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[Instigator]

Roman Catholicism and Islam are so similar to me that I wouldn't mind being a Muslim or being called one. Even though I have learned a great deal from Islam and other wisdom traditions, there is only one reason I haven't converted, Jesus of Nazareth. He's a badass. :lol

You're possibly opening a can of worms with that statement.

In any case, Islam appears much more demanding and conservative to me than Roman Catholicism.

 

[GSG Flash]

<3 Himu. May Allah Bless You

If you go to a college/uni check if there are any Islamic clubs because they usually have a place ready for prayer. Also if you want to learn to pray find a muslim student on your campus that knows how to pray, they'll teach you since there are no mosques near your school.

Edit: Don't know if this will help in finding a mosque or not but give it a shot anyways

http://www.salatomatic.com/

I wish I knew about this site earlier, there's so many halal restaurants I never knew about :/

 

[Kipz]

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,589954,00.html

Good for him. Freedom of speech shouldn't be infringed upon because of religion.

 

[DarkWish]

Congrats Himuro and welcome to Islam! May Allah bless you.

I need to get out of the gaming discussion forum more, I never even ventured into the Off-Topic discussions much before lol.

 

[Instigator]

It's not like Jesus isn't believed in Islam. He's a badass in Islam as well.

Substantially less so.

The pussy wouldn't even take it like a man and die on the cross

 

[Azih]

Roman Catholicism and Islam are so similar to me that I wouldn't mind being a Muslim or being called one.

I don't know about that, there is a level of organization in Catholicism that no part of Islam gets even close to.

Hell the person in charge of most mosques is the guy who volunteers the most there.

 

[SoulPlaya]

I don't think I've ever met a black muslim even though they're the biggest muslim group in America. Where are my black Muslims? =/ Is it because I'm from Houston and not Cali, New York, or Chicago?

That's the reason, but the NoI isn't really islam, it has few things in common with real Islam actually.

 

[Linkhero1]

I don't think I've ever met a black muslim even though they're the biggest muslim group in America. Where are my black Muslims? =/ Is it because I'm from Houston and not Cali, New York, or Chicago?

Here in Cali, there are plenty of black muslims.

 

[SoulPlaya]

Uh.

I didn't bring up NoI. NoI isn't even relevant anymore. I was talking about orthodox muslims.

Oh ok, sorry. I live in Chicago, so here black muslims=NoI.

 

[Linkhero1]

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/10/farewell-americas-imam/

holy crap I didn't even know.

Right when I'm reading through Autobiography of Malcolm X again too.

 

[Instigator]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/world/europe/19shariah.html?_r=1&hp=&pagewanted=all

LONDON — The woman in black wanted an Islamic divorce. She told the religious judge that her husband hit her, cursed her and wanted her dead.

But her husband was opposed, and the Islamic scholar adjudicating the case seemed determined to keep the couple together. So, sensing defeat, she brought our her secret weapon: her father.

In walked a bearded man in long robes who described his son-in-law as a hot-tempered man who had duped his daughter, evaded the police and humiliated his family.

The judge promptly reversed himself and recommended divorce.

This is Islamic justice, British style. Despite a raucous national debate over the limits of religious tolerance and the pre-eminence of British law, the tenets of Shariah, or Islamic law, are increasingly being applied to everyday life in cities across the country.

The Church of England has its own ecclesiastical courts. British Jews have had their own “beth din” courts for more than a century.

But ever since the archbishop of Canterbury, the Most Rev. Rowan Williams, called in February for aspects of Islamic Shariah to be embraced alongside the traditional legal system, the government has been grappling with a public furor over the issue, assuaging critics while trying to reassure a wary and at times disaffected Muslim population that its traditions have a place in British society.

Boxed between the two, the government has taken a stance both cautious and confusing, a sign of how volatile almost any discussion of the role of Britain’s nearly two million Muslims can become.

“There is nothing whatever in English law that prevents people abiding by Shariah principles if they wish to, provided they do not come into conflict with English law,” the justice minister, Jack Straw, said last month. But he added that British law would “always remain supreme,” and that “regardless of religious belief, we are all equal before the law.”

Conservatives and liberals alike — many of them unaware that the Islamic courts had been functioning at all, much less for years — have repeatedly denounced the courts as poor substitutes for British jurisprudence.

They argue that the Islamic tribunals’ proceedings are secretive, with no accountability and no standards for judges’ training or decisions.

Critics also point to cases of domestic violence in which Islamic scholars have tried to keep marriages together by ordering husbands to take classes in anger management, leaving the wives so intimidated that they have withdrawn their complaints from the police.

“They’re hostages to fortune,” said Parvin Ali, founding director of the Fatima Women’s Network, a women’s help group based in Leicester. Speaking of the courts, she said, “There is no outside monitoring, no protection, no records kept, no guarantee that justice will prevail.”

But as the uproar continues, the popularity of the courts among Muslims has blossomed.

Some of the informal councils, as the courts are known, have been giving advice and handing down judgments to Muslims for more than two decades.

Yet the councils have expanded significantly in number and prominence in recent years, with some Islamic scholars reporting a 50 percent increase in cases since 2005.

Almost all of the cases involve women asking for divorce, and through word of mouth and an ambitious use of the Internet, courts like the small, unadorned building in London where the father stepped in to plead his daughter’s case have become magnets for Muslim women seeking to escape loveless marriages — not only from Britain but sometimes also from Denmark, Ireland, the Netherlands and Germany.

Other cases involve disputes over property, labor, inheritances and physical injury. The tribunals stay away from criminal cases that might call for the imposition of punishments like lashing or stoning.

Indeed, most of the courts’ judgments have no standing under British civil law. But for the parties who come before them, the courts offer something more important: the imprimatur of God.

“We do not want to give the impression that Muslims are an isolated community seeking a separate legal system in this country,” said Shahid Raza, who adjudicates disputes from an Islamic center in the West London suburb of Ealing.

“We are not asking for criminal Shariah law — chopping of hands or stoning to death,” he continued. “Ninety-nine percent of our cases are divorce cases in which women are seeking relief. We are helping women. We are doing a service.”

Still, there is ample room for clashes with British custom. Three months ago, for example, a wealthy Bangladeshi family asked Dr. Raza’s council to resolve an inheritance dispute. It was resolved according to Shariah, he said. That meant the male heirs received twice as much as the female heirs.

Courts in the United States have endorsed Islamic and other religious tribunals, as in 2003, when a Texas appeals court referred a divorce case to a local council called the Texas Islamic Court.

But Shariah has been rejected in the West as well.

The Canadian province of Ontario had allowed rabbinical courts and Christian courts to resolve some civil and family disputes with binding rulings under a 1991 law. But when the Islamic Institute on Civil Justice there tried to create a Shariah court, it was attacked as a violation of the rights of Muslim women.

As a result, Ontario changed the entire system in 2006 to strip the rulings of any religious arbitration of legal validity or enforceability.

In Britain, beth din courts do not decide whether a Jewish couple’s marriage should end. They simply put their stamp of approval on the dissolution of the marriage when both parties agree to it. The beth din also adheres to the rules of Britain’s 1996 Arbitration Act and can function as an official court of arbitration in the consensual resolution of other civil disputes, like inheritance or business conflicts.

“People often come to us for reasons of speed, cost and secrecy,” said David Frei, registrar of the London Beth Din. “There’s nothing to prevent Muslims from doing the same thing.”

In Britain’s Islamic councils, however, if a wife wants a divorce and the husband does not, the Shariah court can grant her unilateral request to dissolve the marriage.

Most Shariah councils do not recognize the Arbitration Act, although Mr. Straw has been pushing them in recent months to do so. The main reason for their opposition is that they do not want the state involved in what they consider to be matters of religion.

The conflict over British Shariah courts comes at a time when Islamic principles are being extended to other areas of daily life in Britain.

There are now five wholly Islamic banks in the country and a score more that comply with Shariah.

An insurance company last summer began British advertising for “car insurance that’s right for your faith” because it does not violate certain Islamic prohibitions, like the one against gambling.

Britain’s first Shariah-compliant prepaid MasterCard was begun in August.

Here in London, Suhaib Hasan’s “courtroom” is a sparsely furnished office of the Islamic Shariah Council in Leyton, a working-class neighborhood in the eastern corner of the city. It has no lawyers or court stenographer, no recording device or computer, so Dr. Hasan takes partial notes in longhand.

“Please, will you give him another chance?” he asked the woman in black who was seeking divorce — that is, before she brought in the weighty voice of her father.

“No, no!” the woman, a 24-year-old employment consultant who had come seeking justice from 200 miles away, replied. “I gave him too many chances. He is an evil, evil man.”

“I’ll give you one month’s time to try to reconcile,” Dr. Hasan ruled.

Then her father tipped the scales.

“He was not a cucumber that we could cut open to know that he was rotten inside,” the father testified. “The only solution is divorce.”

Apparently convinced, Dr. Hasan said he would recommend divorce at the London Central Mosque, where he and several other religious scholars meet once a month to give final approval to cases like this.

Dr. Hasan, a silver-bearded, Saudi-educated scholar of Pakistani origin, handles the Pakistani community; an Egyptian ministers to the ethnic Arab community, while a Bangladeshi and a Somali work with their own communities.

The council in Leyton is one of the oldest and largest courts in the country. It has been quietly resolving disputes since 1982 and has dealt with more than 7,000 divorce cases.

Under some interpretations of Islamic law, a woman needs the blessing of a scholar of Islamic jurisprudence to be divorced, while a man can simply say three times that he is divorcing his wife.

Dr. Hasan counsels women that they must have their civil marriages dissolved in the British civil system.

“We always try to keep the marriages together, especially when there are children,” said Dr. Hasan’s wife, Shakila Qurashi, who works as an unofficial counselor for women.

If the husband beats her, she should go to the police and have a divorce, Ms. Qurashi said. “But if he’s slapped her only once or something like that,” she said, “and he admits he has made a mistake and promised not to do it again, then we say, ‘You have to forgive.’ ”

One recent afternoon, the waiting room was full of women and their family members.

A Pakistan-born 33-year-old mother of five explained that her husband would beat her and her children. “He threatens to kill us,” she said, as her daughter translated from Urdu. “He calls me a Jew and an infidel.” Dr. Hasan told her to immediately get police protection and request an Islamic divorce.

Another woman, 25, wanted out of a two-year-old arranged marriage with a man who refused to consummate the relationship. Dr. Hasan counseled dialogue.

“Until we see the husband,” he said, “we can’t be sure that what you’re saying is true.”

 

[kobashi100]

anybody else see this today

Hizb ut-Tahrir accepts the challenge posed by Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani, that if some one can solve the problems of Pakistan, then he should come forward. Pakistan has two main problems, the capitalist system and corrupt and cowered leadership. Hizb ut-Tahrir has the capability to implement Islam’s economic, judicial, education, social systems and Islam’s foreign policy through Islam’s unique political system i.e. the Khilafah. Also Hizb ut-Tahrir has the capable leadership in shape of its Ameer Shaikh Atta Bin Khalil Abu Rashta and its Leadership Committee. This leadership is fully aware of international politics as well as the minutest details of the Islamic system. Shaikh Atta Bin Khalil Abu Rashta has been struggling in this cause for more than three decades. Before becoming the Ameer of the Hizb, he as a spokesman of the party was arrested on several occasions. He is well known throughout the world especially amongst the political, social and media circles. Once he becomes the Khaleefah he has the capability to unite the Arabs and ‘Ajums under his leadership. Hizb ut-Tahrir’s track record proves the fact that Hizb has continued to account the rulers and never compromised on its goal or method even though the rulers employed various methods of alluring and pressurizing the party such as banning it and killing its members. This is the reason that today the demand for the establishment of an Islamic state has become the voice of the entire Muslim Ummah.

After the establishment of the Khilafah, Hizb ut-Tahrir will replace the current secular constitution with a new constitution based on Quran and Sunnah. In this new constitution Allah and his Messenger’s (SAAW) commands will not require the approval of the majority to become the law of the land. All subjugative taxes including GST, with-holding tax and toll tax will be abolished. Oil, gas, electricity and all the natural resources will be declared public property and every citizen of the state will get them on its cost-price. To stop American aggression on Pakistan all supplies to American and NATO forces in Afghanistan will be cut-off. Bidding farewell to the United Nations Organization it will initiate its struggle to unify all the Muslim lands under a single leadership. Under this policy it will mobilize its forces to eject US from Afghanistan and annex it with the Khilafah. Basic needs of all the citizens shall be met by the state. The current dual-educational system will be abolished and a single basic educational system will be available to all the citizens for free. Unclaimed land will be distributed to landless peasants. Colonial judicial system will be abolished and Islamic judicial system will be introduced whereby people will get speedy justice free of cost. Prime Minister Gilani’s admission is a clear proof of the failure of the capitalist system and current political leadership. Hizb ut-Tahrir calls upon the sincere elements in the military to stop their support for the present cowardly political and military leadership and help Hizb ut-Tahrir in order to establish the Khilafah and get Pakistan out of the humiliating slavery of America and seek the pleasure of Allah the All Mighty.

Shahzad Shaikh
The Deputy Spokesman of Hizb-ut-Tahrir in Pakistan

Date: 19th Ziqa’ad 1429 AH
No: PR08044
17th Nov 2008 CE

 

[Instigator]

Sounds like islamic communism.

 

[Instigator]

We should post more news here, it's true.

Glad you agree, here's a more ambiguous yet sensasionalist newsstory:

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNe...r_rugs_081119/20081119?hub=TopStories&s_name=

The most popular item on the auction block Wednesday was a rug depicting the 9/11 attack on the Twin Towers, says an official with Ritchies Auctioneers.

The online auction closed at 2 p.m. and the rug, titled "Twin Towers Attack" fetched $450. The item drew the most response, said Duncan Blair, Ritchies' rug and carpet specialist.

The item also sparked a couple of angry emails from viewers, Blair said. However, he also said he heard from people who understood that Afghani weavers traditionally use images of war in their tapestries.

Blair said there is an entire genre of rugs that were made with images of 9/11.

"To take (the rug) out of its context is much more shocking," he said. "When you see it beside other rugs that have mission artillery helicopters, you see that they're just showing us war the way they see it."

He pointed to other rugs that are also up for auction in the exhibit: "Afghan War Rugs and Ephemera" as an example.

Several rugs have scenes of military tanks in Herat, an Afghani village attacked by the Soviets in 1979. Many of these have a picture of the Great Friday Mosque in Herat woven into it -- a symbol of the strength of Islam in Afghanistan.

On the Richies' website, there is a brief introduction to the exhibit that explains the tradition of war images in Afghani tapestries.

"Afghan weavers have always depicted on their rugs what they see around them and what matters most to them," it says. "Thus on some Afghan rugs over the past three decades of military chaos, customary images of flowers have turned into bullets, or landmines, or hand grenades. Birds have turned into helicopters and fighter jets. Landscapes have filled up with field guns and troop carriers. Sheep and horses have turned into tanks. The group of war rugs offered here recounts this history."

Blair said the site of the twin towers being hit has become an "iconic image."

The World Trade Centre site is woven into the rugs with two planes crashing into sides of the twin towers. In the picture, the buildings have started to explode. The date of the attack is woven at the top of the tapestry. At the bottom, the artist wove "Made in Afghanistan."

Blair said he doubts the "Made in Afghanistan" signage was added on as an ironic statement or a political message about the war. Afghanistan is seen as the original base for Al Qaeda, the international Sunni Islamist movement behind the attacks.

"Most of (the artisans) are illiterate," he said. "I can't imagine that's the intention, seeing where it came from. There are other rugs that say 'Made in Afghanistan' as well."

 

[AmMortal]

Learning to pray is tough. I've memorized a few things so far. I'll ask some questions regarding prayer later.

Man, Himu.

You really did it.

Congratulations, and I can now officially call you my brother

See you in Jannah inshaAllah.

 

[Yazan]

Welcome back Am Why were you banned?


And congrats Himu, I write it here instead of that clusterfuck of a thread you created.

 

[AmMortal]

Welcome back Am Why were you banned?


And congrats Himu, I write it here instead of that clusterfuck of a thread you created.

Because I did something stupid

 

[Yazan]

Like?

Is it your third or fourth time?:lol

 

[AmMortal]

Like?

Is it your third or fourth time?:lol

I don't know, I've lost count.

Usually, it's some sort of misunderstanding. I have a problem with coming over clearly.

Mod sees it, thinks it to be sinister, and boom. Also, here at gaf, there's no "appeal" mechanism, or warnings ( as far as I know). So, you won't have a chance to explain things.

I've decided to refrain from posting often.

 

[Instigator]

Because I did something stupid

Your guitar invention statement was stupid. I don't think it was ban worthy though.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

How do you convert? And where do you go for guidance about something like that?

I would really like to learn more

 

[AmMortal]

How do you convert? And where do you go for guidance about something like that?

I would really like to learn more

Converting is easy,

There is only one thing you have to do.

Witness the Oneness and Uniqueness of God. And Witness the truth of the man who carried the message, in this case Muhammad.

Saying it, where ever, when ever. Is enough.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

Converting is easy,

There is only one thing you have to do.

Witness the Oneness and Uniqueness of God. And Witness the truth of the man who carried the message, in this case Muhammad.

Saying it, where ever, when ever. Is enough.

I understand. still I would like to learn much more about the true Islam

living in the US is really a difficult place to start to explore this.

 

[besada]

Did anyone post yet that the Holy Land foundation was found guilty in Dallas of funneling money to terrorist groups (Hamas)?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/25/us/25charity.html?ref=us

 

[AmMortal]

I understand. still I would like to learn much more about the true Islam

living in the US is really a difficult place to start to explore this.

I'll PM you

 

[Smiles and Cries]

thanks

 

[Instigator]

Did anyone post yet that the Holy Land foundation was found guilty in Dallas of funneling money to terrorist groups (Hamas)?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/25/us/25charity.html?ref=us

No, but your story will likely be ignored anyway.

 

[AmMortal]

No, but your story will likely be ignored anyway.

No it won't, the reason why I didn't reply to it, was because I felt like I didn't have the proper comprehension of what's going on in that article, to comment on it.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

Smiles and Cries: To convert you say an "oath" that you believe in one God and that Muhammad was his last messenger in front of two Muslim witnesses.

this thread has been really helpful.

 

[AmMortal]

Smiles and Cries: To convert you say an "oath" that you believe in one God and that Muhammad was his last messenger in front of two Muslim witnesses.

Actually akhi, you don't even need the two witnesses. But, you are right it is prefered and encouraged.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

To be honest, I almost converted when I left High School but I balked at not eating Pork since it is a main staple of food in my Culture. I did not think I could give it up.

I'm not 35 and much more mature so I would like to learn how Islam views Jesus and the relations between them.

I'm watching the Youtube videos linked in this thread

 

[besada]

No, but your story will likely be ignored anyway.

It's not really "my" story, although I happen to live in the area and know quite a few Muslims here. I posted it in PoliGAF without much notice, which I found strange, as it seems a particularly important political issue.

The issue is complicated by the fact that Hamas is both a terrorist organization and a community charity. The last time I remember this sort of situation was the IRA/Sinn Fein situation in the 80's, where Irish-Americans donated heavily to Sinn Fein, the political wing of the IRA.

What I don't remember is a trial wherein foundations collecting for the Sinn Fein, who were funneling money to the IRA, were found guilty of money laundering for terrorists. They were guilty of it, but the defense that the money was going to support the widows and children of IRA prisoners seemed acceptable then, but not acceptable now.

Whether that's due to 9/11 and the fact that it was the U.S. getting bombed instead of Northern Ireland and Britain, or due to the fact that one set of terrorists were Irish Catholics and the second set were Muslims, I genuinely don't know.

Anyway, I thought this thread might find it interesting.

 

[AmMortal]

To be honest, I almost converted when I left High School but I balked at not eating Pork since it is a main staple of food in my Culture. I did not think I could give it up.

I'm not 35 and much more mature so I would like to learn how Islam views Jesus and the relations between them.

I'm watching the Youtube videos linked in this thread

1. Jesus was the only and true Messiah.
2. Son of Mary, who carried him by herself, in Islam, there is no joseph to help her.
3. Jesus, by the will of God, raises the dead, heals the sick, and even breathes life into birds made of clay, the later not narrated in the christian scriptures. Yet, he is still a human, God showing us, what is possible with His help.
4. He did not die, on the cross, he did not suffer, he was not forsaken, he was not humiliated, but was ascended, with body and soul to place only God knows.
There is only one difference,and that is the crucifiction.

 

[agrajag]

3. Jesus, by the will of God, raises the dead,

:lol

 

[AmMortal]

:lol

Okay, okay we get it. You're one of the cool kids, we're not.


Just leave us to it okay?

 

[Smiles and Cries]

1. Jesus was the only and true Messiah.
2. Son of Mary, who carried him by herself, in Islam, there is no joseph to help her.
3. Jesus, by the will of God, raises the dead, heals the sick, and even breathes life into birds made of clay, the later not narrated in the christian scriptures. Yet, he is still a human, God showing us, what is possible with His help.
4. He did not die, on the cross, he did not suffer, he was not forsaken, he was not humiliated, but was ascended, with body and soul to place only God knows.
There is only one difference,and that is the crucifiction.

So in Islam he never went to the cross?

Also he is not God?

one thing about my reading today is how closed Christians are to any other religion. Yet Islam hold Isa in such high regard.

 

[AmMortal]

So in Islam he never went to the cross?

Also he is not God?

one thing about my reading today is how closed Christians are to any other religion. Yet Islam hold Isa in such high regard.

I swear, we boast on how we love Jesus more then the Christians

No he is not God, he is the Messenger of God, Jesus never went on the cross, we believe that either of the two happened:

1. Judas was in his place.
2. An illusion, sort of alteration of mind for the people at the present there.

Even if you look at the gospels, it says that the disciples forsook him and fled.

Here could the possibility occur, that, they knew about who it was in actuality, that was on the cross.


That's why Allah says in the Qur'an:

But they killed him not, Nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not.

Pointing out the fact, that no one was sure of what happened. and that the people just assumed it to be Jesus. The disciples weren't there, to attest to the truth of whether that was jesus or not.

 

[Instigator]

It's not really "my" story, although I happen to live in the area and know quite a few Muslims here. I posted it in PoliGAF without much notice, which I found strange, as it seems a particularly important political issue.

The issue is complicated by the fact that Hamas is both a terrorist organization and a community charity. The last time I remember this sort of situation was the IRA/Sinn Fein situation in the 80's, where Irish-Americans donated heavily to Sinn Fein, the political wing of the IRA.

What I don't remember is a trial wherein foundations collecting for the Sinn Fein, who were funneling money to the IRA, were found guilty of money laundering for terrorists. They were guilty of it, but the defense that the money was going to support the widows and children of IRA prisoners seemed acceptable then, but not acceptable now.

Whether that's due to 9/11 and the fact that it was the U.S. getting bombed instead of Northern Ireland and Britain, or due to the fact that one set of terrorists were Irish Catholics and the second set were Muslims, I genuinely don't know.

Anyway, I thought this thread might find it interesting.

No, no, I totally get that. I am just making an observation that this thread has a tendency to skip over negative stories, unless it is something that directly attacks Islam. Otherwise, it will be ignored by people, just like your story was.

Maybe if Hadji were still around or FightofFreedom bothered to check this topic once in a while, you'd get appropriate replies alas no.

 

[AmMortal]

No, no, I totally get that. I am just making an observation that this thread has a tendency to skip over negative stories, unless it is something that directly attacks Islam. Otherwise, it will be ignored by people, just like your story was.

Maybe if Hadji were still around or FightofFreedom bothered to check this topic once in a while, you'd get appropriate replies alas no.

Couldn't agree with you more.

This thread was opened for elaborations, on misconceptions concerning Islam.

 

[Linkhero1]

Welcome back AmMortal

 

[Instigator]

Couldn't agree with you more.

This thread was opened for elaborations, on misconceptions concerning Islam.

You may have started this topic, but you don't have control of it, particularly when banned.

 

[AmMortal]

Welcome back AmMortal

!

Hey manz, how's it going?

You may have started this topic, but you don't have control of it, particularly when banned.

Awesome :lol

 

[Smiles and Cries]

Thanks for the replies I will give this serious time to learn and understand

You are 35? Haha, I've always figured you were around my age. You have such a lovable personality. Most of the old farts here are pessimistic as hell.

my real life is very painful and serious most of the time but I try to keep my spirit as lighthearted as I can. thanks

 

[TheGrayGhost]

So in Islam he never went to the cross?

Also he is not God?

one thing about my reading today is how closed Christians are to any other religion. Yet Islam hold Isa in such high regard.

Jesus was never really "God," even in Christianity.

I think he his considered to be one of the three rasul, the other two being Moses and, of course, Muhammad.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

Question:

What do you do if you miss one of your 5 prayer times?

how do you make time for them? Is is habit or dedication that keeps you on time?

 

[GSG Flash]

Jesus was never really "God," even in Christianity.

I think he his considered to be one of the three rasul, the other two being Moses and, of course, Muhammad.

Well, Rasul is prophet in Arabic, and according to the quran there are thousand of them that have been sent to spread god's message, but Jesus is one of the three big ones that led the people of the book (which in this case is Christians), the other being Moses/Musa of course.

edit:

Question:

What do you do if you miss one of your 5 prayer times?

how do you make time for them? Is is habit or dedication that keeps you on time?

You can do a Qadha prayer at the first moment you are able to do so if you are unable to perform the prayer on time.

 

[Jinfash]

Question:

What do you do if you miss one of your 5 prayer times?

how do you make time for them? Is is habit or dedication that keeps you on time?

- If you miss one you perform it as soon as you remember before moving on to the next prayer.

- You can say it's dedication that turns into habit with time. When you miss one you'll always feel like you missed something, kinda like that "did I turn off the stove" or "lock the car" feelings.

 

[AmMortal]

Well, Rasul is prophet in Arabic, and according to the quran there are thousand of them that have been sent to spread god's message, but Jesus is one of the three big ones that led the people of the book (which in this case is Christians), the other being Moses/Musa of course.

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You can do a Qadha prayer at the first moment you are able to do so if you are unable to perform the prayer on time.

Rasul = Messenger

Nabi= Prophet


Difference, is that a Prophet, is not obliged to convey the message.
i.e He can keep it to himself, and won't be punished for it.
Also, Prophet does not carry with him, a message and a law, as comprehensive as the law of the Taurat ( Torah )or Qur'an etc.

Which is why in the Qur'an ( yahya) John the baptist, is a prophet, and Jesus ( Isa) is a Messenger.

There were a total of 124,000 Prophets, all over the world, Africa, Asia, etc. To every nation and tribe at one point in time. Yet only a handful were selected as messengers.

A messenger, has an authority, and a responsibility. Every messenger is a prophet, but not every prophet is a messenger.

There were 5 great Messengers, considered to be the best of the 124,000 Prophets and the best of messengers.

In order of Chronology=

1. Noah
2. Abraham
3. Moses
4. Jesus
5. Muhammad

 

[GSG Flash]

Rasul = Messenger

Nabi= Prophet


Difference, is that a Prophet, is not obliged to convey the message.
i.e He can keep it to himself, and won't be punished for it.
Also, Prophet does not carry with him, a message and a law, as comprehensive as the law of the Taurat ( Torah )or Qur'an etc.

Which is why in the Qur'an ( yahya) John the baptist, is a prophet, and Jesus ( Isa) is a Messenger.

There were a total of 124,000 Prophets, all over the world, Africa, Asia, etc. To every nation and tribe at one point in time. Yet only a handful were selected as messengers.

A messenger, has an authority, and a responsibility. Every messenger is a prophet, but not every prophet is a messenger.

There were 5 great Messengers, considered to be the best of the 124,000 Prophets and the best of messengers.

In order of Chronology=

1. Noah
2. Abraham
3. Moses
4. Jesus
5. Muhammad

DOH! Yeah you're right, nabi was the word I was looking for, I need to brush up on my Islam :lol (which is very difficult thanks to undergraduate engineering :/ )

 

[AmMortal]

Arabs and Muslims also brought us Algebra (al-Jabr), Arabic/Indian numerals (1, 2, 3, 4...), and, funny enough, secularism. Islamic philosophers also played a major part in reintroducing Aristotle to Europe in the Middle Ages.

That's exactly what I said in an atheists vs religion thread. xD