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Official Doctor Who Series 1, 5, 31, or Fnarg Thread of Moffat & Smith

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Dr Zhivago

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That wasn't the best footage of the game, it looks nicer in the flesh.

Anyway, decent episode and I like the new look Daleks. I was a bit surprised that
the Doctor allowed Bracewell to just wander off - he's a piece of alien technology with advanced knowledge and the capability of exploding and destroying the world! Also, I don't think Amy not knowing the Daleks is a retcon - it's something to do with the cracks I bet.
 
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Linkified

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Dr Zhivago said:
That wasn't the best footage of the game, it looks nicer in the flesh.

Anyway, decent episode and I like the new look Daleks. I was a bit surprised that
the Doctor allowed Bracewell to just wander off - he's a piece of alien technology with advanced knowledge and the capability of exploding and destroying the world! Also, I don't think Amy not knowing the Daleks is a retcon - it's something to do with the cracks I bet.
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Unless the darleks are further into the future of Earth and Amy is from before the doctor fought them so publicly on Earth. Or Amy is from the other dimension and the Tardis crashed through into a new dimension or something
 
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Barkley's Justice

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daleks. i liked that episode
up until the end.

my question is:
if the doctor has a time machine, why couldnt he have called the dalek's bluff, and let them "blow up earth"...if they had managed to do it, he could go back in time and choose the other option: that of letting the daleks leave and disarming the bomb, etc?
 
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Mr. Sam

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Barkley's Justice said:
my question is:
if the doctor has a time machine, why couldnt he have called the dalek's bluff, and let them "blow up earth"...if they had managed to do it, he could go back in time and choose the other option: that of letting the daleks leave and disarming the bomb, etc?
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Wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey.
 
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8bit

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Barkley's Justice said:
daleks. i liked that episode
up until the end.

my question is:
if the doctor has a time machine, why couldnt he have called the dalek's bluff, and let them "blow up earth"...if they had managed to do it, he could go back in time and choose the other option: that of letting the daleks leave and disarming the bomb, etc?
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The Tardis is not good at getting to both the right place and the right time.
 
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Thomper

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Barkley's Justice said:
daleks. i liked that episode
up until the end.

my question is:
if the doctor has a time machine, why couldnt he have called the dalek's bluff, and let them "blow up earth"...if they had managed to do it, he could go back in time and choose the other option: that of letting the daleks leave and disarming the bomb, etc?
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Mostly because that'd make the entire show crap. No possible tension if the Doctor could always hop back a few minutes and reverse what happened. I think we had a bit of an explanation that seems pretty good, too, during the End of Time, why the Doctor didn't simply stop the Master sooner: once he gets involved in a certain 'timeline' of an event, he can't go back on that timeline again. The timeline for this episode had been firmly 'established' by the time the Daleks threatened to blow up the earth. Honestly, it might sound a bit vague, but I far prefer it to something where nothing ever has consequence because the Doctor can go back at any time.

Edit: That, and what 8bit says, I guess.
 
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APZonerunner

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Barkley's Justice said:
daleks. i liked that episode
up until the end.

my question is:
if the doctor has a time machine, why couldnt he have called the dalek's bluff, and let them "blow up earth"...if they had managed to do it, he could go back in time and choose the other option: that of letting the daleks leave and disarming the bomb, etc?
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He can't cross his own timeline. Generally speaking, as soon as he steps out of the TARDIS he becomes part of events and he can't go back a second time and change things again. See the series one episode "Father's Day" for an example of what happens when you do that.
 
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Mr. Sam

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APZonerunner said:
He can't cross his own timeline. Generally speaking, as soon as he steps out of the TARDIS he becomes part of events and he can't go back a second time and change things again. See the series one episode "Father's Day" for an example of what happens when you do that.
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Diablos54

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Since the one I wanted has gone, I'll just take this one for now.

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Definitely the worst episode of the season so far, but I still didn't think it was that bad, apart from the end, the end really sucked. But at least the new Daleks look pretty awesome. :D And it would be nice not to be hit over the head with all the different cracks, but oh well.
 
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Meier

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Finally almost done with Series 4. Rose's lisp is driving me mad. Can't wait until this is over so I don't have to hear it.. :lol
 
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Shiv47

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The overuse of the Daleks in the new series has made me utterly sick of them, so I didn't have high hopes for this one, but it underperformed even those. Really dreadful stuff. "Dalek" from Eccleston's series has been the only really good one of the bunch. I'm still trying to decide if this or "Daleks in Manhattan" was worse. This has also been two eps on a row where Amy has suddenly hit on the way to resolve the crisis, and the "ever fall for someone you shouldn't" line was puke-inducing. Enough of the falling in love with the Doctor shit, for pity's sake! Of course, now we have the River Song two parter, so we'll get more of it, but at least Moffat established some history for that.
 
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wind_steaker

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I'm so glad we have done away with the slipping through time/escapee Daleks now, that was becoming really old.

For those saying the setting was pointless, I think it was worth it just for the Natzi - Dalek master race card they played.
 
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APZonerunner

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Meier said:
Finally almost done with Series 4. Rose's lisp is driving me mad. Can't wait until this is over so I don't have to hear it.. :lol
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You'll be happy to know that the lisp does disappear in after Turn Left. It's like she forgot how to do the accent and then remembered after filming an entire episode or something.
 
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mclem

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Suairyu said:
A thought: had the rest of the series stuck with episode 1's extended running time, it might have improved things. I enjoyed Beast Below, but do agree it needed some world exploration. The main problem with Victory of the Daleks (spitfires in space aside) was how it reaches what should have been the climax
!rebirth of pure race, reveal of new design!
far too quickly.
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That exact moment screamed to *me* "cliffhanger ending of the first half of a two-parter". I think there was a lot of potential nuance they could have brought to the story if they'd made it that long.
 
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Slappy967

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Finally got to watch the Eleventh Hour on BBC America and after a rewatching of it again today I am officially on board with Matt Smith as the Doctor. I had alot of love in my heart for Tennants run but I have a feeling I will enjoy this series alot. Hopefully I won't have too much spoiled for me as I peruse this thread lol.
 
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Dead Man Typing

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wind_steaker said:
For those saying the setting was pointless, I think it was worth it just for the Natzi - Dalek master race card they played.
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I preferred the Master's master race joke, in the end of time.

I'll have to watch the 11th hour again, to see if there's an obvious Star Wars reference I missed, because this week the space fight had red and green lasers as well as some familiar camera angles and sound effects. And last week Liz 10 said "help me Doctor, you're our only hope" which is very reminiscent of the "Help me Obi-wan Kinobi..." line from Star Wars.

I enjoyed the episode, but expected a lot more from the setting and story. Too short! Looking forward to the two parter.
 
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Meier

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APZonerunner said:
You'll be happy to know that the lisp does disappear in after Turn Left. It's like she forgot how to do the accent and then remembered after filming an entire episode or something.
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I actually thought it was quite noticeable in each episode after that although not as severe. Finished off s4 proper, now to see the in between stuff and then it's time for a new Doctor.. I'll miss Tennant.
 
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Regulus Tera

Romanes Eunt Domus
Okay, I'm bailing the fuck out from Gallifrey Base. Apparently this series has "worse camerawork" indicative of budget constraints that were followed by casting "unknowns" into the lead roles and Amy Pond is somehow a flat 2D character nowhere near as empathetic as Rose was in Series One.

I wanna blame Series Four for this bullshit. God I hate fandom at times.
 
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APZonerunner

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Regulus Tera said:
Okay, I'm bailing the fuck out from Gallifrey Base. Apparently this series has "worse camerawork" indicative of budget constraints that were followed by casting "unknowns" into the lead roles and Amy Pond is somehow a flat 2D character nowhere near as empathetic as Rose was in Series One.

I wanna blame Series Four for this bullshit. God I hate fandom at times.
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Outpost will, and always has complained in this way. Always. Always, always, always. The Moffat years hate began before the years themselves even began. Fuck them all.
 
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Spotless Mind

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APZonerunner said:
Outpost will, and always has complained in this way. Always. Always, always, always. The Moffat years hate began before the years themselves even began. Fuck them all.
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Wait, you're saying there are people and possibly an entire site that hated the prospect of Moffat taking over from RTD? *mind blown*
 
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APZonerunner

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Spotless Mind said:
Wait, you're saying there are people and possibly an entire site that hated the prospect of Moffat taking over from RTD? *mind blown*
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The biggest Who fansite/forum online. They basically spent four years hating on everything RTD ever did, cheered when he left and championed Moffat has his replacement and now have turned on him, too.

The new Dalek design seems to be particularly anger-fuelling..
 
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Regulus Tera

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APZonerunner said:
The biggest Who fansite/forum online. They basically spent four years hating on everything RTD ever did, cheered when he left and championed Moffat has his replacement and now have turned on him, too.

The new Dalek design seems to be particularly anger-fuelling..
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Such big douchebags that a chapter in The Writer's Tale is named after them.

It's kinda funny to be honest.
 
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Tim the Wiz

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APZonerunner said:
The biggest Who fansite/forum online. They basically spent four years hating on everything RTD ever did, cheered when he left and championed Moffat has his replacement and now have turned on him, too.

The new Dalek design seems to be particularly anger-fuelling..
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I didn't much like this episode, nor the new Dalek design. But not only did Moffat not write it, it was also a trunk script from a previous season and it was obviously a set-up episode - so, it's all quite forgivable from my perspective.
 
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APZonerunner

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Tim the Wiz said:
I didn't much like this episode, nor the new Dalek design. But not only did Moffat not write it, it was also a trunk script from a previous season and it was obviously a set-up episode - so, it's all quite forgivable from my perspective.
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This script had nothing to do with any of the previous seasons. It was a script outlined by Moffat, and this is made clear in Confidential. This bullshit seems to be doing the rounds just because Gatiss had a World War 2 script in the works for series four, but it was completely different - no Daleks, no space battle, no Chuchill, no cabinet war rooms, not during the blitz...

Moffat went to Gatiss and told him "Daleks, Churchill, WWII, new Dalek Design" and later told him "Spitfires in space would be great" - that's how the lead writer role works - he tells them what the story they're writing is, they don't pitch it to him.

I posted the script synopsis for Gatiss' series 4 script last page:
4.3 - Nazis
World War II. Monsters on the loose in the Natural History Museum as a Nazi strike-force invades. FIRST DRAFT SCRIPT AVAILABLE, but with changes to come. The museum could be a London shoot for a few days, if we can use the interior of the Natural History Museum, but we'll need Cardigg corridors and rooms as well, if they can match. Plus, an Indiana Jones-type chamber hidden beneath, with sliding stone doors and stuff.

OR!!
I am worried about recreating World War II again so soon. This entire script could be replaced by...

4.3 - Pompeii
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Tim the Wiz

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APZonerunner said:
This script had nothing to do with any of the previous seasons. It was a script outlined by Moffat, and this is made clear in Confidential. This bullshit seems to be doing the rounds just because Gatiss had a World War 2 script in the works for series four, but it was completely different - no Daleks, no space battle, no Chuchill, no cabinet war rooms, not during the blitz...

Moffat went to Gatiss and told him "Daleks, Churchill, WWII, new Dalek Design" and later told him "Spitfires in space would be great" - that's how the lead writer role works - he tells them what the story they're writing is, they don't pitch it to him.

I posted the script synopsis for Gatiss' series 4 script last page:
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Eh, either way, it was an episode deemed necessary to re-introduce the Daleks into the overarching storyline and it wasn't written by Moffat: so, I'm not too surprised that I didn't like it much or put off about the promise of the rest of season.
 
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Keyser Soze

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celebi23 said:
Didn't see this mentioned. There's a new clip for the next episode

http://blogtorwho.blogspot.com/2010/04/time-of-angels-bbc-america-clip.html

Warning: SPOILERS :D

Based on that clip, (how they're acting towards each other & how River can land the TARDIS) I think that she met the Doctor between Water of Mars & End of Time Part 1 (he did go on some adventures after all). I mean, she recognized him in Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead. Just a guess
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I always thought River Song was going to be used as a companion we never see alongside the Doctor. My guess is they have a huge backstory together, but Moffat will only reference it. It has already happened, at least for one of them, and that is all we will know for sure.
 
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gerg

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Can I ask what the appeal of the Daleks actually is? (I ask this sincerely.) I just can't find them menacing - they look like postboxes on wheels with a toilet plunger added for good measure, and the loud-shouty "WE WILL OBEY!" character doesn't disconcert me as much as something more subtle.
 
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123rl

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Regulus Tera said:
Okay, I'm bailing the fuck out from Gallifrey Base. Apparently this series has "worse camerawork" indicative of budget constraints that were followed by casting "unknowns" into the lead roles and Amy Pond is somehow a flat 2D character nowhere near as empathetic as Rose was in Series One.

I wanna blame Series Four for this bullshit. God I hate fandom at times.
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Fucking fanboys:lol Nothing but a bunch of whiny losers who want to complain about everything. There's no way you can say there's budget constraints with some of the things that have happened in this episode. And of course there's the fact that it's now in HD. The new series is great so far. I've enjoyed the RTD seasons but they never had a start as strong as this one. Three great episodes that showed a variety of ranges.
 
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Shiv47

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infiniteloop said:
I'd love to see William Russell back, chap's a legend.
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I love the guy too, so no argument there. Jo just seemed a bizarre choice if they want to go down that road. Too bad Ian Marter is dead, Harry would have been an obvious choice. I suppose they are fairly limited in terms of Earthbound companions that could come back. Based on how they left, the only contenders are Jo, Ian, Dodo, Polly, Liz Shaw, Tegan, and Ace, I guess.
 
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Thomper

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gerg said:
Can I ask what the appeal of the Daleks actually is? (I ask this sincerely.) I just can't find them menacing - they look like postboxes on wheels with a toilet plunger added for good measure, and the loud-shouty "WE WILL OBEY!" character doesn't disconcert me as much as something more subtle.
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They're space-nazi's, basically. 45 years ago, they were genuinely scary and creepy, like nazi's themselves. These days, with WWII so far behind us, nazi's are mostly something cartoonish to most people. I don't mean to say that nazi's were mostly silly people, but just take a look at the biggest recent-movie-with-nazi's: Inglourious Basterds. The whole ideology of the nazi's (and thus the concept behind the nazi's) is so stupid and idiotic that if you've never actually lived 'during' them, they seem almost unhumanly stupid/silly.

I agree with what you're saying - subtle stuff is usually far scarier than something like the Daleks. But that's something of our generation, again. Daleks came from the visible threat of WWII, stuff like the Weeping Angels and the invisible thing in Midnight are more from a Cold War-kind of philosophy, where danger might be in every corner, you just can't recognize it, and it might strike at any second.

Apologies if that got convoluted/pretentiously intellectual, but I hope you get what I'm saying.
 
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Meier

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broadwayrock said:
Matt Smith is dating Gavin Rossdale's daughter:
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He really is horribly unattractive. Tennant wasn't a handsome man, but he had his qualities.. none here for Smith. Gavin's daughter isn't much of a looker either it seems.
 
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Burai

shitonmychest57
infiniteloop said:
wtf is this shit:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2010/04_april/19/sj_adventures.shtml
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Ugh. The Doctor story of SJA last series was absolutely ruined by him being in it. That and the shitty CGI hotel.

I loved the way they teased the Doctor in series 2 with the police box. It was like they were making a statement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiU3e74ekK4

"We can do this ourselves." Damn fucking straight you can. And you should.

The idea of using the Doctor to get Sarah-Jane and her gang out of scrapes is just so fucking lazy. SJA is so appealing because the principal cast are all underdogs. They really do triumph against adversity because they are three children, a spinster and her robot dog. The Doctor is just a Deus Ex Machina in this show.

And for that reason, I hope he never appears in Torchwood either;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huxnKdMZkv8
 
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