated by the ESRB or OFLC, or otherwise planned for release:
Do Re Mi Fantasy, Dragon Slayer, Final Soldier, Mega Turrican, Shining Force II, Super Fantasy Zone, Super Turrican, Ys Book I & II
Too many other entries on VC (or planned for VC) to not show up:
Adventures of Lolo 3, Castlevania III: Dracula's Curse, Shining Force: The Sword of Hajya, Turrican, Turrican II, Wonder Boy in Monster Land
I'm feeling frisky enough to predict all 14 of these will show up within the next 17 months. I know, I know. It's some dangerous thinking. Let's get even more dangerous: I wonder if Star Parodier is now probably destined for release. With Super Star Soldier, Soldier Blade, Final Soldier, and Star Soldier R eventually all hanging around for download, it seems like an obvious choice. And this is Hudson.
On the bright side, a load of people are probably going to download it regardless of any comments from anyone else and figure out for themselves what they think, which is always the best route.
Edit:
On a happier note, with the recent news about Final Soldier and Commodore 64, it's time to re-estimate the over/under on a timeframe for when all of the almost-surely-coming-to-VC games that I want will be available in the Shop Channel.
Rated by the ESRB or OFLC, or otherwise planned for release:
Do Re Mi Fantasy, Dragon Slayer, Final Soldier, Mega Turrican, Shining Force II, Super Fantasy Zone, Super Turrican, Ys Book I & II
Too many other entries on VC (or planned for VC) to not show up:
Adventures of Lolo 3, Castlevania III: Dracula's Curse, Shining Force: The Sword of Hajya, Turrican, Turrican II, Wonder Boy in Monster Land
I'm feeling frisky enough to predict all 14 of these will show up within the next 17 months. I know, I know. It's some dangerous thinking. Let's get even more dangerous: I wonder if Star Parodier is now probably destined for release. With Super Star Soldier, Soldier Blade, Final Soldier, and Star Soldier R eventually all hanging around for download, it seems like an obvious choice. And this is Hudson.
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If you find Zanac hard, Monster Land will absolutely slaughter you. Be warned.
I'm confident Star Parodier will show up eventually. I'm wondering more about when Hudson is gonna up the SNES support. The only confirmed game is Do Re Mi Fantasy (Which is great), but we really need the Super Bomberman series, Super Adventure Island 1 and 2, Super Bonk 1 and 2 and the SNES Dungeon Explorer (Import please).
I don't know; for some reason I never have too much trouble with what people claim to be really hard sidescrolling action games. It's just 2D shooters that get me.cartman414 said:
But even if I found Monster Land impossible, I'd still want to buy it just to support the series. (And increase the miniscule chances of ever getting Monster World IV, slight as the increase might be.)
Yes, these things and also Bomberman 64.Capndrake said:
Actually, for 1000 Wii Points I might even consider getting Bomberman 64: The Second Attack again. Multiplayer sucks horribly in that one (bombing in an open field only worked well in the first game because of the huge dome-shaped explosions), but the single-player actually wasn't bad.
Edit: Kirby 64 is a better single-player experience, though!
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Does everyone have me on ignore ?
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Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
Baiano19 said:Does everyone have me on ignore
... you know what you did.
Anyway, what to expect from Sin & Punishment: a crazy, crazily fantastic game.
I played through the game on a classic controller, but button assignments are configurable, I believe. If I remember correctly, using the GC controller makes doing a certain move a bit harder, but not impossible.
I'd recommend doing your first playthrough on easy, then going back for the harder modes. Even when on easy the game kicked my ass hard in a few spots.
Also, make sure to love every damn second of the final boss. Best final boss ever.
The Hermit
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Thanks!
Sin & Punishment was the first game I though about purchasing since the VC was announced... the only thing I was worried is about the gameplay using the GCN controller.
Well here I go... thanks again!
Sin & Punishment was the first game I though about purchasing since the VC was announced... the only thing I was worried is about the gameplay using the GCN controller.
Well here I go... thanks again!
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Final Soldier? Sweet! I can't wait for this one.
At least Hudson knows what its fans want.
Probably.
A lot of my animosity towards Kirby 64 (and Kirby's Dream Land 3, really) stems from the disappointment I felt when I moved on to these two games after thoroughly enjoying Kirby Super Star. They're not bad games, just not great Kirby games.
Plus, a large number of the powers are completely useless. Unlike Jiggy, while I value the quantity of moves available, I also believe that the moves need to be fun to use and useful in order for the game to be worth playing. Unfortunately, most of Kirby 64's powers are useless. For every cool power like the fireworks (Bomb and Fire, I believe) or the exploding shurikens (Bomb and Cutter), you've got two powers that are completely worthless, like the ones that turn Kirby into a curling stone or a light bulb.
Besides, they nerfed Cutter to hell and back.
At least Hudson knows what its fans want.
A Link to the Snitch said:
Probably.
A lot of my animosity towards Kirby 64 (and Kirby's Dream Land 3, really) stems from the disappointment I felt when I moved on to these two games after thoroughly enjoying Kirby Super Star. They're not bad games, just not great Kirby games.
Plus, a large number of the powers are completely useless. Unlike Jiggy, while I value the quantity of moves available, I also believe that the moves need to be fun to use and useful in order for the game to be worth playing. Unfortunately, most of Kirby 64's powers are useless. For every cool power like the fireworks (Bomb and Fire, I believe) or the exploding shurikens (Bomb and Cutter), you've got two powers that are completely worthless, like the ones that turn Kirby into a curling stone or a light bulb.
Besides, they nerfed Cutter to hell and back.
Iam Canadian said:Final Soldier? Sweet! I can't wait for this one.
At least Hudson knows what its fans want.
Probably.
A lot of my animosity towards Kirby 64 (and Kirby's Dream Land 3, really) stems from the disappointment I felt when I moved on to these two games after thoroughly enjoying Kirby Super Star. They're not bad games, just not great Kirby games.
Plus, a large number of the powers are completely useless. Unlike Jiggy, while I value the quantity of moves available, I also believe that the moves need to be fun to use and useful in order for the game to be worth playing. Unfortunately, most of Kirby 64's powers are useless. For every cool power like the fireworks (Bomb and Fire, I believe) or the exploding shurikens (Bomb and Cutter), you've got two powers that are completely worthless, like the ones that turn Kirby into a curling stone or a light bulb.
Besides, they nerfed Cutter to hell and back.
yeah this game nailed it so hard.. its really puzzling how the succeeding games did not built on its mechanics...
still going to check out kirby 64... since i never really owned it..
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farnham said:
Well, Amazing Mirror and Squeak Squad were decent attempts to build on Super Star, but they didn't quite succeed. I mean, they were good games, but they didn't really match up to their stellar predecessor.
This isn't to disparage them, though. Amazing Mirror is my second-favourite Kirby game.
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GaimeGuy said:So, I just got a 2000 points card, what should I buy?
Depends on what you have.
Though habit compels me to tell you to buy Gunstar Heroes.
Aside from that, here are my recommendations by genre.
Platformers: Any Mario game (barring Lost Levels, unless you really like a challenge), Kirby's Adventure (which I consider an action game moreso than a platformer, but....), Super Castlevania IV, the Ninja Gaiden trilogy, Donkey Kong Country 2.
Adventure: Any Zelda (obviously), Neutopia, Neutopia 2, Landstalker, Star Tropics, Super Metroid, Wonder Boy in Monster World.
Shooter: Super Star Soldier, Soldier Blade, Star Fox 64, Gate of Thunder, Lords of Thunder.
Run and Gun Shooter: Sin and Punishment, Super C, Contra III, Gunstar Heroes, Alien Soldier.
RPGs: Paper Mario is your best bet. Your only real alternatives for traditional RPGs are Breath of Fire II and Phantasy Star II. Shining Force is a stellar SRPG.
Puzzle: Adventures of Lolo, Adventures of Lolo 2,
Misc: Actraiser, Bubble Bobble, Punch-Out!!.
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GaimeGuy said:So, I just got a 2000 points card, what should I buy?
ActRaiser.
50% good-but-not-awesome platformer
50% awesome town building sim
- Near-Launch title but some neat graphical effects that held up for years
- Very replayable IMO
- One of the best soundtracks on the SNES
- Very very polished
- Contains a "professional" mode after you finish the game for super awesome players.
Basically, you're God. After a long rest, you find out that Earth has been overrun with demons. So you go to each country (6 in all; a forested nation, a nation with a big lake of blood, a desert nation, a windy mountainous nation, a small tropical island nation, and a northern snow-covered nation), and then kick monster ass. Once the place is safe for humans, you direct the building of a new nation. The people ask you for help (use lightning to cut down trees! use rain to get rid of the desert! use an earthquake to create a land bridge to that island!) and give you gifts. After building up the town and teaching the people various technologies, you go back into the platforming mode and rid monsters from the land once and for all.
It's honestly quite touching.
I own the game on cart. I own the OST. I bought it on Virtual Console. I've gifted it on Virtual Console. Just do it.
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Actraiser is great stuff, yes.
I'm probably worse than anyone else here at it, though. I've never gotten past the boss gauntlet at the end. >_>
Well Im going to present you my gamesGaimeGuy said:So, I just got a 2000 points card, what should I buy?
- SNES Super Street Fighter, Castlevania IV
- Genesis Streets of Rage 1 and 2, Story of Thor, Shining Force
- N64 Sin and Punishment, Paper Mario (have to get Starfox 64)
- NES Megaman 2, KunioKun, Kirby Adventure
- Neo Geo KOF 94
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farnham said:
Yes, but I thought it bore more resemblance to the Great Cave Offensive game in Kirby Super Star.
farnham said:
I like Canvas Curse, but I try not to rank it with the traditional Kirby games. I see Canvas Curse as a separate spinoff, like Kirby's Avalanche, Kirby's Block Ball, Kirby's Air Ride, and all of the other untraditional Kirby games. It's a good game, but I'm not going to try to compare it to Super Star or something.
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I prefer the main series to any of the spinoffs, but I'll admit that Kirby has some pretty stellar spinoff titles.