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[Futurevoid]

Bossman at half the price of Miller

I like Boss, he's a good player and I hate to lose him but it's the second time you've equated the two which is silly. Half the price? Yeah, but you downgraded that position. I'd take Miller any day of the week...

Boss is no doubt an upgrade over what you have left though. I'll give you that much.

 

[Spectral Glider]

Funny, I hated Harrison at first because he replaced Porter.

Porter had a great year leading up to SBXL....but his play was spotty after that. So while I hated to lose Porter's leadership, the move didn't totally bother me.

 

[filler]

I like Boss, he's a good player and I hate to lose him but it's the second time you've equated the two which is silly. Half the price? Yeah, but you downgraded that position. I'd take Miller any day of the week...

Looked like the stats last year were pretty damn similar to me. Miller having more total yards, Boss having a higher average yards per catch. Miller definitely was not worth that kind of money. Boss is a better blocker as well. GET OVA IT

 

[Striker]

Boss had an issue with dropping balls last year, and his blocking wasn't up to par. I like the guy but if he was asking for too much cash then it was best to let him go. I won't say he wasn't irreplaceable, because he's not a great TE, nor is he a bad one. The current situation at TE, even before Boss signed with OAK, for NYG is a questionable one thus the concern.

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

How does the cap situation for the Niners look after all those signings? I've got to hand it to Baalke. He managed to make some decent FA signings with no long term money attached and at a decent price for the most part.

$15 mill left. Pay gore something so he is happy!

 

[Futurevoid]

Looked like the stats last year were pretty damn similar to me.

The true measure of any NFL player. Stats. They always tell the full story.

GET OVA IT

Only if you ask really, really nice though, k?

Boss had an issue with dropping balls last year, and his blocking wasn't up to par. I like the guy but if he was asking for too much cash then it was best to let him go. I won't say he wasn't irreplaceable, because he's not a great TE, nor is he a bad one. The current situation at TE, even before Boss signed with OAK, for NYG is a questionable one thus the concern.

Agreed on all counts. Especially the last statement. The position has been in flux since last year when Boss went down and we were really thin having to add lineman to plays where a TE or a 2 TE set would be on the field. I'm interested to see if Beckum makes any kind of meaningful jump this season. I haven't been high on him AT ALL since we drafted him.

 

[iapetus]

WTF is going on in Jacksonville? Guy has a non contact jersey on and gets hit REPEATEDLY? :jnc

Not according to reports from people who were actually there, no.

David Garrard did suffer a minor injury during practice. He went down during 11 x 11 drills when he was attempting to avoid the pass rush and got tangled up with a lineman. It did not look like much, but he was slow to get up afterward, and immediately sought treatment from the training staff before being escorted off the field in one fo the Ring Power sponsored carts.

 

[filler]

The true measure of any NFL player. Stats. They always tell the full story.


Only if you ask really, really nice though, k?

Don't get me wrong, I liked Miller, he's a good TE. I just don't think he's as good as everyone is making him out to be. He's no Antonio Gates or Tony Gonzalez in his prime.

 

[Futurevoid]

Don't get me wrong, I liked Miller, he's a good TE. I just don't think he's as good as everyone is making him out to be.

He's better than Boss was my point. Don't get ME wrong because Boss was the best option the Raiders had after losing Miller. The rest of the TE FA market isn't exactly full of quality. I pretty much figured he would end up there after that Seattle signing (posted as much after I posted the Miller signing). Equating the two based on stats is flawed logic, IMO is all.

 

[Gully State]

$15 mill left. Pay gore something so he is happy!

I'm honestly surprised that Gore only held out for like 4 days. I wonder why he decided to report?

 

[Futurevoid]

I wonder why he decided to report?

He was on the Jim Rome show yesterday and was asked the same question. He said he missed the game and his teammates. He wants to work things out and he wants to a Niner until he retires. Frankly, it sounded like the holdout was more his agents idea than his own but take that with a grain of salt as most players are going to be contrite after the fact.

 

[Gully State]

. just need alex to play like he does in 2 minute situations. not sure why we don't run more no-huddle with alex. everytime he is forced into that he tears people up.... until chilo rachal (or kwame rachal, as he likes to be called) grinds things to a halt.

If only teams would play prevent and just cover the sidelines for the whole game against the niners. My concern with Smith (outside of his general mediocre play) at this point is how much of the west coast offense can he digest. I mean we always hear that it takes about 3 seasons to grasp the WC offense and he's going to have a truncated off season to pick up things.


Or maybe Harbaugh wants to suit up....

 

[bionic77]

Now that we all agreed that Harrison is the best OLB in a 3-4 who is the best edge rusher in the 4-3?

 

[Gully State]

He was on the Jim Rome show yesterday and was asked the same question. He said he missed the game and his teammates. He wants to work things out and he wants to a Niner until he retires. Frankly, it sounded like the holdout was more his agents idea than his own but take that with a grain of salt as most players are going to be contrite after the fact.

I really hope that they design better blocking schemes for Gore this year. It was painful seeing him basically run into a brick wall every down for the last 2 years.

 

[xnipx]

Now that we all agreed that Harrison is the best OLB in a 3-4 who is the best edge rusher in the 4-3?

Mario and peppers are tied.

 

[Futurevoid]

Now that we all agreed that Harrison is the best OLB in a 3-4 who is the best edge rusher in the 4-3?

Need to start with a list, no? A few guys worth mentioning:

Justin Tuck - 76 Tackles, 11.5 Sacks, 6 Forced Fumbles
Dwight Freeney - 25 Tackles, 10 Sacks, 5 Forced Fumbles
Julius Peppers - 54 Tackles, 8 Sacks, 3 Forced Fumbles, 2 INT
Trent Cole - 65 Tackles, 10 Sacks, 1 Forced Fumble
John Abraham - 40 Tackles, 13 Sacks, 3 Forced Fumbles, 1 INT
Mario Williams - 28 Tackles, 8.5 Sacks, 1 Forced Fumble
Jared Allen - 60 Tackles, 11 Sacks, 1 Forced Fumble, 1 INT

I'm excluding one year wonders like Charles Johnson or Babin...

UPDATED with stats. Stats don't tell the whole story as mentioned earlier but for the sake of quick snapshots, etc.

 

[MechDX]

Mario and peppers are tied.

Technically Mario is a 3-4 OLB now.

 

[bionic77]

Need to start with a list, no? A few guys worth mentioning:

Justin Tuck
Dwight Freeney
Julius Peppers
Trent Cole
John Abraham
Mario Williams

I'm excluding one year wonders like Charles Johnson or Babin...

I pretty much agree that all of those guys are very good, but I guess there is no consensus on the best of the best of the best?

 

[jakncoke]

nice nice, i wonder how much this saves on our cap. I assume the 18.1 million he gets this year will be mostly signing bonus to help us with the cap.

 

[Gully State]

Twitter's busted for me at work...but Edward's $3.5 mil contract isn't even all guaranteed

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Matt Maiocco just tweeted out some details about Braylon Edwards 2011 contract and for a one year deal it's fairly interesting. According to MM, Edwards has a $1 million base salary that is not guaranteed. He can earn the full $3.5 million if he catches 90 passes and earns a trip to the Pro Bowl.

 

[Futurevoid]

how about a comparison of the past five seasons? Including Jared Allen. Because your snub is laughable, I think.

He's added. Settle down before you explode out of your panties. Going from memory here.

I pretty much agree that all of those guys are very good, but I guess there is no consensus on the best of the best of the best?

Hopefully we can come to a consensus. A lot of good player son that list.

 

[Wellington]

Comparing two TEs in two very different situations by stats? This can't be real life.

Boss will be a good replacement for Miller tho.

 

[TheLegendary]

Uhm, Jared Allen?

I thought he retired last year? He was invisible

 

[Futurevoid]

Update:

AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
Former Bears center Olin Kruetz reached agreement with Saints.

 

[ph33nix]

It might have been posted recently and I can't find it on google but can someone post the illustrious Brett Favre dolphins photoshop?

 

[Futurevoid]

how about a comparison of the past five seasons?

You're gonna make me do work now, aren't you?

Justin Tuck: 277 Tackles, 40.5 Sacks, 16 FF, 1 INT
Dwight Freeney: 127 Tackles, 43 Sacks, 18 FF
Julius Peppers: 242 Tackles, 48.5 Sacks, 19 FF, 5 INT
Trent Cole: 331 Tackles, 52 Sacks, 10 FF, 1 INT
John Abraham: 163 Tackles, 49 Sacks, 15 FF, 1 INT
Mario Williams: 188 Tackles, 48 Sacks, 10 FF
Jared Allen: 306 Tackles, 63 Sacks, 15 FF
Robert Mathis: 257 Tackles, 48.5 Sacks, 19 FF
Osi Umenyiora: 160 Tackles, 37.5 Sacks, 20 FF

Those are the stats for the last five years. Stats don't tell the whole story but since it was requested for five years - here you go.

EDIT: Added Mathis and Osi as well for those interested.

 

[TheDrizzlerJ11]

Well Allen won't be on the list once the HGH testing happens so Peppers.

 

[Wellington]

Jesus, Tuck stinks.

(he was actually hurt and didn't see much playtime until 2007)

 

[LevelNth]

Harrison playing with good linebackers should deflate his stats, not increase them.

Harrison last season had 40 more tackles than the best OLB you mentioned in Clay Matthews, and you consider Clay the better player?

Not necessarily, a well containing D will lead to more tackle opportunities for LB's, hence the higher tackle count. And it's not like I'm at all saying Harrison is bad, he's a menace, with excellent cutback ability (also helped the tackle count).

But stats don't tell the whole story, and if I had to choose between the two, I choose Matthews on my squad.

 

[MechDX]

We're doomed.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/08/05/houston-texans-continuity-change-success/

I’m calling it now. Houston Texans.
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That’s my darkhorse to win it all. They’ve made two signings in free agency and that’s all I think it takes for them to go from sadly disappointing to straight-up dominating. And if they don’t, well, heads will have to roll. It’s that simple.
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Right now, while everyone is looking at Philadelphia and the moves they’ve made, people are sleeping on Houston. They haven’t so much got stronger, as eliminated two of their biggest weaknesses. That’s enough to make this team pretty darn scary.

Texans cycle...etc...

 

[LevelNth]

Twitter's busted for me at work...but Edward's $3.5 mil contract isn't even all guaranteed

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Wow, so we basically got Edwards for a mil (which he'll get injured or not, new CBA rule), and 3.5 if he lights it up. This is amazing news, as it's clearly a signing that says 'we want to test you out as our number 1 WR'.

Crabtree now knows he's gone from Diva hotshot at WR1, to battling it out with Morgan for a possible WR2 position. Here's hoping that gets him to put up and shut up.

Crab underneath, Bray deep and Davis inside is yummy.

 

[DeaconKnowledge]

Not necessarily, a well containing D will lead to more tackle opportunities for LB's, hence the higher tackle count. And it's not like I'm at all saying Harrison is bad, he's a menace, with excellent cutback ability (also helped the tackle count).

But stats don't tell the whole story, and if I had to choose between the two, I choose Matthews on my squad.

Your argument is basically "I like Matthews better" especially considering you discount everything i've said about Harrison. Or is Matthews an outstanding player on a shit Linebacking corps now? Packers Age?

 

[Futurevoid]

didn't Tuck also see time at DT, too?

Yep. He still does, too. The Giants rotate players all over the line (our four aces package is all four DE's playing the line). It's why stats are only one view of the quailty of the player.

I will say that Trent Cole is terribly underrated by the media. He's a guy that doesn't automatically appear very highly on these top ten lists (I did a few searches) but he's a tackle machine and he's barely had any help across the way on the Eagles line for a few years now. Exceptional player (and yes, it's disgusting saying that since he's an Eagle but I can be objective.)

 

[Wellington]

Let's be real here, if we're talking about rushing 3-4 LBs, the best one in the league is DeMarcus Ware. Surprised he hasnt come up in this insane convo in which people think Clay Matthews is the best LB in the league. Definitely not even the best LB in his division.

I am nervous as shit to see what Rob Ryan does with him this season.

 

[LevelNth]

Your argument is basically "I like Matthews better" especially considering you discount everything i've said about Harrison. Or is Matthews an outstanding player on a shit Linebacking corps now? Packers Age?

No, I've stated my argument and you just won't accept we have different opinions. I'm ok with you prefering Harrison, why are you not ok with me prefering Matthews?

And from my last 30 posts in here I thought it clear I'm an unapologetic Niners fan. Hell, almost 10 of my posts have been defending Alex Smith!

 

[Striker]

Tuck and Cole are the best two-way ends/rushers in football. They won't get the love from the darling media as golden boy Matthews and Freeney do.

 

[Gully State]

Wow, so we basically got Edwards for a mil (which he'll get injured or not, new CBA rule), and 3.5 if he lights it up. This is amazing news, as it's clearly a signing that says 'we want to test you out as our number 1 WR'.

Crabtree now knows he's gone from Diva hotshot at WR1, to battling it out with Morgan for a possible WR2 position. Here's hoping that gets him to put up and shut up.

Crab underneath, Bray deep and Davis inside is yummy.

Don't forget Gore in the backfield...Too bad our QB is Alex Smith and our O-line is porous at best...

 

[DeaconKnowledge]

No, I've stated my argument and you just won't accept we have different opinions. I'm ok with you prefering Harrison, why are you not ok with me prefering Matthews?

And from my last 30 posts in here I thought it clear I'm an unapologetic Niners fan. Hell, almost 10 of my posts have been defending Alex Smith!

You can prefer whoever you want - but this isn't an argument about who anybody likes best.

As for my post, I was asking someone from Packers Age to confirm that Matthews is the gold star on a mediocre line as you make him seem.

Let's be real here, if we're talking about rushing 3-4 LBs, the best one in the league is DeMarcus Ware. Surprised he hasnt come up in this insane convo in which people think Clay Matthews is the best LB in the league. Definitely not even the best LB in his division.

I am nervous as shit to see what Rob Ryan does with him this season.

Ware had more sacks this season (and more overall) but mainly because he's been a starter for two more seasons. I still assert Harrison is the overall better LB.

 

[GCNemesis]

We need a t-shirt.

Thoughts? I reckon this infringes on copyright sadly though.

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

Don't forget Gore in the backfield...Too bad our QB is Alex Smith and our O-line is porous at best...

Oline will be fine as long as we get rachal out.

 

[bionic77]

Let's be real here, if we're talking about rushing 3-4 LBs, the best one in the league is DeMarcus Ware. Surprised he hasnt come up in this insane convo in which people think Clay Matthews is the best LB in the league. Definitely not even the best LB in his division.

I am nervous as shit to see what Rob Ryan does with him this season.

I don't mind people saying Ware is better than Harrison. That is not insulting at all, not like the crazy talk of putting Matthews in their league. To me it is tossup and they are the two best at their position in the league.

 

[DeaconKnowledge]

I don't mind people saying Ware is better than Harrison. That is not insulting at all, not like the crazy talk of putting Matthews in their league. To me it is tossup and they are the two best at their position in the league.

Yeah. Ware is a much more credible comparison than Clay Matthews. Where are those "overrated" articles when you need them?

 

[mYm|17|]

Niners gutted their defense. At least P-Willie is still there

Hopefully these new players are better than the ones that just left. Hell, anybody is an improvement over Clements

 

[bionic77]

Yeah. Ware is a much more credible comparison than Clay Matthews. Where are those "overrated" articles when you need them?

Matthews is probably only overrated by crazy Packer fans and the idiots at ESPN.

He is still an elite OLB in the league. Just because you are not in the top 2 doesn't mean you don't have value. The fact of the matter is that he CAN get pressure and sack the qb. He might be lacking in some other areas but a lot of teams need legit pass rushers and you can't argue he isn't one.

 

[DeaconKnowledge]

He is still an elite OLB in the league. Just because you are not in the top 2 doesn't mean you don't have value. The fact of the matter is that he CAN get pressure and sack the qb. He might be lacking in some other areas but a lot of teams need legit pass rushers and you can't argue he isn't one.

Agreed, but again, the argument was never "Who are the elite Linebackers in the NFL?"

Clay Matthews is a great player and deserving of accolade, but the BEST linebacker in the NFL? No.

Matthews is probably only overrated by crazy Packer fans and the idiots at ESPN.

Somebody didn't watch the Top 100 popularity contest of 2011.

 

[BaltimoreLarry]

Your argument is basically "I like Matthews better" especially considering you discount everything i've said about Harrison. Or is Matthews an outstanding player on a shit Linebacking corps now? Packers Age?

Matthews will definitely get you less defensive penalties.

 

[bionic77]

Matthews will definitely get you less defensive penalties.

What a disgusting nickname.

 

[Tedesco!]

Thoughts? I reckon this infringes on copyright sadly though.

Parody protection?

 

[DeaconKnowledge]

Matthews will definitely get you less defensive penalties.

They had to slow Harrison down somehow.

Shitty part about that mess is that it robbed him of DPOY honors for 2010. He got robbed, and I love Troy.

 

[TheDrizzlerJ11]

What a disgusting nickname.

What's his nickname?

"Headhunting" Harrison?