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Official Islamic Thread
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good stuff MeowMeow
men marrying more then one woman may have made alot of sense back in them old times but now... I dont really think so, and same for equal rights, in this modern time woman and men should have equal rights no matter what. there's no excuses now.
wow I am a total idiot, how could i forget about Benazir Bhutto being Pakistans prime minister, shame she got assassinated "two weeks before the scheduled Pakistani general election of 2008 where she was a leading opposition candidate."
I spoke with a muslim girl at college and I cant really remember what she said when i asked her about if wearing a headscarf was compulsory but i recal her saying something like wearing a headscaf is a must as its one of the Hadith and that cover your full body is not compulsory. Not really sure on this yet.
men marrying more then one woman may have made alot of sense back in them old times but now... I dont really think so, and same for equal rights, in this modern time woman and men should have equal rights no matter what. there's no excuses now.
wow I am a total idiot, how could i forget about Benazir Bhutto being Pakistans prime minister, shame she got assassinated "two weeks before the scheduled Pakistani general election of 2008 where she was a leading opposition candidate."
I spoke with a muslim girl at college and I cant really remember what she said when i asked her about if wearing a headscarf was compulsory but i recal her saying something like wearing a headscaf is a must as its one of the Hadith and that cover your full body is not compulsory. Not really sure on this yet.
There is a specific verse that says "there is life in other planets"
but i cannot find it.
The evolution/stages of man is supported in this verse:
Surah Nuh (Noah) Verse 14
"And indeed he has created you by various stages"
It is NON compulsatory. My mom and sister do not wear hijab, nor does my friends mom. That is the problem with muslims today, the way islam is being tought (or any other religion for that matter) is through fear and obediance, rather then understanding, love, compassion, and logic.
The Quran also supports how the earth was mostly water in the begining, and water being an essential medium for the advancement of organic molecules, and simple organisms, thought it doesnt use scientific language, it does give you poetic references.
but i cannot find it.
The evolution/stages of man is supported in this verse:
Surah Nuh (Noah) Verse 14
"And indeed he has created you by various stages"
It is NON compulsatory. My mom and sister do not wear hijab, nor does my friends mom. That is the problem with muslims today, the way islam is being tought (or any other religion for that matter) is through fear and obediance, rather then understanding, love, compassion, and logic.
The Quran also supports how the earth was mostly water in the begining, and water being an essential medium for the advancement of organic molecules, and simple organisms, thought it doesnt use scientific language, it does give you poetic references.
lopaz said:
This is a poorly constructed sentence, but I think I get the jist of it. Certainly, in studying religion, questions arise. It is the duty of each person to ask questions, seek knowledge, and use logic when trying to understand religion. If you have doubts, they should be temporary, and resolved through the aforementioned search for knowledge and logic. If the doubt persists, at least with regard to whether God exists, you can't possibly consider yourself to be a "believer." How can you follow anything in the Quran, Bible, or Torah if you're not certain of God's existence? Furthermore, what kind of evidence do you want? "Seeing is believing"?
To have doubts is one thing, as long as you seek to resolve those doubts/questions. But to not be sure of a fundamental concept in all religions of the Book, that God does exist, is something alltogether different. Further, you can't be 99% sure that God exists. Either you believe that God exists, you don't believe that God exists, or you're not sure. To say that you're 99% sure that he exists has absolutely no meaning.
This is fascinating.
Who knows, maybe God created another planet that has some other form of life and they have their own prophets.
Maybe after the trumpet sounds and all humans die, God will send other creatures similar to humans to earth.
Judgement day doesn't have to take place right after everyone dies. It might take place a day after everyone dies or maybe a a million years. Who knows??
Who knows, maybe God created another planet that has some other form of life and they have their own prophets.
Maybe after the trumpet sounds and all humans die, God will send other creatures similar to humans to earth.
Judgement day doesn't have to take place right after everyone dies. It might take place a day after everyone dies or maybe a a million years. Who knows??
CHYME said:
Apologies for my crappy sentence. Anyhoos, I know people who, when I argue that religion is illogical, will say "I can't argue against what you're saying, but I just have a strong feeling that God is there". So I guess their position is that even thought it may seem illogical given their current knowledge, feel strongly about it so believe that there is a logical explanation that hasn't been thought of yet, or something. I would say those people are firmly religious, but they will say they aren't sure if their feeling is correct. While I think they are misguided, I wouldn't say they aren't religious
muslims, what if you're wrong?
muslims, do you think that because of the crusades, the christian religion influenced mohammed into coming up with the islamic religion just like Scientology??
muslims, what religious icon did you worship before Mohammed's rise to power?
also,why are muslims cockblocking me from this muslim chick whom Im just friends with?
Im not trying to seduce her or anything at all.
what happens to gay muslims? are they still considered muslims?? do gay muslims practice their religion even though they're castigated?
muslims, what is the meaning of life?
muslims, why is there so much violence in this world?
muslims, whats your opinion about the newly converted muslim into the forsaken child molesting religion known as catholicism?
muslims, do you think that because of the crusades, the christian religion influenced mohammed into coming up with the islamic religion just like Scientology??
muslims, what religious icon did you worship before Mohammed's rise to power?
also,why are muslims cockblocking me from this muslim chick whom Im just friends with?
Im not trying to seduce her or anything at all.
what happens to gay muslims? are they still considered muslims?? do gay muslims practice their religion even though they're castigated?
muslims, what is the meaning of life?
muslims, why is there so much violence in this world?
muslims, whats your opinion about the newly converted muslim into the forsaken child molesting religion known as catholicism?
Yes, marrying more than woman is very uncommon now and its highly discouraged, but it is still allowed just incase of extreme and unusual circumstances. It is not used for sexual desires and social status.
Women should have equal rights to men, but women have a long way to go, i think we will eventually reach their, but i also think there is no such thing as absolute equality between the sexes, considering that there has to be some sexual distinction. Also You cannot achieve equal rights without creating double/triple standards against the sexes. For example if you had a woman boss who got angry for something that was not going right, she would automatically be labeled as a bitch, because women are 'supposed' to be nicer then men and more empathetic, but if men were to show the same level of care as women they would be labeled weak, or even labeled gay in a derogitory way with negative conotation...
We could create a whole thread on equality between genders,..but just trying to make a point.
This was posted in the Christian free will-thread but I think it is interesting enough to be posted her as well:
Creating evil and then souls that he know will sin and as a result burn in hell.
It makes God sound kinda sadistic doesn't it?
The angels can't disobey him, which means that he intentionally created Lucifer so that he would become the fallen one, Satan, and therefore God is the sole creator of evil.Flo_Evans said:
Creating evil and then souls that he know will sin and as a result burn in hell.
It makes God sound kinda sadistic doesn't it?
DemonSwordsman
Banned
Verano said:
WTF. is it possible to be this stupid?
You dont need to guess because its true. It is not difficuilt for God to create and destroy life. That is one of the arguments that i use against christians who view Jesus as the only begotten son of God. Now christians have stated that muslims consider 'son' in a literal biological sense, and is not to be taken seriously in the same way as the bible states that jesus is the lamb of god (doesnt mean he is a lamb)
Jesus is considired just another formation of God, in the same way as water appears in 3 different forms: liquid, steam, ice.
I guess i can sort of buy that, but if thats the case why not view moses and all the other prophets before jesus as the lamb and son of god?
The argument that i use is lets say there is another planet called VULCAN.
In that planet he chooses a virgin woman out of all the women in the world, and he delivers a message through her that she will give birth to a child without the touch of a man. So then she gives birth, does that mean that child is a sibling of jesus, and another child of God? What if that child was female? Does that mean she is the daughter of God? Does that mean she is the step sister of jesus (an alien one)?
Beleiving so will destroy the basic fundemental concept of trinity, and instead create QUATERNARY, and for that you will have to rewrite the entire bible.
But the Quran refers to Jesus as a prophet (but indeed the messiah) and human the same way as muhammad,moses,david,jacob and all the other prophets, and that child would be referred to as a prophet for that particular planet and species.
So finding intelligent life in another planet is another indirect way of acknowledging Gods existence because it will verify that God speaks..
HotByCold said:
Lucifer (Satan) is NOT an angel. In the Quran it is revealed that he is a highly ranked Jinn (demon). Jinns, angels and humans are all created by God. Angels are created from light, humans from water and soil, and Jinns from fire.
ALL angels obey God no matter what. Jinns have free will. They can either obey or disobey God, just like humans. So, when Satan disobeyed God it was because he is a Jinn.
I can talk more about Jinn if you want me.
Lucifer/satan is not an angel but a Jinn in the Quran, he is referred to as the great teacher of the angels. Jinns are not the same level as angels. They are fire creatures at the same level as us (who make mistakes and disobey).
Angels in christianity appear white female like, but they are nuder creatures made of blinding light (even stronger then the sun). The wings of the angels are not like bird feather wings, they are massive and big as the sky horizon (that is the way prophet muhammad described when he first saw angel gabriel)
There are more angels then there are humans by the way.
pewye said:
After the Adam Eve incident.
Additionally, human was brought to God and he told every single thing about the universe. Then God asked Satan to bow to Human, the Satan refused. Then from that they forth the people who disobey God will go to hell...
Also Jinns can be Muslim as well... So that means that can there be Muslims on other planets out there.
what happens to gay muslims? are they still considered muslims?? do gay muslims practice their religion even though they're castigated?
Im a gay muslim, and here is what i think about it:
I wrote this rant in another forum a while ago (i was very pissed off in the people who i was dealing with)
Im a gay muslim, and here is what i think about it:
I wrote this rant in another forum a while ago (i was very pissed off in the people who i was dealing with)
If you are gay and trying to become straight (it is tough and takes years to do that) then I think it is ok.
The question is, what if someone is gay and found it impossible to become straight. But he never has sex with other men. Does that still make him gay? And would he be punished?
The question is, what if someone is gay and found it impossible to become straight. But he never has sex with other men. Does that still make him gay? And would he be punished?
God does not create people just for the sake of sinning and throwing them to hell. They are pretty much sinless until they reach the age of reason and make choices for themselves. The arugment that i present is that homosexuality is not really a choice, i think its inherited. Some muslims argue that you may have homosexual thoughts and that is ok, but the act of homosexuality is a sin. Whatever the case i dont really know, but i have thought long and hard about it, and i have struggled with it. I think im gay and there is no real cure. I have waisted enough time worrying about what others think of what God is going to do to me, and focus more on how God loves me, and how i can do my best to serve his purpse.
Thats dismissing gay people, and there are gay muslims whether you like it or not. You have the RIGHT to beleive that homosexuality is wrong, but no one has the right to condem other people (any person) in the name of God, or call them non muslim. A persons deeds and action is exclusively dealth by God and God alone. God declares himself the best judge out of all the judgers that we know. No one will be wronged the least, and every good and bad dead will be accounted for no matter who you are. He will judge every living thing that he created (no matter how miniscule) In him i trust fully.
lopaz said:
There's no doubt that people like this exist. I referred to them as followers of blind faith. What's the significance of labeling them as religious? If religious is an adjective to describe those who adhere to a religion, they may be religious, though not necessarily. But so what? This was never my point. I stated the following:
And in the next post, I stated the following:
Now, if you're implying that doubts of whether God exists is the same as the inability of the average person, who may not be educated or well-informed, to make a convincing argument about a particular debate, I have to tell you that you're way off base. The belief that God exists is the foundation of the three religions of the book. Without this foundation, following these religions is baseless.
PhlegmMaster
Banned
I have to say that Hadji is my favorite Muslim on this forum. He seems to be the only one who refrains from using Al-taqiyya (lying to non-Muslims) to protect Islam's oh so precious reputation.
Same way there can be a gay christian/jew/bhuddist/hindu/athiest.
Dude , there are people who are REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY gay. They are beyond gay, and im not just talking about feminite men, i am talking about butch bulldyke lesbos.
Ive met people like that, and they have raised gay to a new level
If you dont think homosexuality is right, then WHAT IS YOUR SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM?
Pretty much what you said. I'm not going to judge anyone.Zapages said:
Back onto the topic of Other Planets, I read that there are creatures living on these planets, but I'm not sure if this is true or not, it also says that these creatures will come to the earth one day. I found that in a google search.
I've heard lots of Jinn stories. A friend of mine has an aunt who lives in Pakistan. They were sleeping and during the night this toy doll gets up and starts walking around her bed chanting something about the Devil. I'm not sure if that's how it went or not because it's my friend, but he rarely lies.Zapages said: