FoxMcChief
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Official: Introducing Xbox Game Pass Core, Coming This September
oji-san
Banned
Thats a big change in price to me if we can't get Gold to GPU tbh, for the last 3 years i paid about 5 GBP per month, and now the only way to get GPU is to pay 17 USD per month? thats like 3 times more.. won't be worth it to me.
The 11 USD option is without online and EA... Hows the no online affect playing? you can't play games like Halo Infinite MP but you can play the campaign? and will games that require online like lets say Outriders will probably won't work?
The more i think about it im probably done with GP and PS Plus.
The 11 USD option is without online and EA... Hows the no online affect playing? you can't play games like Halo Infinite MP but you can play the campaign? and will games that require online like lets say Outriders will probably won't work?
The more i think about it im probably done with GP and PS Plus.
Hey, some of us tried to say it's not straight forward...
If anything, I would expect ppl to push for an annual sub for the other Game Pass plans but...
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
I completely failed in my sarcasm.... :/
Im useless!
I was trying to joke that, why would they announce this price then anytime within the next 12 months raise the price...that would be crazy imo.
mrmustard
Banned
You can also buy Turkey GPU codes and redeem them with a VPN. Should be around 20 Euro/3 months.adamsapple give it to me straight, is it now too late to do the Brazil/Turkey cheap gold, conversion trick? Even if it's no longer 1:1. My GP runs out in March and I'm debating whether to do the loophole again on a new account in August.
The Shepard
Member
This is better than expected from the earlier rumour thread. Same price as gold is now with the option of a yearly sub.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
So it does include the $60 per year - the opposite of what I was thinking. This makes it a good deal indeed.
TheUsual
Gold Member
Didn't even realize Gamepass console never had online MP to begin with. Was thinking that I was seeing an error there but I guess not!
The messaging on this is confusing. They should not have called this Gamepass Core. Should've just stuck with the Xbox Live label.
The messaging on this is confusing. They should not have called this Gamepass Core. Should've just stuck with the Xbox Live label.
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SportsFan581
Member
It helps familiarize paid online players to the game catalog concept as well. I'm sure that they are hoping that after using the little catalog of games some users will opt to expand that catalog for a few dollars more.
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A here’s to me championing it’s failure 
I hate the gamepass model, I dont think it’s good for AAA gaming for anyone but MS.
I hate the gamepass model, I dont think it’s good for AAA gaming for anyone but MS.
and the AAA model isnt healthy for the industry so....A here’s to me championing it’s failure
I hate the gamepass model, I dont think it’s good for AAA gaming for anyone but MS.
Riky
$MSFT
Seems like a small upgrade over Gold, most people will be happy as you're getting a better selection of games.
They really need to bring back the yearly price for Ultimate members though. Makes sense to offer everything under one name so Gold members will understand what Gamepass offers and a proportion will upgrade to Ultimate.
Has anyone said what happens with the old free "Silver" tier? Are free to play games still able to play online for free?
They really need to bring back the yearly price for Ultimate members though. Makes sense to offer everything under one name so Gold members will understand what Gamepass offers and a proportion will upgrade to Ultimate.
Has anyone said what happens with the old free "Silver" tier? Are free to play games still able to play online for free?
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It’s the only model that’s been proven to work throughout the decades… Make quality full priced games, people buy them. Repeat.
The simplicity and genuineness of it all is beautiful
That’s also how you get the best quality games. Not via a subscription service.
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Antwix
Member
How is it confusing?
If you just want multiplayer, get core.
If you want the games on your platform, get console or PC game pass.
If you want multiplayer + games, get ultimate.
Is this really that difficult to understand?
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Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
I see that MS is still trying to upsell that GPU sub.
and yet PC proves the total opposite, the big issue is with one AAA miss step then a studio is doomed
Represent.
Represent(ative) of bad opinions
which is exactly why the traditional model basically ensures higher quality game output.
ByWatterson
Member
This is actually really amazing. I was thinking of dropping Gamepass anyway and just buying a couple multiplayer games I play a lot. Then I'll upgrade to PS+ Extra, which has a much more interesting catalog at this point.
I'll upgrade Gamepass for a month every time a single-player title comes out that I want to play.
Is that sustainable for Microsoft? Who knows. And it honestly feels like they're throwing in the towel a bit and trying to find a way to pump up subs while still getting game sales. They're admitting they need to actually sell games.
I'll upgrade Gamepass for a month every time a single-player title comes out that I want to play.
Is that sustainable for Microsoft? Who knows. And it honestly feels like they're throwing in the towel a bit and trying to find a way to pump up subs while still getting game sales. They're admitting they need to actually sell games.
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Bumblebeetuna
Member
Uh, what? This is false. Most games are not good.
Also it’s very easy to point to games like Redfall but the fact of the matter is most games MS has released day one in GamePass have been good to very good. And most aren’t even service games or loaded with MTX.
Console worriers throwing out crystal ball GamePass predictions will need new narratives eventually.
PharaoTutAnchAmun
Member
For now...but wil it stay $60 in the future??
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Depends how far you're looking at. Nothing remains static forever, so eventually at some point this will increase as well.
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You’d consider Microsoft’s game output over the last decade … good to great?
We will never agree on this then. We’re on two different boats.
Also look at my post history lol. 80% of my posts are shitting on Sony and ugly graphics industry wide
jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
What a mess this is, if I'm being totally honest. I'd say the majority of people who pay for Gold (and not Game Pass) do so just for the online multiplayer. The fact that the second tier doesn't include online multiplayer makes this really fuckin weird. There's a general expectation with pricing tiers that if you choose a higher price tier, that all the benefits of the previous tier follow. Rather than being able to upgrade from "Core" to "Console" and keep multiplayer, you have to upgrade all the way to "Ultimate".
I made a quick edit to something that would have made more sense, if their goal is to convert as many users from "Core" to "Console" as possible. and allowed them to increase the price of regular game pass a bit while they were at it
"Game Pass Console" should be a few bucks more than core, but have the draw of including all the Game Pass library and the Day One titles. Ultimate should be a few dollars more than that, and have the draw of cloud streaming and EA Play (and PC games).
I made a quick edit to something that would have made more sense, if their goal is to convert as many users from "Core" to "Console" as possible. and allowed them to increase the price of regular game pass a bit while they were at it
"Game Pass Console" should be a few bucks more than core, but have the draw of including all the Game Pass library and the Day One titles. Ultimate should be a few dollars more than that, and have the draw of cloud streaming and EA Play (and PC games).
in the age of the internet and nonsensical hate trains, this isnt true
Bumblebeetuna
Member
I said the games they have released day one into GamePass have mostly been good to very good and also aren’t all service games or money grab MTX infested trash like everyone predicted they’d start churning out. You can put whatever qualifier you want on the output for the last decade.
onnextflix5
Member
Seems like a good idea, but all tires should include online multiplayer,
ByWatterson
Member
They're intentionally trying to price people out of full Gamepass and into Core. To sell more games. I'm very, very convinced this is the play.
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Havoc2049
Member
Halo Infinite MP isn't a good example, as it's already free to play, with a season pass and cosmetic micro transaction model for the dev to make money. But MP in games like Sea of Thieves, Forza Horizon 4&5, Gears 5, the upcoming Forza Motorsport, etc., won't be avaliable. This new GP Core is actually a really good deal, especially if your a multiplayer focused gamer who only buys a handful of games a year.
Syphon Filter
Member
AAA gaming is bad in general, its usually boring movie games that have little to no gameplay and micro transaction/drm infested.A here’s to me championing it’s failure
I hate the gamepass model, I dont think it’s good for AAA gaming for anyone but MS.
more like the opposite, steering people TO ultimate for all the bells and whistles and maxmium return, and if you have a decent fibre connection its worth it.
ByWatterson
Member
But all it is is a price increase. I assume most people with Gamepass have Ultimate or Gold already.
The number of people who would like a pretty nice little library and $5 a month is huge. Gamepass simply isn't used enough for most people to justify $17 a month. But $5? Easy sell. And then those customers will pay full price for COD, Starfield, etc.
bender
What time is it?
Rebranding is smart as Game Pass is the future branding that Microsoft will hang their hat on. Rather than the limited game collection, I think it would have been smarter to give subscribers the option for a 48 hour period per month of the full catalog. Seems like that would have been a better way to entice the userbase into trying all Game Pass has to offer and upgrading their subscriptions.
TheUsual
Gold Member
Yeah that makes sense on initial review. Try to push as many users into Core, give them access to a much tighter curated selection and online multiplayer, and hopefully then convert some of those users to Ultimate down the road. And can entice former Ultimate members back as well.
Ultimate came when I bought my Series X. I don't use Gamepass enough to justify it once it expires. I'll probably go down to Core then if I want to play online. Maybe I'll bump up for a day one release if something looks good.
And also as you say : to sell more games. Depending on the user, the cost of the game itself can make more financial sense.
Edited to expand on my thoughts.
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ByWatterson
Member
Right, and sell games full price to those who don't.
There's a donut hole of customers between "Those who want to pay big for Gamepass" and "Those who don't want to buy anything."
You're not going to get $17 a month from that group - the "One or two games per year" group - but you can get $5, and then $70 for COD.
mrmustard
Banned
As much as i love Day1 Game Pass games, i think it would be better for Microsoft to change it to 30 days to get more sales.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
what ?
SkylineRKR
Member
This is better than Gold no doubt, but its worse if you used Gold to convert to GPU. Which probably most Gold buyers did anyway.
Captain Toad
Banned
I guess the main reason to do this is similar to PlayStation naming scheme. To count people paying $60 a year as GamePass and PS+ users.
Still no yearly deal for the actual GamePass (Ultimate), unfortunately. Makes GPU significantly more costly than the others.
Yearly Prices
Nintendo Switch Online $20
GamePass Basic $59.99
PS+ Essential $59.99
NSO + Expansion $65
PS+ Extra $99.99
PS+ Premium $119.99
GamePass Ultimate $203.88
Still no yearly deal for the actual GamePass (Ultimate), unfortunately. Makes GPU significantly more costly than the others.
Yearly Prices
Nintendo Switch Online $20
GamePass Basic $59.99
PS+ Essential $59.99
NSO + Expansion $65
PS+ Extra $99.99
PS+ Premium $119.99
GamePass Ultimate $203.88
8BiTw0LF
Banned
MS buys big publishers and they want you to rent their games. If you want to own your games and play them online you have to pay more now - because MS really needs you to take the next step and submit to a future of renting games.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
But nothing here has changed except XBL being retitled to Game Pass Core. The fee structure and functionality is the same as before.
jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
- Among Us
- Descenders
- Dishonored 2
- Doom Eternal
- Fable Anniversary
- Fallout 4
- Fallout 76
- Forza Horizon 4
- Gears 5
- Grounded
- Halo 5: Guardians
- Halo Wars 2
- Hellblade: Senua’s Sacrifice
- Human Fall Flat
- Inside
- Ori & The Will of the Wisps
- Psychonauts 2
- State of Decay 2
- The Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited
FrankWza
Member
That's fast. If they do it would probably be next year
8BiTw0LF
Banned
We all know what's going to happen. In a year they'll retire 'core' cause everyone are on 'console' or 'PC' - and then they bump up the subscription fee.
What they should've done: Bumped up GwG with monthly quality games - but that doesn't fit in to their big rentpass future.
