Psychotext
Member
I bought SOCOM in the UK for the headset... and I don't even have a PS3 yet. :lolJ-Rzez said:
I'll probably drop the game off at CEX / Gamestation or something like that.
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Official October 2008 NPD Results
- Thread starter sonycowboy
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I'll probably drop the game off at CEX / Gamestation or something like that.
chespace said:
I'd hate to break it to you, but there have been gamers playing just one game since the dawn of electronic gaming. Be it Pacman, Mario, Halo, or Wii Sports/Wii Fit.
And for your comment about 3rd parties seeing huge profits from the ecosystem of PS3/Xbox 360. That simply isn't true. It's factually incorrect and I'll assume you misspoke instead of purposefully spouting bullshit. For all the "huge revenue" pointed, people point to massive blockbuster games such as Fallout, which would do well on any platform due to the budget for production and marketing. If Fallout 3, with the same production value (not graphics folks) and with the same level of marketing was released exclusively on the Wii, it would have done well. One reason we haven't seen the huge 3rd party breakout hit on the Wii is that the same factors that push hits on other platforms haven't been applied to the Wii.
Also, when referencing huge gains 3rd parties have seen on 360/PS3, gross revenue doesn't mean shit. Many 3rd party game have released to no fanfare, substandard sales, and lose a lot of money. Couple the increased cost of development and the game industry has become like the movie industry, they bank on one or two major hits to carry them through the year. That is not a healthy ecosystem. You should be looking at the gross margin that publishers get from each platform. I'm willing to bet that that is strongest on the DS and Wii.
But continue being a major twit.
perfectchaos007
Member
Drop. The price. Sony. It doesn't take a marketing genius to figure that one out. You will sell more units, make less profit, but your profit comes in the software anyway, and more PS3 units sold = more software profit.
NintendosBooger
Member
Good job, Nintendo.
Keep up with the sales and keep hogging up the top 10 software list.
Keep up with the sales and keep hogging up the top 10 software list.
gregor7777
Banned
perfectchaos007 said:
Are they making any profit now? I mean have we ever had official word on that?
EDIT: on the hardware, I mean
I'm not sure it's that easy of a decision for Sony. For starter's, we don't the specifics of how much they usually make on software, and ultimately, we don't know if that extra software profit would be enough to cover the losses caused by a price drop on the hardware. If it was enough, you would think that Sony would drop the price already, but they obviously haven't.perfectchaos007 said:
TheKingsCrown
Banned
We also don't know how soon PS4 with Wii capabilities is coming out.RBH said:
Kill Your Masters
Member
Month of the NPD. Until November NPD hits GAF.DMeisterJ said:
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
I had no idea that part of the New Xbox Experience would be the 2:1 crushing of the PS3. I hear the lamentation of the women....
GarthVaderUK
Banned
Hellraizer said:
Ahh, November NPDs. Hard to believe that this was 2 years ago:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHUUIJi9t8c
manueldelalas
Time Traveler
GarthVaderUK said:
=O
gregor7777
Banned
TheBranca18 said:
I'm just being snarky.
It definitely looks up my alley, I just need to buy a PS3 again at some point.
Justin Bailey
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Can we say recession-proof?
Opus Angelorum
Member
This thread has moved fast overnight, the Motorstorm 2 numbers ever posted?
manueldelalas
Time Traveler
Justin Bailey said:Can we say recession-proof?
Reggie: "Recession?, what recession? It's not my problem"
Iwata: "laughs".
Pureauthor
Member
GarthVaderUK said:
This THIS. This @*&(#^% video was the reason NPD cracked down on us. Thanks a lot guys.
Justin Bailey
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It was going to happen eventually anyway.Pureauthor said:
Justin Bailey
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But seriously though, the rest of retail did completely shitty in October. Go video games.
Psychotext
Member
Sadly no.Opus Angelorum said:
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Jewbacca said:
Sure.
Microsoft could do a controller-game package. They haven't.
Sony could do a controller-game package. They haven't.
Both could make waggle wands. They haven't.
Sony could lower the PS3's price to $99. They haven't.
Wii Play is clearly making Nintendo an enormous amount of profit. The only point you make by saying "Wii play shouldn't count! Anyone can bundle a controller and a cheap game and make millions!" is that Microsoft and Sony are clinically stupid for throwing away all that cash.
Aaron Strife
Banned
Do you have anything to substantiate your argument?Durante said:
There hasn't been one big-budget third party game released on Wii. If niche shit like No More Heroes can sell over 400,000 copies with limited advertising then I'd say there's a fair amount of Wii owners willing to buy core games.
I hope that next gen, while Sony and Microsoft scramble to focus their efforts on the casual market, Nintendo pulls a fast one and makes a bunch of core games for their newly converted user base, via the Wii Sports -> Mario Galaxy sequence.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
gimmmick said:
Just the same way Eurotrash spanks any quality bands around here...,wait a minute, you just....OH MY GOD!!
All those poor idiots who don't have the sense to like the same games you do.gimmmick said:
Tsk tsk tsk.
I weep for their souls. Hopefully they will wake up from the brainwashing and care enough about videogames to purchase a console actually worth buying.
Why won't they realize that nobody wants their money? The industry can sustain itself just fine without them. All they have to do is keep bringing the product we love, spend more and more money to make them so that we can have our 2-week fix, and the industry will be fine.
gimmmick said:
I suppose it largely comes down to price & marketing. Sony is fucked until they lower the price, and Microsoft is doing about as good as you can with the traditional market / demographics.
Despite Nintendo's mediocre library of games, the system sells.
What drives me crazy is the Nintendo fanboys who claim the system's success is in part due to these random niche games they cite as successful, despite the fact that the software numbers for anything not Mario Kart or Wii Fit are actually quite bad relative to how many consoles are in the market.
lowlylowlycook
Member
Because Nintendo put 800k Wiis on the shelves.Second said:
Stumpokapow said:
Wii is pretty uniquely positioned to take advantage of a wii play-like bundle. It's seen as a system for the whole family, which means that just about everyone who buys a Wii is looking for a second controller. Plenty of 360 and PS3 owners only have the controller that comes with the system.
In addition, the Wii is seen by a lot of people as being Wii Sports, so a minigame compilation like Wii Play is going to get a lot more attention from Wii owners than it would elsewere. I guess MS or Sony could have bundled a high-budget blockbuster with a controller to hit their demographics, but that would be a dangerous move since the game would have to be a Wii Play-level success to turn a profit.
Nintendo were in a position where they could sell a ton of copies of a no-budget game like Wii Play, and they did.
Neo C. said:
the industry has never seen things pan out like this. Massively expensive machine = fail, cheapass waggle machine = win (massively) That can change things a lot.
As for the 'so what if people only play one game' thing - well it does matter, as it changes the landscape (as does wii succeeding).
If more people buy fewer games, then the market grows, but they buy less games per machine. That means as a console manufacturer, you have to look at making profit in the hardware rather than relying on large volumes of software paying the bills.
That puts pressure on R&D and cost of goods for your new console.
None of this bodes well for expensive, well equipped machines next gen.
Maybe by default we'll get a reasonable upgrade over 360/PS3 due to GPUs/CPU capabilties increasing, even if we don't get a bleeding edge one
mrklaw said:
surely this was posted already in this thread, so i'm not going to look for a link
(this is america only, third party only and first 23 mths of each console only)
wii is a little bit higher than ps3 (by not more that 0.5 to 1 game per console), and 360 is a fair amount higher than both (about a game or two per console)
So apparently wii owners buy more games than PS3 owners, at least for third party titles they do
Ulairi said:
Yeah, thats where the marketing comes into play. As questionably useful as waggle might be, it was a brilliant marketing strategy.
I just found out my 85 year old Grandpa bought a Wii last month to play Wii Sports.... I mean, good hell, you just can't compete with that kind of brand awareness.
Well, it'd be zero if they only plated Wii Sport, unless you try to spin the figures to include Wii Sports in the tie ratio. But some of themmrklaw said:
But, let's be fair, two other "games" have sold, Wii Fit and Mario Kart. Judging the top 10, Wii sells about 1 game per console on top of Wii Play (about half each buy Mario Kart or Wii Fit), so Wii's tie ratio is probably somewhere around the 1.5 mark. With the November/December hardware sales, that can only drop.
You know Wii is still shit until the tie ratio is greater than PS3 and 360 combined.
Actually i would like to see a graph of which games that have over a budget of 20million sell on Wii. The tie ratio of those games vs on PS3 and 360. I bet you they aren't even close.
Live with it NinFans. The Wii will never have the same tie ratio of 3rd party games that have a budget of over 20 million on PS3 and 360 combined because you play nothing but Nintendo games and casual trash :lol
*steps back and waits for the football*
Actually i would like to see a graph of which games that have over a budget of 20million sell on Wii. The tie ratio of those games vs on PS3 and 360. I bet you they aren't even close.
Live with it NinFans. The Wii will never have the same tie ratio of 3rd party games that have a budget of over 20 million on PS3 and 360 combined because you play nothing but Nintendo games and casual trash :lol
*steps back and waits for the football*
EVERY single last person in my department owns a Wii. Almost everyone in my family owns a Wii. Almost everyone in my wife's family owns a Wii. Almost all of our friends own a Wii (casual and gamers). We have NEVER recommended anyone buy a Wii or even talked about ours too much with any of them.lawblob said:
Videogames this gen are "Nintendo". You can always tell what THE system is each gen. IS it "a Sony", "a Sega", "a Nintendo"... This gen is once again "a Nintendo". but to a ridiculous degree. Mark my words, at this point I am confident in saying the Wii will be the most successful console of all time. Even more than SNES, NES, and PS2. The only thing that would prevent that from happening is Nintendo willingly shortening the generation.