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Draft said:
My problem with standard deadlifts is that in order to get my ass back and down enough to move most of the lift to my legs, I'm practically pulling my knees into my lower chest, or in a full on crouch.

When I put my ass in a more natural position, my upper back gets really rounded during the lift.

So really any deadlift tips at all would be appreciated.

I wish you had starting strength, because there is a pretty good illustration of anthropometrical differences between people and how it doesn't make one right or wrong.

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This is from Rip's article. The one on the right is what you seem to be wanting to do, but the one on the left is what you SHOULD be doing. As for your upper back rounding, well, thats sounds like its just a matter of discipline/form and strength. Is the bar staying in contact with your legs the ENTIRE way up? Next time you do it, actively remember that--it may hurt a little (rub some chalk on your shins or wear tube socks), but the further out the bar is from your legs, the more mechanically difficult it is. Due to the way you are built, it will be hard to get as much of your legs in the movement. The main thing is keeping your shoulders/scapula over the bar--this is the optimal pulling position. Ask any weightlifter or big deadlifter.
 
beelzebozo said:
i don't know much about dead lifts, draft, but when i used to do them--this was around six years ago, mind you--i was taught two different ways to do it: one, with that specialized dead lift bar with the triangle in which you stand, and two, with a standard olympic bar. the second method has you stand straddling the bar with your left foot in front, toes facing forward, and your right foot behind the bar with toes facing to the right. i put my left hand over the bar, my right hand under, and dip down into a squat and pull up the dead lift that way.

i actually can't remember if this method has been altogether proven to be worse or better than using the special dead lift bar, but if your problem is that your knees are getting locked in too close to your chest, this would at least keep them in a different position while still utilizing the proper muscles (so far as i can tell).

i'm sure someone can link you to some article on t-nation that speaks with greater authority, though. this is all coming from an ex-high school football player who was taught by a bunch of weight lifting retards who thought they knew everything, so ymmv.



i think this is sorta what i was talking about, the main difference being the feet seem to stay behind the bar with this lift. again, i'm not sure what's more effective.

Sounds like trap bar deadlifts and...well, I can't remember the name of the second, but I know what you're talking about. Neither are "true" deadlifts, but, as I said, variations.

The problem with trap bar deadlifts is that it ends up putting your body in a position that is more similar to the squat than a real deadlift. Which isn't necessarily a "problem".

I don't really have a criticism of your second type, other than that it may pose a danger to beginners due to the possibility of uneven loading of the spine/body because of the staggered stance.
 
Some more stuff from that article:

Split Routines, Steroids, and ‘Isolationism’

Split routines first began to rear their ugly little heads sometime in the late 50s or early 60s, around the time that steroid use was really becoming widespread in the bodybuilding and lifting communities. A coincidence? I think not! Heavy, often high-rep, leg and back work is absolutely essential for making size and strength gains drug-free, but let’s face it: heavy leg and back work, properly performed, is positively brutal. Thus, it may not be a complete surprise that when lifters found they could achieve significant increases in muscular size and strength without subjecting themselves to the brutally heavy lifting, they did so. (In their defense, though, it’s worth noting that they didn’t know of the dangerous side effects of the drugs at that time; also, they were taking much lower doses and much fewer varieties of the drugs than are the lifters and bodybuilders of today.)
One of the biggest problems that I have with split routines is that it results in an ‘isolation mentality’. Every effort is made, more often than not, to try to isolate each individual muscle. This practice, by definition, results in a loss of some of the very best drills one could do. The clean-and-press, for instance; should it be trained on back day or shoulder day. But wait, what if you do squat-snatches; is that a leg drill or a back drill; and doesn’t it also involve the shoulders to an extent? The bent press; where do you start with that? Deadlifts; back or legs? High pulls? One-arm dumbbell swings? Dumbbell cleans? Sots presses?

Whole-body routines, if considered at all today, are thought to be appropriate only for beginners. After the first 3-6 months -- perhaps as much as a year -- you have to switch to a split routine if you want to continue to make progress -- or so we‘re led to believe. This is quite absurd. “Back in the day”, as the saying goes, most of the strongest and best-built lifters trained on whole-body routines for the duration of their careers, and made relatively steady progress the entire time -- even setting lifting records that have yet to be broken to this day!
Just enough people made just enough progress on split routines that I assumed the fault for my lack of gains lay within myself -- I must be doing something wrong. And of course I was -- just not what I had thought.

It seems to me that people have always had an interest in the way the super-strong have trained, and the muscle mags have answered that call. In the old days, the big one was Alan Calvert’s ‘Strength’ magazine giving us the goods on Saxon and Sandow and Hackenschmidt, etc. The next big one was Peary Rader’s ‘Ironman’ with Hise, Peoples, Boone, Davis, Anderson, Hepburn, et al. Then came Bob Hoffman’s ‘Strength and Health’ and Park, Grimek, and the champion Olympic lifters of the era: Kono, Schemansky, the George Brothers, and on and on. These physical culture periodicals published the training routines of all the stars, and the information was invaluable to the average lifter because the training methods were based on what worked. Gradually, as the use of steroids became more pronounced, the routines that the champs were using began to change -- and the magazines published those programs. And, as you might expect, the average reader started to emulate these new ’split’ routines, and didn’t get the results that the champs were getting. The problem was that the champs didn’t make it known to the magazines that they were ‘pharmaceutically-assisted’. Thus, the editors of the time were likely as duped as the poor reader. And if the editors did in fact know, it seems that they weren’t telling.

Today, of course, they’re still not talking. Even though it’s a big open secret in the muscle mag industry that most -- okay, probably all -- of the physiques you see pictured in the ‘comics’ were ultimately built with steroids. And the mags are still publishing those split routines, and not mentioning the prerequisite need for boatloads of drugs to make those programs work. And for that, I most certainly do blame Joe Weider and Bob Kennedy and all their ilk. They are selling unattainable dreams to kids and wide-eyed young men; they are selling these poor bastards supplements that won’t work, and cheating them of something that could otherwise have been a very fulfilling and worthwhile pursuit, and they are leading them to failure and disappointment -- and they know it! I personally wasted precious years of my life -- perhaps what might have been my most productive training years, with a system pumped full of raging teenage hormones -- on those ineffectual and pernicious routines. To think how much bigger and stronger I might have been today is almost enough to move me to tears. Would that I knew then … Oh yes, I am still holding this grudge after all these years!


Reliable References

There are precious few periodicals and books out there that are telling you the truth about physical training; you would do well to go out of your way to find them. IronMind’s MILO magazine tops the list, of course. And a couple of now-defunct magazines you should make an effort to get back issues of: Dinosaur Files and HardGainer. (These are just the few that I have personal experience with; there may well be others of which I’m unaware.) To me, it seems very much a shame that some of the most honest and useful magazines are not more well-known, and many typically fold after a relatively short time, while the newsstand ‘glossies’ continue to churn out the same nonsense, month after month!

In terms of books, most of the stuff by Stuart McRoberts is excellent, if a bit conservative. Look for ‘Brawn’ especially (the book that finally got me gaining in size and strength), as well as ‘Beyond Brawn’; his ‘Insider’s Tell-All Handbook on Weight-Training Technique’ is invaluable for learning proper lifting technique. Brooks D. Kubik’s ‘Dinosaur Training’ is outstanding, and a personal favorite; it compelled me to completely re-evaluate my approach to training. Without question, get Pavel’s ‘Power to the People!’ for a ‘simplex’ approach to building strength -- with or without size. Bill Starr’s ‘Strongest Shall Survive’ is also quite good, and has aged very well, thank you; as I’ve been saying -- the methods that work don’t change much. Check out William F. Hinbern’s website www.SuperStrengthBooks.com for a wide assortment of very valuable reading materials: books by and about Saxon, Hackenschmidt, Goerner, Paschall, Berry, Calvert, et al. Almost any of these books would be eminently valuable to you; a wealth of productive training wisdom.


If You Insist on ‘Splitting’…

In my humble opinion, there is really only one type split routine that might be worth discussing -- beyond the lift-splitting example offered in the opening paragraph of this treatise, of course. If you insist on using a split routine, I implore you to consider the upper body/lower body split. This type split was favored by none other than the gargantuan powerhouse Paul Anderson.

One of the very first ‘body part’ split routines, the upper/lower split offers some significant benefits that aren’t found with most of today’s popular splits. First is a much more equal division of the body’s musculature. With the upper/lower split, you are able to emphasize the back and the shoulder girdle in one session, and the hips and legs in the other. The core/midsection could conceivably be trained in each session. In both of these workouts you are training a considerable portion of the body’s muscle mass with heavy weights.

Which leads us to perhaps the most notable and beneficial perk: the potential to use some of the really BIG lifts: the clean-and-press/jerk, the snatch, the one-arm swing all fit nicely into the upper body workout (not necessarily all in one session, of course); the various squats and deadlifts are the obvious choices for the lower body day. Using these big lifts will offer many of the advantages of whole-body routines -- if you use the big lifts. An upper/lower split is fairly worthless if you just fill the program with wimpy little isolation exercises. Naturally, there may occasionally be some overlap of the muscle groups being trained in each session, but this is okay because you probably won’t be training every day (although with proper variation of the intensity and volume, you certainly could; I just wouldn’t recommend it). Typically, if you are training for some size along with your strength, and/or if you are involved in other physical activities, you will do best lifting only two to four days per week. Also, by using the big, multi-joint drills, you are able to get more work done in less time; in other words, you can train all of the involved major musculature with only a small handful of lifts. For example, one-arm dumbbell swings, cleans-and-presses, and the pullover-and-press for the upper body; squats and stiff-legged deadlifts for the lower. Or, even more streamlined for less wasted time and energy: snatches and one-arm standing presses for the upper body, bent-leg deadlifts for the lower.
Upper Body Drills (Back and Shoulder Girdle Emphasis)
- Bent-Arm Pullovers
- Pullover-and-Press
- Snatch, one arm or two
- Clean-and-Press, one arm or two
- Clean-and-Jerk, one arm or two
- Bench Press
- Incline Press
- One-Arm Swings
- Weighted Pull-Ups/Chins
- Bent-Over Rows, one arm or two
- Weighted Dips

Lower Body Drills (Hip and Leg Emphasis)

- Back Squats
- Front Squats
- Straddle Squats
- Deadlifts, one arm or two
- Stiff-Legged/Romanian Deadlifts
- One-Legged Deadlifts
- Hack Squats, with a barbell, of course
- Reverse Deadlifts
- One-Legged Squats
- Spider/Zercher Squats

Again, great info in here. It seems obvious that the information is geared towards the natural hardgainer, looking to gain size and strength naturally.

Everyone has a bias. Full body routines have NEVER failed to put weight on me, while I have just had plain shit luck with split routines. I am an ectomorph (I hate your kind, RSTEIN :D ), and it just plain works for me.
 

RSTEIN

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Mr. Snrub said:
Everyone has a bias. Full body routines have NEVER failed to put weight on me, while I have just had plain shit luck with split routines. I am an ectomorph (I hate your kind, RSTEIN :D ), and it just plain works for me.

Haha, well it's not all good :D My obliques are terrible. When I eat it goes right there. I do side crunches, etc., to work those obliques but they still bother me and nothing seems to make a dent. It's really the last thing to go but I hate it because it reminds me of my former body :mad:
 

Jirotrom

Member
RSTEIN said:
Haha, well it's not all good :D My obliques are terrible. When I eat it goes right there. I do side crunches, etc., to work those obliques but they still bother me and nothing seems to make a dent. It's really the last thing to go but I hate it because it reminds me of my former body :mad:
tons of high intensity cardio will make them go... for some people its just hard... my friend is like you.
 
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Question about pull-ups:

So now that I've started lifting again I've realized just how weak my back is, partly because it's been a while and partly because I neglected it when I lifted in high school (I'm in college now). I've also realized that I'm terrible at pull-ups, so I'm wondering what's better:

- 3x8 assisted pull-ups (a decent amount of assistance required to make it all the way though)
- 3 sets of pull-ups to burnout, ending by hanging for 30 seconds or so once I can't pull up anymore (this would most likely be something like 4 reps, 2 reps, and 2 reps for the 3 sets)
- Use other exercises instead to strengthen my back first until I can do a reasonable amount of pull-ups without assistance
 

MrToughPants

Brian Burke punched my mom
Static bb lunging close to 300lbs for 16 not sure of the exact weight of my barbell though. I do lunges three times a week, as often as I squat, the feeling you get in your legs and ass is so much more than full squats. Also the talus bones in my ankles are fucked up it started early this week. Could it be from standing still for hours on end? There's a clicking noise sometimes too.
 

MrToughPants

Brian Burke punched my mom
Slo said:
That's a hell of a lot to lunge with.

At 18 I was doing around 150lbs that's about 6 years ago. I didn't like doing squats, wide stance to parallel, so I based my leg exercise around lunges.

Also since I did triceps to a lesser extent since my hand is fucked I skipped flat BB bench sub with (45 degree incline 125lb db presses & 140lbs straight bar pullovers) again this week and just did close grip and got an extra rep over what I usually do. My triceps usually have bruises on the medial heads the day after because I do skullcrushers too.

Bed time! chicken wings and chicken breasts are done. :lol
 

BlueTsunami

there is joy in sucking dick
God, standing military presses are the way to go. I graduated from sit down machine, to sit down barbell now to standing barbell. Theres no other way that it should be done, standing freeweights = awesome

Its funny how fish out of water I was when trying to stabilize myself with even light weights. Got way too used to using a machine.
 

satori

Member
BlueTsunami said:
God, standing military presses are the way to go. I graduated from sit down machine, to sit down barbell now to standing barbell. Theres no other way that it should be done, standing freeweights = awesome

Its funny how fish out of water I was when trying to stabilize myself with even light weights. Got way too used to using a machine.

I looooove standing military presses. I too use to do sit downs, and yes machines (bleh!).

When I start doing the M. Presses, I remember I could not raise my arms above my shoulders for days :) Matter of fact had a great work out last night that involved M. Presses :p
 
So it's possible for someone with skinny legs to get them bigger, right? My legs are longer than my torso. I'm about 6'0 tall. My legs are cut. You can see the different quad muscles and there's defintion in my hamstring. Size is just the problem.

Do you think with a proper diet and lifting hard, I can get them to grow?
 
Okay, fuck it. I want to go on weightlifting diet. I'm going to start next week and train hard. I have a few questions:

-I'm 6'0 160 pounds. This is what I look like:

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l300/JackBau3r/002.jpg

Small bone structure, but hey what can you do. I want to gain at least 25-30 pounds.

-How many calories, carbs, and proteins should I be eating a day?

-I really don't want to take supplements. Can I go all natural? Please say yes.

-If the latter (above), i have rice, tuna fish, oatmeal, milk, peanut butter, honey, flaxseed, yoghurt. I eat a variation of chicken and steak with veggies and fruits everyday. I also have all egg whites in a carton. I really don't want to spend a lot of money on foods. Yes, I know that's hard, but anything you can think of that's cheap and has a lot of the nutrients I need, then list them.

-I want to focus on my legs the most. As i've said, I have long legs and a small torso. I want to workout my legs twice a week.

-How many sets and reps should I focus on? They should consist of squats, deadlifts, lunges, and leg presses, right?

-My upper body, I don't need advice on different exercises. I know what's best, but just in case, how many reps and sets should I focus on chest, back, and arms?

So my main focus is getting my legs bigger. They don't have to be tree trunks. I want them nice and big enough where I look good in jeans, lol.

That's all I can remember for now.
 
Milabrega said:
http://www.apple.com/trailers/magnolia/biggerstrongerfaster/trailer/

The trailer for this film seems fitting in this thread. Looks like a documentary on why people take steroids.
That looks fucking stupid. They're equating what Arnold used to what major powerlifters and bodybuilders are using today. :lol

Jason's Ultimatum said:
Okay, fuck it. I want to go on weightlifting diet. I'm going to start next week and train hard. I have a few questions:

-I'm 6'0 160 pounds. This is what I look like:

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l300/JackBau3r/002.jpg

Small bone structure, but hey what can you do. I want to gain at least 25-30 pounds.

-How many calories, carbs, and proteins should I be eating a day?
You should calculate "maintennance" levels of proteins and calories for the bodyweight you want to be at, and eat those levels every single day.
-I really don't want to take supplements. Can I go all natural? Please say yes.
I'm not sure what you mean by "natural." Do you mean you don't want to use supplements, or "supplements"?

-If the latter (above), i have rice, tuna fish, oatmeal, milk, peanut butter, honey, flaxseed, yoghurt. I eat a variation of chicken and steak with veggies and fruits everyday. I also have all egg whites in a carton. I really don't want to spend a lot of money on foods. Yes, I know that's hard, but anything you can think of that's cheap and has a lot of the nutrients I need, then list them.
Buy an extra two cartons of eggs and two jars of natural peanut butter a week. It'll do wonders for an extra ten bucks or so.
-I want to focus on my legs the most. As i've said, I have long legs and a small torso. I want to workout my legs twice a week.

-How many sets and reps should I focus on? They should consist of squats, deadlifts, lunges, and leg presses, right?
Once a week, get your butt in the squat rack, and don't leave until you feel physically ill.
-My upper body, I don't need advice on different exercises. I know what's best, but just in case, how many reps and sets should I focus on chest, back, and arms?
There's no magic numbers for reps and sets, except for 5X5. But, think of it like this for getting big: Back >>>>> Chest >> Arms.
So my main focus is getting my legs bigger. They don't have to be tree trunks. I want them nice and big enough where I look good in jeans, lol.

That's all I can remember for now.
 
Alright, Captain. I appreciate your help, but you're being vague. :D

-When I mean natural, just food. Nothing else.

-Don't leave the squat rack until i'm ill. Well, how many sets and reps should I do?

-Do you have a calorie calculator that could help me determine my calorie intake? Should I eat the amount of protein equal to my body weight or more?

EDIT-I see you wrote 5x5.
 
Jason's Ultimatum said:
Alright, Captain. I appreciate your help, but you're being vague. :D

-When I mean natural, just food. Nothing else.

-Don't leave the squat rack until i'm ill. Well, how many sets and reps should I do?

-Do you have a calorie calculator that could help me determine my calorie intake? Should I eat the amount of protein equal to my body weight or more?

EDIT-I see you wrote 5x5.
--I will look online for a calorie calculator tonight. All of your eating should be for the weight you want, not the weight you have now. So if you weigh 185 and want to weight 215, eat 215 grams of protein, not 185.

--It will be possible to get the cals and protein you need just on real food. Hard, but possible. I'd be more concerned about getting your postworkout nutrition without using suppls. That's when you need the fast-acting stuff, to get right into your body, and that's when I rely on BCAAs and a good postworkout shake.

--Try this for legs:
Back Squats for 5X5
Jump Squats for 5X5
"8 by 3"s [Do each rep with a 10 second negative. 3 reps per set, 8 sets, with 75 seconds between sets. :D ]
 
Captain Glanton said:
--I will look online for a calorie calculator tonight. All of your eating should be for the weight you want, not the weight you have now. So if you weigh 185 and want to weight 215, eat 215 grams of protein, not 185.

--It will be possible to get the cals and protein you need just on real food. Hard, but possible. I'd be more concerned about getting your postworkout nutrition without using suppls. That's when you need the fast-acting stuff, to get right into your body, and that's when I rely on BCAAs and a good postworkout shake.

--Try this for legs:
Back Squats for 5X5
Jump Squats for 5X5
"8 by 3"s [Do each rep with a 10 second negative. 3 reps per set, 8 sets, with 75 seconds between sets. :D ]

Okay, so if my goal is 185 pounds, I should be eating 185g of protein.


What are jump squats? Also, If I do have to take supplements, what was that one item that you told me had like 1 gram of sugar? I remember asking you about this awhile back that.

P.S. So do you think it's possible for my legs to grow, even if they're longer than my torso?
 
I have found a new workout. I do it in my spare bedroom, wearing thermal underwear, a Under Armor "cold gear" turtleneck, sweat pants and sweat shirt, and a knit hat.

--one 5 minute "round" of shadow boxing.

Immediately followed by

--one 5 or 10 minute "round" of using an ab roller, "hefts" of the old box o' books [from the floor to onto one shoulder to the floor to the other shoulder], knuckle pushups on the hardwood floor, going outside to run some sprints, bodyweight squats, lunges. Whatever, just going from one thing to the next as it seems appropriate.

Take 10 minutes or so to catch my breath [I'm asthmatic, so it's hard sometimes], and do it all again.

I've done this two days in a row, and I feel better than I have in years.
 
Jason's Ultimatum said:
Okay, so if my goal is 185 pounds, I should be eating 185g of protein.


What are jump squats? Also, If I do have to take supplements, what was that one item that you told me had like 1 gram of sugar? I remember asking you about this awhile back that.

P.S. So do you think it's possible for my legs to grow, even if they're longer than my torso?
I should have included leg presses. People with very long femurs sometimes do better with leg presses than with barbell squats.

But yes, there's no reason they can't grow. Just don't expect to look like Tom Platz.

Jump squats: Like a regular squat, except that as you come up you jump into the air. It's an explosive movement. And be sure to hang tight onto the bar and pull down on it, unless you want to cut your neck up.
 
Yeah, I don't expect them to get like tree trunks. I want them big, and nice developed where I look good in jeans.

Also, I found this site. It lets you calculate your calorie intake and how much you want to gain:

http://www.freedieting.com/tools/weight_loss_tools.htm

Daily Calorie Intake: 3475

CARBOHYDRATES PROTEIN FATS*
GRAMS PER MEAL 86.4g 35.2g 23g
GRAMS PER DAY 432g 176g 115g

*Saturated fats should make up only 1/3 of this amount.

WHOA. That's A LOT of carbs.

Also, what about that protein powder that has like 1 gram of sugar?
 
Metabolic Drive from Biotest.

It takes carbs to gain mass. And you'll have to prepare yourself to gain some fat, too.

Edit: I'm 5'9 and 215 lbs, give or take, and I doubt that I've ever had 400 grams of carbs in one day, except maybe Christmas Day. Those things always come down to your individual genetics. BTW, I saw the earlier debate about ectomorphs, mesos, and endos. I am the descendant of poor farmers from Scotland and Germany; I highly recommend this if you can manage it.
 
432g. Does that sound about right to you? What foods are high in carbs? Like Rice? I don't think I can even get that much a day.

When I first started using Muscle Milk, I gained 7 pounds in 7 days. :lol
 
I got the genes from my father and his side of the family. everyone is skinny on his side, but I broke the barrier. I'm more muscular and stronger than my father and his brothers, and I know that I can get bigger.

Also, when doing squats, keep your points outward and shoulder length, right? Same with leg presses?

EDIT-Should I do stiff deadlifts? When doing lunges, I do them with dumbells. How far should I extend my legs forward? Also, what about reverse lunges, as in bring your leg back?
 

Jirotrom

Member
I think im going to buy a punching bag soon...I need to use my muscles for more than just racquetball are this will be all a waist.
 
I am going to buy a wrestling dummy and an X-Vest after I move. I can't wait.

Jason's Ultimatum said:
I got the genes from my father and his side of the family. everyone is skinny on his side, but I broke the barrier. I'm more muscular and stronger than my father and his brothers, and I know that I can get bigger.

Also, when doing squats, keep your points outward and shoulder length, right? Same with leg presses?

EDIT-Should I do stiff deadlifts? When doing lunges, I do them with dumbells. How far should I extend my legs forward? Also, what about reverse lunges, as in bring your leg back?
The farther you step when you lunge, the more it works the back of your legs and the less it works the front. Yes, do deadlifts. And I haven't done reverse lunges.

Your foot position should be based on what feels comfortable for you. I put mine outside my shoulders, with toes at about 30 degrees from straight forward.
 
Jason's Ultimatum said:
So when doing lunges, I shouldn't extend my legs too far forward. I want to focus on my quads.
Really, though, you're splitting hairs with a shotgun. Focus on going as heavy as you can on your basic lifts and eating as much as you can. Everything else is details.
 
Captain Glanton said:
Really, though, you're splitting hairs with a shotgun. Focus on going as heavy as you can on your basic lifts and eating as much as you can. Everything else is details.

Gotcha. So do squats, deadlifts, leg presses and lunges all on one day? That'll wear you out.

My workout routine would consist of:

M-Legs
T-Arms
W-Legs
TH-Back
F-Chest

Does that seem alright? One final question, I hope. What are good snacks or small meals I can make that has a lot of calories? Is there any kind of website that has a list of foods that list the nutrients? It's going to be hard for me to try and eat over 3,000 calories. :(
 

Qwerty710710

a child left behind
Jason's Ultimatum said:
Okay, fuck it. I want to go on weightlifting diet. I'm going to start next week and train hard. I have a few questions:

-I'm 6'0 160 pounds. This is what I look like:

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l300/JackBau3r/002.jpg

Small bone structure, but hey what can you do. I want to gain at least 25-30 pounds.

-How many calories, carbs, and proteins should I be eating a day?

-I really don't want to take supplements. Can I go all natural? Please say yes.

-If the latter (above), i have rice, tuna fish, oatmeal, milk, peanut butter, honey, flaxseed, yoghurt. I eat a variation of chicken and steak with veggies and fruits everyday. I also have all egg whites in a carton. I really don't want to spend a lot of money on foods. Yes, I know that's hard, but anything you can think of that's cheap and has a lot of the nutrients I need, then list them.

-I want to focus on my legs the most. As i've said, I have long legs and a small torso. I want to workout my legs twice a week.

-How many sets and reps should I focus on? They should consist of squats, deadlifts, lunges, and leg presses, right?

-My upper body, I don't need advice on different exercises. I know what's best, but just in case, how many reps and sets should I focus on chest, back, and arms?

So my main focus is getting my legs bigger. They don't have to be tree trunks. I want them nice and big enough where I look good in jeans, lol.

That's all I can remember for now.

You already look pretty big, much bigger than me. I don't really know why you want more muscle. I want to look something similar to your body.
 
Yeah, but I'm hoping to be a cop in the near future. I don't want to confront some crazy
6'2'' 250 pound man that would easily man-handle me who could take my gun and kill me. I just want to hit between 180-90 pounds. My legs are what I really want to improve.
 
Jason's Ultimatum said:
Gotcha. So do squats, deadlifts, leg presses and lunges all on one day? That'll wear you out.

My workout routine would consist of:

M-Legs
T-Arms
W-Legs
TH-Back
F-Chest

Does that seem alright? One final question, I hope. What are good snacks or small meals I can make that has a lot of calories? Is there any kind of website that has a list of foods that list the nutrients? It's going to be hard for me to try and eat over 3,000 calories. :(
Snacks: nuts are a very calorie- and protein-dense snack. So are raisins, but they have spoonfuls of [natural] sugar in them.

I'm not a fan of bodypart splits like that. I use an upper/lower split, but certain Simspons-themed posters are big proponents of total body workouts. I might do this:

M: Lower
Tue: Upper Horizontal Plane [bench press, barbell rows for your 'base' lifts]

F: Lower
Sat: Upper Vertical Plane [overhead press, pullups for your 'base' lifts]

You should definitely deadlift, but don't do it on leg day! If I were using the split I've posted here, I might make Wed. a 'deadlift & cardio' day or something.
 

hoverX

Member
Anyone have any comments on the ABS diet? A co worker just bought the book and we are thinking about trying it in a few weeks.
 
hoverX said:
Anyone have any comments on the ABS diet? A co worker just bought the book and we are thinking about trying it in a few weeks.
Their website says you can "turn fat into muscle" in just 6 weeks. That sentence makes my brain hurt.

Frankly, I think you'll be better off reading the thread than a book that promotes itself with stuff like that. Plus it's free.
 

McLovin

Member
Any advice for a big guy trying to loose weight? I work out but I can't get cut anywhere besides my arms. I'm 6'2" 305lbs. I want to get stronger but at the same time loose weight. Whenever I try to do it I end up crashing after like 2 months. And if I loose the weight I usually end up loosing allot of strength. Loosing the weight is my top priority so does anyone have a diet/workout plan that would help me get down to 250lbs(without getting weaker) in a couple of months?
 

Struct09

Member
hoverX said:
Anyone have any comments on the ABS diet? A co worker just bought the book and we are thinking about trying it in a few weeks.

Trendy name aside, the book is at least worth reading. It gives you an idea of the lifestyle change needed to accomplish your goals. If you're just starting out it can be a good guide to lead you in the right direction.
 

Chichikov

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McLovin said:
Any advice for a big guy trying to loose weight? I work out but I can't get cut anywhere besides my arms. I'm 6'2" 305lbs. I want to get stronger but at the same time loose weight. Whenever I try to do it I end up crashing after like 2 months. And if I loose the weight I usually end up loosing allot of strength. Loosing the weight is my top priority so does anyone have a diet/workout plan that would help me get down to 250lbs(without getting weaker) in a couple of months?
The first step is to assess what went wrong in past. You said you tried to get in shape before but always ended up "crashing" after 2 months.
I wish I had some easy effortless steps to getting into shape, I would've been a billionaire, unfortunately, it requires dedication, commitment and sweat.
It is great you want to get into shape, that's the first and most important step, but if you don't learn from your previous mistakes you'll end up in the same place two months from now.
Bah, I feel like Doctor Phil

But to get a bit more practical, if you can post your diet and what exercise equipment you have access to, I'm sure people here can start help you help yourself.

couple more comments -
Losing weight without losing strength is hard, especially as you get older, if your number 1 goal is weight loss (and fast) you may have to live with some temporary degradation of strength (personally I think you should not set goals around weight, but around fitness level, but that's a different story).

Spot fat reduction doesn't work, your body will lose fat where it wants, and it's mostly governed by genetics.
 

yacobod

Banned
i did total body today in the gym

squats

bench press/bent over row super set

weighted dips/preacher curl super set

was pretty fun, left the gym feeling pretty meaty

think i will incorporate this every saturday and keep my split during the week like this

M - legs
T - chest/back
W - bis/tris
Th - shoulders (short workout - 30 min max) mostly cardio
F - off
 

McLovin

Member
Chichikov said:
The first step is to assess what went wrong in past. You said you tried to get in shape before but always ended up "crashing" after 2 months.
I wish I had some easy effortless steps to getting into shape, I would've been a billionaire, unfortunately, it requires dedication, commitment and sweat.
It is great you want to get into shape, that's the first and most important step, but if you don't learn from your previous mistakes you'll end up in the same place two months from now.
Bah, I feel like Doctor Phil

But to get a bit more practical, if you can post your diet and what exercise equipment you have access to, I'm sure people here can start help you help yourself.

couple more comments -
Losing weight without losing strength is hard, especially as you get older, if your number 1 goal is weight loss (and fast) you may have to live with some temporary degradation of strength (personally I think you should not set goals around weight, but around fitness level, but that's a different story).

Spot fat reduction doesn't work, your body will lose fat where it wants, and it's mostly governed by genetics.
I think my biggest mistake was that I was on a strict vegetarian diet. And I was running 3-4 times a week.. I also played DDR for like an hour 3-4 times a week and I was lifting heavy in the gym. The first thing that happened was that I stopped going up in weights because I couldn't go up(my muscles would just give out). Then I couldn't run as far as I use too. Then I just got weak as hell. I did loose weight though.. I was at 350lbs when I started and I mainly did cardio/ate less until I got to 325lbs in one month. At which point I started doing all that stuff at once. Cut out red meat at first.. chicken/soda/juice etc. I ended up at 275lbs in two months. But I always had headaches and was very grumpy. After the crash though I ballooned up to 305lbs. I want to focus on running and eating right I guess. I just hate going to the gym and not hitting the weights :(
 

BlueTsunami

there is joy in sucking dick
Is a vegan diet even compatible with weightlifting? Not too schooled on the nutrition aspect but they seem to be different approaches to being healthy that go in different directions.

Also, it sounds like you went cold turkey on certain food altogether (if you were a meat eater before). That mixed with strenuous workout and cardio, it all seems like too much of a life change at once to really take hold.
 

Chichikov

Member
McLovin said:
I think my biggest mistake was that I was on a strict vegetarian diet. And I was running 3-4 times a week.. I also played DDR for like an hour 3-4 times a week and I was lifting heavy in the gym. The first thing that happened was that I stopped going up in weights because I couldn't go up(my muscles would just give out). Then I couldn't run as far as I use too. Then I just got weak as hell. I did loose weight though.. I was at 350lbs when I started and I mainly did cardio/ate less until I got to 325lbs in one month. At which point I started doing all that stuff at once. Cut out red meat at first.. chicken/soda/juice etc. I ended up at 275lbs in two months. But I always had headaches and was very grumpy. After the crash though I ballooned up to 305lbs. I want to focus on running and eating right I guess. I just hate going to the gym and not hitting the weights :(
Think about it, if you start a more active lifestyle, is your body going to need more or less energy?
This is one of the most common mistakes people make when trying to get into shape, you need to eat better, not less.
From the sound of it, you where overtrained as hell, and 75lbs in two months is a lot.
The fact that you went on a strict vegan diet most likely didn't help either.
 
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