Official NFL Week 4 Thread - The Sound of AFC Silence

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SUN, SEP 28
Minnesota at Tennessee
Denver at Kansas City
San Francisco at New Orleans
Arizona at NY Jets
Green Bay at Tampa Bay
Atlanta at Carolina
Houston at Jacksonville
Cleveland at Cincinnati
San Diego at Oakland
Buffalo at St. Louis
Washington at Dallas
Philadelphia at Chicago

MON, SEP 29
Baltimore at Pittsburgh


8-8 last week. :/

Also, Rams are benching Bulger in favor of Trent Green. Wha?

edit: Nevermind 8-8 the first week, 11-5 last week. :D
 
Ugh, I got destroyed this past week, methinks. :(

Let's rebound, shall we?

SUN, SEP 28
Minnesota at Tennessee - Kind of a tossup, but I expect the running game to be the winning factor here. Besides, Collins or Frerotte? No way.
Denver at Kansas City - It's Kansas City.
San Francisco at New Orleans - It's San Francisco.
Arizona at NY Jets - Another gutcheck game for Gang Green. If we don't win here, it's going to be a long road in the AFC East.
Green Bay at Tampa Bay - Aaron Rodgers puts on a fireworks show.
Atlanta at Carolina - Atlanta will mature...but the Panthers need this one more.
Houston at Jacksonville - This is a tossup. I'd like to see the Texans win, though.
Cleveland at Cincinnati - This is also a tossup. But given their game vs. the Giants, I'd say Cincy has stuff to grow on.
San Diego at Oakland - LOLAIDERS NATION.
Buffalo at St. Louis - Buffalo is amazing right now, and the Rams aren't going to stop 'em.
Washington at Dallas - Redskins :lol
Philadelphia at Chicago - Neckbeard won't cut it here.

MON, SEP 29
Baltimore at Pittsburgh - Only because Leftwich is probably starting this game. THUNDERING HERDDDDDDD
 
SUN, SEP 28
Minnesota at Tennessee
Denver at Kansas City
San Francisco at New Orleans
Arizona at NY Jets
Green Bay at Tampa Bay
Atlanta at Carolina
Houston at Jacksonville
Cleveland at Cincinnati
San Diego at Oakland
Buffalo at St. Louis
Washington at Dallas
Philadelphia at Chicago

MON, SEP 29
Baltimore at Pittsburgh

LiveWire said:
I don't think you can. :(

Damn didn't think so. ESPN leagues suck ass.
 
Minnesota at Tennessee
Denver at Kansas City
San Francisco at New Orleans
Arizona at NY Jets
Green Bay at Tampa Bay
Atlanta at Carolina
Houston at Jacksonville
Cleveland at Cincinnati
San Diego at Oakland
Buffalo at St. Louis
Washington at Dallas
Philadelphia at Chicago

MON, SEP 29
Baltimore at Pittsburgh
 
Peter King mulls over Patriot QB options:

Veterans who'd be insurance policies in case Cassel flops

1. Vinny Testaverde, retired. He's 44, and he told me two weeks ago he was secure in his retirement. He might pull a calf in his first sprint out of the pocket. But he's got to be crossing Belichick's mind.

2. Damon Huard, backup, Kansas City. Biggest problem: He doesn't have the downfield arm to get the ball to Randy Moss. And I doubt Kansas City would want to deal a good game-manager who could get the Chiefs through games with Tyler Thigpen struggling as badly as he is. But he was Tom Brady's backup when Brady was a kid in this offense in New England, so he could be game-ready in days, not weeks. Cost? Maybe a fifth-round 2009 pick, going higher based on success if he plays.

3. Jon Kitna, starter, Detroit. Would Detroit want to go with Drew Stanton and tank an already hopeless season? Maybe. Would the Pats want to deal a third-round pick (my guess) for a guy likely to be productive in their offense, but also a guy likely to make a big mistake in January if they get there? I doubt it.

4. Tim Rattay, unemployed. Chad Pennington-type. Very smart, but with a below-average arm. Wouldn't surprise me if he gets brought in. Quietly this time.

5. Brad Johnson, backup, Dallas. Same problem with arm strength, though slightly better than Rattay. Big question here would be whether Dallas would be willing to have Brooks Bollinger one play away from making a Super Bowl run. My guess is Dallas won't trade Johnson unless it's for something really good, like a third-rounder.

6. Daunte Culpepper, retired. If they haven't called him by now, I doubt they will. "He's playing in cement shoes,'' said one personnel man I spoke with, concerned the two-and-a-half-year-old knee surgery is still plaguing Culpepper.

Younger guys New England would have to trade a late-round pick to get

1. Luke McCown, backup, Tampa Bay. The Bucs have four quarterbacks, which would seem to make this an easy deal. Two problems. Trading with Tampa Bay GM Bruce Allen is Herculean. Second, McCown is Tampa Bay's No. 2 in Jon Gruden's mind right now, ahead of Jeff Garcia and, of course, rookie Josh Johnson. Knowing how quick a hook Gruden has, the Pats would probably have to trade something significant for McCown -- say, a fifth-rounder that could rise to a three with playing time. Probably too high a price for someone this unproven.

2. Ryan Fitzpatrick, third quarterback, Cincinnati. Belichick loves Mike Martz, and Martz had an interesting run with Fitzpatrick in St. Louis in 2005, starting this Harvardian three times and watching him torch Houston for 310 yards in an overtime win. Smart guy, not overwhelmed by playing in the league.

Intriguing guys with experience I'd really try to get if I were the Patriots


1. A.J. Feeley, third quarterback, Philadelphia.
He's played in some big games -- he nearly beat the Patriots at New England last year when Donovan McNabb was hurt -- and the Eagles would be willing to talk about him because of their comfort level at backup quarterback with Kevin Kolb. He's somewhere between Clint Longley and Jim Plunkett in terms of a guy who might have a chance to play effectively with a good team around him. He's the guy I'd try to deal for, but remember one thing: The Eagles always try to beat teams into submission on trades; anything more than a fifth-round pick in 2009 would be too much.

2. Andrew Walter, backup, Oakland. Hey, Randy Moss loved him out there. (Uh, just kidding.) But he's got a good arm and could be had, I would think. Big question is accuracy, or lack thereof; he completed 53 percent in his half-season run in the Raiders' horrible 2006 season. He'd be an interesting prospect because he can get the ball downfield and he'd be better-protected in New England than he ever was in Oakland.

Finally, there are the Colts' summer rejects, Jared Lorenzen and Quinn Gray, who are on the street. Lorenzen has a good arm with zero mobility. Gray always seems to make the big mistake when he played. Watch one of those guys end up in Patriots camp Wednesday.
 
Yeah, one would think that JGar would be a great fit there. He's still pretty nimble, has a decent arm and is smart.
 
Kinda boring matchups this week. Anyway, my picks:

SUN, SEP 28
Minnesota at Tennessee
Denver at Kansas City
San Francisco at New Orleans
Arizona at NY Jets
Green Bay at Tampa Bay
Atlanta at Carolina
Houston at Jacksonville
Cleveland at Cincinnati
San Diego at Oakland
Buffalo at St. Louis
Washington at Dallas
Philadelphia at Chicago

MON, SEP 29
Baltimore at Pittsburgh
 
I go crazy with my picks this week. Who was keeping the tally?

SUN, SEP 28
Minnesota at Tennessee
Denver at Kansas City
San Franciscoat New Orleans
Arizona at NY Jets
Green Bay at Tampa Bay
Atlanta at Carolina
Houston at Jacksonville
Cleveland at Cincinnati
San Diego at Oakland
Buffalo at St. Louis
Washington at Dallas
Philadelphia at Chicago

MON, SEP 29
Baltimore at Pittsburgh
 
Man, the titans and vikings game is gonna make that auburn mississippi state look like a shootout between last year patriots and the rams when warner was mvp
 
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Week 3 Record - 12-4 (Upset Specials = 2-1)
2008 Record - 35-12 (.745)
2007 Record - 186-70 (.727) (Yes, I like that it's a long season. I'm not worried at all.) :D

SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 28
Minnesota at Tennessee
Denver at Kansas City * GAF SURVIVAL LEAGUE / ELIMINATOR PICK *
San Francisco at New Orleans * UPSET #1 *
Arizona at NY Jets * UPSET #2 *
Green Bay at Tampa Bay * UPSET #3 *
Atlanta at Carolina * UPSET #4 *
Houston at Jacksonville
Cleveland at Cincinnati * UPSET #5 *
San Diego at Oakland
Buffalo at St. Louis
Washington at Dallas
Philadelphia at Chicago

MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 29
Baltimore at Pittsburgh
 
Last Week: 9-6
Overall:27-19

SUN, SEP 28
Minnesota at Tennessee
Denver at Kansas City
San Francisco at New Orleans
Arizona at NY Jets
Green Bay at Tampa Bay
Atlanta at Carolina
Houston at Jacksonville
Cleveland at Cincinnati
San Diego at Oakland
Buffalo at St. Louis
Washington at Dallas
Philadelphia at Chicago

MON, SEP 29
Baltimore at Pittsburgh
 
Ugh... this is 2007 all over again :( Why can't the Steelers get through a season with half of their team being outed?!
 
is that what steelers fans are clinging to this year? that they are so battered and injured and that's why they look like garbage? how ironic that the only reason you won your superbowl in 05 was because of an injury to carson palmer, or that every year teams have to suffer through injuries and still dont make excuses. thats what i expect from the steelers though, a bunch of excuses as to why they are failures.

oh, you guys will probably win your weak ass division, but much like the seachickens in years past you will be eliminated early on in the playoff race because your record is inflated by playing in a gimme division. :(
 
FrenchMovieTheme said:
is that what steelers fans are clinging to this year? that they are so battered and injured and that's why they look like garbage? how ironic that the only reason you won your superbowl in 05 was because of an injury to carson palmer, or that every year teams have to suffer through injuries and still dont make excuses. thats what i expect from the steelers though, a bunch of excuses as to why they are failures.

oh, you guys will probably win your weak ass division, but much like the seachickens in years past you will be eliminated early on in the playoff race because your record is inflated by playing in a gimme division. :(

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FrenchMovieTheme said:
is that what steelers fans are clinging to this year? that they are so battered and injured and that's why they look like garbage? how ironic that the only reason you won your superbowl in 05 was because of an injury to carson palmer, or that every year teams have to suffer through injuries and still dont make excuses. thats what i expect from the steelers though, a bunch of excuses as to why they are failures.

oh, you guys will probably win your weak ass division, but much like the seachickens in years past you will be eliminated early on in the playoff race because your record is inflated by playing in a gimme division. :(
What the fuck are you talking about?

The Steelers didn't have any significant injuries when they lost to the Eagles. It was just a poor display of coaching, o-line play, and a qb who was clearly rattled when he realized that no one was blocking anyone.

I don't think any Steelers fans have made any excuses about injuries. You are just acting delusional, but that is par for the course for Niners fans since your franchise became a joke.

firex said:
So that's what JGar's been doing to start a career after he's done with football...
The funny part of his line was it being a buffet. For it to be funny for JGar I guess it would have to involve The Hair Club for Men or something similar.
 
Willie Parker NO!!!!!! Westbrook better play so I can at least win in one of my leagues this week. :( I'm going to wait before I make my picks for this week because I can't think straight with this news.
 
ari said:
The fall of the AFC is fucking awesome. I called it last year. :D
I thought half the teams you like were AFC teams?

And its not so much a fall, as it is all the best teams are suffering injuries at once. These people will heal and come back next year and order will be restored.
 
I don't think any Steelers fans have made any excuses about injuries. You are just acting delusional, but that is par for the course for Niners fans since your franchise became a joke.

harSon said:
Ugh... this is 2007 all over again :( Why can't the Steelers get through a season with half of their team being outed?!

isn't harSon a steelers fan?
 
FrenchMovieTheme said:
isn't harSon a steelers fan?

I'm not making an excuse, we lost last week because of shitty o-line play and horrid play calling (And a defense that didn't find its rhythm till the second half). I'm simply sad that we're getting banged up 2-3 weeks into the season.
 
FrenchMovieTheme said:
isn't harSon a steelers fan?
Not if he blames that loss to the Eagles on injuries.

No one on the offensive line was injured and Willie Parker finished the game. We lost that game because sadly the Steelers couldn't handle the Eagles blitz or simply pressure even once.

Really a pathetic performance.

The only consolation I had from Sunday was that our line was not being beat physically, they just had no idea what was going on. Hopefully that is correctable. How hard is it to pick up the blitz at least some of the time?
 
bionic77 said:
The only consolation I had from Sunday was that our line was not being beat physically, they just had no idea what was going on. Hopefully that is correctable. How hard is it to pick up the blitz at least some of the time?

Especially when they're blitzing every down :lol
 
Espn Week 4 Power Rankings

1. (1) Cowboys
2. (3) Giants
3. (5) Eagles
4. (9) Titans
5. (2) Steelers
6. (10) Bills
7. (11) Broncos
8. (4) Packers
9. (13) Chargers
10. (8) Panthers
11. (6) Patriots
12. (7) Colts
13. (17) Buccaneers
14. (18) Jaguars
15. (19) Redskins
16. (12) Saints
17. (20) Ravens
18. (14) Cardinals
19. (21) Vikings
20. (15) Bears
21. (16) Jets
22. (25) 49ers
23. (23) Seahawks
24. (26) Falcons
25. (30) Dolphins
26. (22) Browns
27. (24) Texans
28. (28) Bengals
29. (27) Raiders
30. (29) Lions
31. (31) Chiefs
32. (32) Rams
 
i really really hope the eagles dont over look this game against the bears...since we have a big divison game the following week against the redskins (why is that a 1pm game anyway??!??!?!?).

mcnabb back in home city...with or without westbrook....they need to win.
 
harSon said:
Especially when they're blitzing every down :lol
It was pathetic watching it in person. No one on the offense had any fucking clue what the Eagles were doing from the 2nd quarter onwards.

I give Ben a pass after the 2nd quarter because I am sure after the 6th sack in like 8 minutes he had pretty much gone into turtle mode, but how could the coaches have done nothing to adjust?

This is probably only the 2nd or 3rd time, that I can remember, where Ben was that visibly effected by the rush. Last time was in Baltimore in 2006 and we all remember how that ended up...
 
UN, SEP 28
Minnesota at Tennessee-I picked MN to win once and they didn't! Never again!
Denver at Kansas City-This should get ugly, quickly.
San Francisco at New Orleans-Should be a shoot-out...I'll go with the better QB.
Arizona at NY Jets- Upset (or is it?). Old friend... :(
Green Bay at Tampa Bay- This is a huge game for us. Not only will we need to forget the loss (meaning you, Aaron), but we lost one of our star CB's....really, really not good
Atlanta at Carolina-Panthers come back this week and humble the Falcons
Houston at Jacksonville- Bad offensive line? Check. Mario Williams coming at you? Check. Houston winning? No.
Cleveland at Cincinnati- This game sure looks like fun :lol. Palmer is out, so my pick is changed
San Diego at Oakland-This shouldn't even be close...
Buffalo at St. Louis-Nor this game
Washington at Dallas-Gotta go with my lifelong team here.
Philadelphia at Chicago-Chicago shows yet again why they are the Chicago Bears

MON, SEP 29
Baltimore at Pittsburgh- Pretty much the same format for the Jags game. Can Ben even stay on his feet long enough to have an offense?
 
Chiggs said:
Why are the Steelers ahead of the Bills and Broncos?
Technically the Broncos are 3-0 and but in reality they should really be 2-1 and their defense is beyond suspect at this point.

Then again, the Steelers o-line is also pretty suspect as well.

I do agree that the Bills should be ahead of the Steelers just on record, but even they have problems. I mean it took a crazy 4th quarter comeback for them to beat the Raiders. At least the Steelers lost to the Eagles.

Basically it looks like no one in the AFC is elite this year.
 
SUN, SEP 28
Minnesota at Tennessee - All day Ap has a QB that can at least get the ball down the field now.
Denver at Kansas City- KC sucks hard
San Francisco at -New Orleans NO should be able to get this one at home
Arizona at NY Jets -Farve will slang back after disaster at home.
Green Bay at Tampa Bay Hard one to pick, so ill just pick the home team.
Atlanta at Carolina- I expect them to unleash peppers on the rookie.
Houston at Jacksonville- Jacksonville is just better then houston.
Cleveland at Cincinnati- both teams are garbage, but Cinci at home.
San Diego at Oakland -zzzz not even worth watching more then likely chargers get the W
Buffalo at St. Louis- Rams are ass, buffulo is good.
Washington at Dallas -Rival matchup, anything can happen but im going with the boys at home.
Philadelphia at -Chicago- Westbrook hurt and chi coming off a tough lost

MON, SEP 29
Baltimore at Pittsburgh- Big Ben will bounce back, if Baltimore doesn't end his career in the first half.
 
CASSEL WILL BE REDEEMED. I'm telling you bitches right now.

Anyway....

SUN, SEP 28
Minnesota at Tennessee
Denver at Kansas City
San Francisco at New Orleans
Arizona at NY Jets
Green Bay at Tampa Bay
Atlanta at Carolina
Houston at Jacksonville
Cleveland at Cincinnati
San Diego at Oakland
Buffalo at St. Louis
Washington at Dallas
Philadelphia at Chicago

MON, SEP 29
Baltimore at Pittsburgh
 
Striker said:
Thank you for this. I know a very annoying Bungles fan on another forum that was bitching about nfl conspiracy(not his first time) that Toomer's foot was on the line and that the nfl didnt review it.
 
captive said:
Thank you for this. I know a very annoying Bungles fan on another forum that was bitching about nfl conspiracy(not his first time) that Toomer's foot was on the line and that the nfl didnt review it.
As inept as refs can be sometimes, they are right on occasion!
 
bionic77 said:
and their defense is beyond suspect at this point.


Well, they also seem to make other teams defenses look suspect, as well. That's got to count for something.
 
SUN, SEP 28
Minnesota at Tennessee---Tennessee Dominating D
Denver at Kansas City---Pffffffffffffffffffffffffft....
San Francisco at New Orleans---Reggie comes up bigger in this game (not as if he hasn't been big already.
Arizona at NY Jets---Too much offense and defense. A.K.A. Arizona is the better team.
Green Bay at Tampa Bay---You can't throw 67 times against GB and win.:lol
Atlanta at Carolina---TURNER...enough said.
Houston at Jacksonville---Tough one but Jacksonville plays well at home and they have that running game looking good again.
Cleveland at Cincinnati---Palmer is out.
San Diego at Oakland---McFadden (if healthy) gets his, but it's not near enough to win.
Buffalo at St. Louis---Another Pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft.....
Washington at Dallas---Tougher game than it looks, but Cowboys led by the Barbarian will win.
Philadelphia at Chicago---Orton/Grossman, you are fucked.

MON, SEP 29
Baltimore at Pittsburgh---A leaning Big Ben and No Willie gets you Nillie in the win column.

Edited Cle @ Cin for Palmer being out last minute at 10:52am central time.
 
Anyone know what's been the biggest fantasy point total performance ever (I know it differs from league to league)? That Ronnie Brown performance must be up there near the top.
 
everyone picking new orleans! i can't blame people i guess... who knows how we'll perform against a good team (although i still contend that the cardinals and seahawks are good teams overall). respect must be TAKEN! and JTO is just the man to do it!

p.s. dont talk about ronnie brown. i had him sitting on the bench in favor of ryan grant. i seriously dont even want to look at what his point total was, i ignored it all day sunday and monday.
 
FrenchMovieTheme said:
everyone picking new orleans! i can't blame people i guess... who knows how we'll perform against a good team (although i still contend that the cardinals and seahawks are good teams overall). respect must be TAKEN! and JTO is just the man to do it!

p.s. dont talk about ronnie brown. i had him sitting on the bench in favor of ryan grant. i seriously dont even want to look at what his point total was, i ignored it all day sunday and monday.

It's better to be under the radar anyways. I'll give props though to JTO as he has had a fantastic start. I'm also a big fan of Patrick Willis since he went to Ole Miss. ;)
Tell JTO to throw the ball to Bruce a bit more often since my receiving core in fantasy is suffering from Ochco Suckso.
 
Week 1: 7-8 (ouch)
Last week: 10-6 (...better...)

Minnesota at Tennessee
Denver at Kansas City
San Francisco at New Orleans
Arizona at NY Jets
Green Bay at Tampa Bay (tossup)
Atlanta at Carolina
Houston at Jacksonville
Cleveland at Cincinnati (tossup)
San Diego at Oakland
Buffalo at St. Louis
Washington at Dallas (tossup)
Philadelphia at Chicago (I keep picking the Bears... and they keep losing. As a Packer fan, I will ride this the rest of the season if necessary)

Baltimore at Pittsburgh (still not sure about Baltimore)
 
FrenchMovieTheme said:
everyone picking new orleans! i can't blame people i guess... who knows how we'll perform against a good team (although i still contend that the cardinals and seahawks are good teams overall). respect must be TAKEN! and JTO is just the man to do it!

p.s. dont talk about ronnie brown. i had him sitting on the bench in favor of ryan grant. i seriously dont even want to look at what his point total was, i ignored it all day sunday and monday.
Yeah well, 2-1 is just too high for you!
 
i can't wait till the seahawks come to san fran. if you think JTO shredded your D in week 2, wait until you face him when he has a home crowd and a few more games of experience under his belt. part of the reason he was sacked 8 times in seattle is because heitmann HAD to tip the snap of the ball due to the fact that it was so loud. it's the only way we could get the ball snapped properly. poor seachickens :(
 
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