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Official NHL Offseason Thread of LOL Leafs and other loser teams in memory of Manics
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Crazymoogle
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The judge very likely won't outright award Balsillie the team, he sounded very much on the "make happy payment to shut the NHL up" line of thought. The league's ability to appeal could be extremely limited if ruled they don't own the team.
I think it's 50/50 right now, honestly. I'll be shocked if the judge says anything but to negotiate a settlement price; no matter what the NHL says, Balsillie has 75m+ of funds that could be going to creditors that the NHL's partners can't match.
The real dealbreaker is the relocation fee; the NHL automatically wins if:
1. Balsillie Bid - relocation fee - gretzky payout < the NHL's offer, or:
2. The NHL successfully stalls into next season
A relocation fee over 10m is absurd and probably unprecedented by NHL standards, but it's hard to say what the Judge will accept (and Balsillie's camp has already accused the league of asking for US $100m - a full two thirds of the net worth of the franchise!)
The most reassuring element is the idiocy on the part of the NHL's legal team. Their greatest hits from this trial include:
- claiming US->Canada moves have never happened
- questioning the financial strength of the NFL
- claiming they have owners waiting without actually naming them. In bankruptcy court.
I think it's 50/50 right now, honestly. I'll be shocked if the judge says anything but to negotiate a settlement price; no matter what the NHL says, Balsillie has 75m+ of funds that could be going to creditors that the NHL's partners can't match.
The real dealbreaker is the relocation fee; the NHL automatically wins if:
1. Balsillie Bid - relocation fee - gretzky payout < the NHL's offer, or:
2. The NHL successfully stalls into next season
A relocation fee over 10m is absurd and probably unprecedented by NHL standards, but it's hard to say what the Judge will accept (and Balsillie's camp has already accused the league of asking for US $100m - a full two thirds of the net worth of the franchise!)
The most reassuring element is the idiocy on the part of the NHL's legal team. Their greatest hits from this trial include:
- claiming US->Canada moves have never happened
- questioning the financial strength of the NFL
- claiming they have owners waiting without actually naming them. In bankruptcy court.
KernelPanic
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As a Sens fan, I personally can't wait til the draft and to see what happens with Heatley.
I'm still stunned he wants out.
Ottawa could come out the winner or the loser in the trade, it'll definately show whether Murray is a good GM.
Can't wait to see what happens.
I'm still stunned he wants out.
Ottawa could come out the winner or the loser in the trade, it'll definately show whether Murray is a good GM.
Can't wait to see what happens.
Wild Hire New Coach
New Minnesota Wild general manager Chuck Fletcher has wasted no time putting his stamp on the team by hiring Todd Richards as the Wild's new head coach.
Richards has a history with Fletcher who hired him to coach the Pittsburgh Penguins' AHL affiliate Scranton-Wilkes/Barre in 2006. The 43-year old Richards spent last season as an assistant for the San Jose Sharks under Todd McLellan.
Sources have also told TSN that Wild assistant general manager Tom Lynn has been let go.
A former defenceman, Richards was drafted in the 2nd round, 33rd overall, by the Montreal Canadiens in the 1985 NHL Entry draft. He made his NHL debut with the Hartford Whalers in 1990. His NHL career consisted of eight regular season games, posting four assists. He also appeared in 11 playoff games with three assists.
New Minnesota Wild general manager Chuck Fletcher has wasted no time putting his stamp on the team by hiring Todd Richards as the Wild's new head coach.
Richards has a history with Fletcher who hired him to coach the Pittsburgh Penguins' AHL affiliate Scranton-Wilkes/Barre in 2006. The 43-year old Richards spent last season as an assistant for the San Jose Sharks under Todd McLellan.
Sources have also told TSN that Wild assistant general manager Tom Lynn has been let go.
A former defenceman, Richards was drafted in the 2nd round, 33rd overall, by the Montreal Canadiens in the 1985 NHL Entry draft. He made his NHL debut with the Hartford Whalers in 1990. His NHL career consisted of eight regular season games, posting four assists. He also appeared in 11 playoff games with three assists.
Rapping Granny
Banned
Damn, was rooting for Pierre Mcguire.
Takeda Kenshi
blew Staal
Unbelievable day.
So tired, but so happy.
Was 5 feet from the cup, got some skin from J. Staal, and loved every minute of it.
My life is now complete.
So tired, but so happy.
Was 5 feet from the cup, got some skin from J. Staal, and loved every minute of it.
My life is now complete.
That is, until we repeat. ;p
TemplaerDude
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i wonder what it's like to cheer for a winner.
Takeda Kenshi
blew Staal
Great pics Kassatsu. None of mine turned out that well. :/
Guerin and Talbot were fucking hilarious. Loved the 'shush'-ing. Malkin stole the show though, guy is fucking hilarious. Looking forward to putting my Stanley Cup Champions patch on my Malkin jersey. Too bad I can't put it on his Russian national jersey. ;/
Guerin and Talbot were fucking hilarious. Loved the 'shush'-ing. Malkin stole the show though, guy is fucking hilarious. Looking forward to putting my Stanley Cup Champions patch on my Malkin jersey. Too bad I can't put it on his Russian national jersey. ;/
Rapping Granny
Banned
How long until we hear the judge's decision on Phoenix?
Mike Works
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GO WHITECAPSTemplaerDude said:
Haha we were working our way down From PPG Place. Some douche got throw out by the cops. We got video from a little of it.purg3 said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijvh5cXnK2Y
I wish we would have got him being taken away crying about he got punched in the face but he was getting arrested.
Takeda Kenshi
blew Staal
kassatsu said:
And police wonder why they have a bad rap...
Shit.
Mike Works
Member
lol Balsillie got rejected
Dr.Guru of Peru
played the long game
Now that we can talk about the Leafs again, who do you guys think they're going to draft first? I sure hope it isn't Jared Cowen. I was pissed when we passed on Filatov for Schenn last year, I don't think I'll be able to handle taking another boring shutdown d-man.
Zombie James
Banned
Oh well, the NHL can keep bleeding money in Phoenix if that's what they want.
Mike Works
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i'm so glad balsillie's not getting the team
hamilton getting a team would've fucked over vancouver's situation even moreso
hamilton getting a team would've fucked over vancouver's situation even moreso
KilledByBill
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I was hoping Balsillie would win just to spite Bettman and because it was karmicly bullshit how a small but hockey rabid market like Winnipeg lost their team to Phoenix of all places.
Realistically, Hamilton (or another locale in the greater Toronto area) will probably get a team within the next 5-10 years. But it'll be on the NHL's terms and come in as an expansion team so that the owners can divvy up the expansion fee without cutting the players in on the deal. Knowing Bettman, Kansas City or Las Vegas would probably be the sister franchise too. Urgghhhh....
Realistically, Hamilton (or another locale in the greater Toronto area) will probably get a team within the next 5-10 years. But it'll be on the NHL's terms and come in as an expansion team so that the owners can divvy up the expansion fee without cutting the players in on the deal. Knowing Bettman, Kansas City or Las Vegas would probably be the sister franchise too. Urgghhhh....
Rapping Granny
Banned
FUCK!
$300Million in losses since 1996 and Bettman still wants to keep it in the middle of a motherfucking desert.
An NBA franchise in Nunavut has a greater chance of success.
FUCK
$300Million in losses since 1996 and Bettman still wants to keep it in the middle of a motherfucking desert.
An NBA franchise in Nunavut has a greater chance of success.
FUCK
Too much travel?Mike Works said:
This sucks. 7 Canadian teams would've been cool. Plus, it just makes good business sense for the NHL to move a team out of a shitty market into a good one. I hope they continue to lose millions in the desert - would be fun to watch.
purg3 said:
Wow I was really close to both you guys too. I was at 5 PPG place standing in a notch in the building on some paint buckets right by where these pictures were taken. My phone went dead at the parade and I just got back to my place so I'll try and load up some photos tomorrow.
I've hardly posted at all in this thread because every time I have in the past the Pens have lost. So I banned myself from the thread for the playoffs. Good deal, plus I think the rest of the forum is happy to not have another Pens fan to listen to.
Crazymoogle
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Wow, so the NHL stall tactics did work, because the Judge basically said there wasn't enough time. I wonder if Balsillie will ante up again towards a next season, or if it's basically a done deal to the sox owner now...
EDIT: So much for the Coyotes creditors. There goes their only shot at substantial payback. :lol
EDIT: So much for the Coyotes creditors. There goes their only shot at substantial payback. :lol
Mike Works
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Yeah, Balsillie wanted to put Hamilton in the Northwest Division, as much fucking sense as that made.Pochacco said:
So that means Vancouver, who already has the worst travel schedule in the league, would have to fly to yet another time zone, or they'd get moved to the Pacific Division and lose out on their best rivalries.
It looks like I'm the only person here that's glad that it didn't go through, but there's not one way you can lose Phoenix and gain Hamilton without creating a major headache for the conferences/divisions.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Crazymoogle said:
To me, this is the most important thing to think about. As if people weren't hesitant enough to put money into a hockey organization in America, Bettman is now telling you that the league won't even let you TRY to get your money back if the team fails.
Stupid, stupid move. This is going to push businessmen away from the NHL.
Crazymoogle
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Mike Works said:
I'm kinda surprised he even had an opinion on that; I don't think he would have any say in the matter apart from voicing it as a question in the general meeting.
I don't think there's much question that his only choices would be Central Division or the Eastern Conference. I'm guessing Central as no doubt there are other teams that could flexibly move there (It's still insane, but...)
Anyway, my point is that winning a team would at the very least force the NHL to disregard his wishes regarding the division. :lol
I guess I'm the only one happy as shit that BALDzilly didn't get his way. I certainly think the Coyotes need to do something with all of their losses from a business point, but man they have such a nice arena close to me so I can catch Pens games.
I'm thinking ultimately Bettman has a plan to move the coyotes to a more lucrative city then Hamilton though where it would divide fan bases. I gotta think Las Vegas and Seattle have to be at the top of the list. KC is logical, but we would have to be worried that maybe farmers in KC don't like hockey and only like college sports ... I would give a lot of thought to moving the franchise back to either Hartford, Winnipeg or Quebec City again....
I'm thinking ultimately Bettman has a plan to move the coyotes to a more lucrative city then Hamilton though where it would divide fan bases. I gotta think Las Vegas and Seattle have to be at the top of the list. KC is logical, but we would have to be worried that maybe farmers in KC don't like hockey and only like college sports ... I would give a lot of thought to moving the franchise back to either Hartford, Winnipeg or Quebec City again....
It's not all over for Balsillie, they still have to find a buyer willing to keep the team local. Bettman coming out and saying 4 other groups are willing to keep the team there could've just been bs to help sway the judge. Fact is, this would have been a piss poor precedent to set for skirting league rules through bankruptcy. Coyotes aren't in the clear yet by any means.
vatstep
This poster pulses with an appeal so broad the typical restraints of our societies fall by the wayside.
The Bruins re-signed Peter Chiarelli to a multi-year contract. He's done a lot for the team in the three years he's been here (along with his right hand man Cam fucking Neely), so it's pretty key that they were able to lock him up early. I don't even want to think about what the team would look like right now without him and Julien.
No! My 'Hawks just started getting their fans back....a team in Milwaukee would take fans away!!R_GILL said:
Actually, I think Milwaukee is a perfect city for an NHL team. Hockey is pretty big in Wisconsin and I think the geographical rivalries with Chicago, Minnesota, and Detroit could be a huge positive.
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