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Official October 2008 NPD Results
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supermackem
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Wii is teh fucking monster, i dont like the wii but you have to give ninty props is this the biggest turn around in console history. From the cube selling okish to ds selling fuckton then wii comes and totally fucking owns everyone.
Private Hoffman
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jibblypop said:
4 days vs. half a month + pack in?
I wouldn't take too much out of that. November should have LBP doing okay and SOCOM will fall like a rock.
fizzelopeguss
Banned
PS3 is a corpse.
Karma said:
I meant it that it won't push out PS3's by the truck load, I meant it more that sadly enough for Sony, that is the biggest selling point for product hitting before xmas. But I wouldn't doubt that it does actually sell some PS3's due to people on the fence, perhaps the hard core gamers that will justify picking up one for Blu-Ray and for say Killzone 2. The Dark Knight was a huge box office title, and if Sony has any smarts what so ever, they'll start a mini-campaign for KZ2 in Dec as well to maybe get some people to buy it in advance for the movies and the couple AAA titles on the machine to hold them over until KZ2 (and the eventual GoW3, GT5, perhaps inFamous, etc).
jibblypop said:
SOCOM actually has a pretty hardcore following. I'm curious what it sold via Bundle and DL total. Other SOCOMs did sell over a million copies iirc. And people will buy it because it is SOCOM, despite it's handful of issues left atm.
But yeah, I wish LBP to sell more, but like others said, it only has a couple sales days under it's belt for the month, it's not a typical "hardcore genre" title, and will be a slow burn word of mouth title. And it deserves it as it maybe the most brilliant platformer out there.
fizzelopeguss said:
frustrating for owners though. its a great little machine. game lineup is pretty competitive now. Is it just price thats holding it back, or does it now have some kind of image problem in consumers minds? Is there massive demand from old PS2 owners holding off due to the entry price point, or have they all just bought 360s?
domokunrox
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claviertekky said:
I can tell you right now that they're hiring significantly less interns then they normally do. This is in all departments.
djblackice said:
Gary Whitta was defending video games on TV before you learned to post stupid comments.
1999 Fox News
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfw0DYUzu44
Private Hoffman
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mrklaw said:
It's mostly price, plus...to be honest, they didn't have the proven killer app this holiday season.
Gears 2 is a known quantity. Fable 2 is a known quantity.
LittleBigPlanet is unknown, Resistance 2 is a sequel to a mildly popular shooter, but certainly one that did not do amazingly well. MotorStorm 2 is unfortunately a game that most people overlook because racers aren't that big anymore, and people shrug off racing sequels in a very competitive month.
It's a great month for gamers, that's for sure. PS3 has had a spectacular lineup of games this year, but it didn't have enough proven big guns for the holiday season.
I know I'm going to get a "bbbuuuuu Just wait!!!" response, but 2009 should be stronger IF they can manage to deliver some key titles for the holiday season.
God of War 3 could be a huge title for them next year if it releases, but I have serious doubts that it will. My guess is that the earliest you will see God of War 3 is Spring 2010....so that basically leaves Uncharted 2, Heavy Rain, MAG (if it releases), Gran Turismo 5, and TRICO (again, probably not going to be released until 2010).
If all or most of those games releases next fall, they'll have an excellent season. But if they're left with Gran Turismo 5, Uncharted 2 and Heavy Rain, gamers will love it, but unfortunately Nathan Drake isn't 600 pounds and doesn't wield a chainsaw so it won't be a big enough title for them.
Rand al Thor 19
Junior Member
J-Rzez said:
KZ2 this, KZ2 that, KZ2 all the time..... is that all you talk about??? Everything you post about mentions KZ2 in it somewhere no matter how unreleated the topic is. I mean seriously, do you work for Sony or Guerrila??? Do you get paid for how many times you mention KZ2 a day???
Rand al Thor 19 said:
:lol
O.K. guy. I'll see if I can squeeze more KZ2 comments in the WoW threads just for you. It's a killer app that has impressed me to no end, and I adore shooters. It IS relevant to this discussion as it will push machines if you like it or not. "Everything" is a little much. You need to relax, go fill a tube sock or something.
And, to be clear, you're accusing me of being a viral marketer?
Revolutionary
Member
But, of course, fanboys have to jump at every opportunity to downplay the game because it's for the PS3.Zen said:
Personally, 200k in what... 3-4 days (depending if you count Tuesday, the 28th) is damn good to me.
But alas, this and other posts with reason will fall upon deaf (and ignorant) ears.
marvelharvey
Member
I'll take a wild guess, KZ2!Nocebo said:
Private Hoffman
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acm2000 said:
You mean, another year for the Wii? Probably.
Because that system is selling more than both next-gen consoles combined, and more than twice 360 sales, even though the 360 is priced considerably cheaper now at 199 with a more compelling lineup (arguably).
domokunrox said:
It was on Steam day 1, but I do not think there was a preorder discount. It was also on D2D day 1.
I don't think you can really judge PC numbers these days without knowing the DD numbers. I think a significant proportion of PC gamers are on board with DD. I only buy games DD these days.
fizzelopeguss
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Nocebo said:
Because the more those good games sell the more good games we get. If sony keeps pumping in big money and keeps getting lacklustre returns how long are they going to contunue doing it for? The PS3 is doomed to always play second fiddle in multiplatform games. PS3 owners are paying their £45 $60 just like 360 owners.
LBP has had some big money spent on it, if resistance 2 doesn't do well then sony could potentially lose one of it's biggest assets in insomniac.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
SapientWolf said:
My numbers were off but I got the gist of it right.
If Sony doesn't drop the price of the PS3 then there is a good chance that it will be outsold by the PS2 this Christmas.
Private Hoffman
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fizzelopeguss said:
Actually, LBP was made by a small team of only about ~20 people or so. And, to be quite honest, given their current marketing campaign, I don't think they spent much money on advertising either.
In terms of a financial success, LBP already is one with only
And, even if Resistance 2 doesn't sell a ton, it will likely end up being one of their best sellers they've made. They manage to make a game every single year, so it's not like each game needs to be a blockbuster for them to do well.
Shake Appeal
Member
Well, the fact that Fallout 3 sold well at all depresses me, so I guess it all balances out.Vyse The Legend said:
Private Hoffman
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BTW, are we going to get more sales data? I really wish they'd hand out the top 20 figures and not just the top 10.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
Disappear my ass. It's not like stores are slashing prices to $5 in order to get rid of all those copies of Halo 3 no one wants. I think Saints Row 1 even ended back up on the NPDs a few months after GTAIV came out. No one bothers to track hardcore titles because they don't have to before they call the game a success.Coolio McAwesome said:
Personally, I think Wii Music is a little too abstract for the mainstream audience it's going for. If it had shipped with a new peripheral (a keyboard maybe) it might have stood a better chance. People understand the concept behind a keyboard. I don't think people can really get Wii Music just by reading the promotional material. It might do a little over a million in sales over its lifetime, but I can guarantee that it will drop in price.
Ruud_Luiten
Member
It's also image... people see hundreds of Xbox360 games in stores and much less PS3 games.mrklaw said:
People see Xbox360 and PS3 games and they don't differ visually!
Why would they buy a PS3 if Xbox360 gives them more games to choose at a much lower price, and why would they buy a PS3 if they can waggle for much less money.
That's how consumers think.
chespace said:I'm subsidized by MS. :lol Can't complain about the bi-weekly stipend, oh yes.
Please, get out of the fucking basement, kids.
Also, what good is winning a console war when your most ardent fanbase is starved for games?
You simply can't deny the fact that both 360 and PS3 ecosystems are very healthy for third-parties profits. Nintendo Wii? Not so much comparatively. Good for sending Yamauchi to the heavens, yes, but not much else.
What the hell? I'm pretty sure any person who can read a financial report can deny that. EAs losing money hand over fist. Activision's profits are being driven by Guitar Hero and a MMO. Ubisoft's profits are making money from their DS lineup. Everyone else is pretty much losing money.
The 360 and PS3 ecosystems are very healthy for third party revenue.
I am one of the evil individuals that purchased Socom instead of the fantastic life changing experience that is LBP. Maybe it's because I was in the LBP beta, and I found the both the idea of creating bad levels as well as playing others bad levels immensely dull. So here I sit with my somewhat defunct Socom, and I still enjoy it way more than I enjoyed LBP. And I got a headset. Rejoice. Speaking of PS3 titles; how come the world doesn't understand the greatness of Valkyria Chronicles?
When it comes to the 360, I find the NXE faster and easier to use than the old worthless Dash, Fable II is fun and the console still sounds like a fucking jet engine.
Microsoft, why don't you ready up a new and improved (silent) version of the console as well as a controller with a decent D-Pad and release it as a counter to Sonys much needed price drop for the PS3? Because they refuse to lower the price? Daft buggers, aren't they? Good for you though.
When it comes to the 360, I find the NXE faster and easier to use than the old worthless Dash, Fable II is fun and the console still sounds like a fucking jet engine.
Microsoft, why don't you ready up a new and improved (silent) version of the console as well as a controller with a decent D-Pad and release it as a counter to Sonys much needed price drop for the PS3? Because they refuse to lower the price? Daft buggers, aren't they? Good for you though.
Private Hoffman
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Billen said:
Too bad. You're missing out on a great single player mode in LBP, tons of great user created levels, and an actual GOOD reason to use that headset. But whatever floats your boat.
Billen said:
you do realise new 360s are ALOT quieter thanks to the liteon drive, the console itself isnt very noisy either, my june 06 model isnt very loud with no disc in, and even with a disc in it is quieter than my 40GB ps3 when its fans kick up with a game thats pushing it more (uncharted)
you guys are reacting as if 190k is half its actual value. In all fairness, 200k is considered average or decent, the number is just polarized by the effects of 360s price cut and wii's pwnage. PS3 has seen much worse months. While certainly not good, this month was alright
My two cents:
Hardware
- Nice to see those Wii numbers. Nintendo is awesome just for bringing more and different kind of people to my favorite hobby, which can only help the industry longterm - and will thus lead to more awesome games.
- Good going for 360, thats what a price drop and a very good eoy games lineup does for you.
- As has been pointed out several times, Stringer is more interested in getting/keeping Sony profitable than in winning some mindless console wars only some random internet guys care about. 3rd place for PS3 is getting cemented that way.
Software:
- I´m very happy to see a Molyneux game sell so good. I do not even care if the game is awesome (what I think it is), I´m just happy to see him succeed.
- I´m totally amazed at the lack of GHWT/RB on the charts. Former iterations sold extremely well, so maybe its a sign of the overall economic downturn?
- Fallout3 is an amazing game I hope will continue at this pace throughout the holiday season.
- LBP, on sale for as long as Fallout3 in the NPD period, doesn´t look too hot in comparison. But its a casual game on the most hardcore (and most expensive) console. Let´s see if it can grow legs - alas I doubt it, taking the installed base into consideration.
PS: People, stop reacting to Hans (aka Snah, aka Hoffmann or whatever). Its just not worth it.
PPS: At least stop quoting him (/her, /it), otherwise ignore lists make no sense.
Hardware
- Nice to see those Wii numbers. Nintendo is awesome just for bringing more and different kind of people to my favorite hobby, which can only help the industry longterm - and will thus lead to more awesome games.
- Good going for 360, thats what a price drop and a very good eoy games lineup does for you.
- As has been pointed out several times, Stringer is more interested in getting/keeping Sony profitable than in winning some mindless console wars only some random internet guys care about. 3rd place for PS3 is getting cemented that way.
Software:
- I´m very happy to see a Molyneux game sell so good. I do not even care if the game is awesome (what I think it is), I´m just happy to see him succeed.
- I´m totally amazed at the lack of GHWT/RB on the charts. Former iterations sold extremely well, so maybe its a sign of the overall economic downturn?
- Fallout3 is an amazing game I hope will continue at this pace throughout the holiday season.
- LBP, on sale for as long as Fallout3 in the NPD period, doesn´t look too hot in comparison. But its a casual game on the most hardcore (and most expensive) console. Let´s see if it can grow legs - alas I doubt it, taking the installed base into consideration.
PS: People, stop reacting to Hans (aka Snah, aka Hoffmann or whatever). Its just not worth it.
PPS: At least stop quoting him (/her, /it), otherwise ignore lists make no sense.
acm2000 said:
My PS3 makes no sound. Wrong fan model in yours? Anyhow, has there been attempts to measure the sound levels in the latest iterations of the console?
Edit: And yeah when it comes to the post below: The PS3 has a nice library at the moment. The pricing is the main issue now.
I think people need to stop harping on content as an issue for PS3. "If some key titles arrive in 2009 etc..."
Content is and was absolutely not an issue for PS3 this year. The line up this year has been very strong already, as strong or stronger (imo) as any other platform.
That's not the issue. Look at price, look at marketing and so forth. But don't say 'when x/y/z arrives..'.... because such great content is already here. It's difficult to imagine PS3 having a much stronger year in 09 content-wise than 08, and that's only because 08's been really good.
Content is and was absolutely not an issue for PS3 this year. The line up this year has been very strong already, as strong or stronger (imo) as any other platform.
That's not the issue. Look at price, look at marketing and so forth. But don't say 'when x/y/z arrives..'.... because such great content is already here. It's difficult to imagine PS3 having a much stronger year in 09 content-wise than 08, and that's only because 08's been really good.
It's hard to reply / discuss with someone in a fast moving thread without quoting them. You're essentially saying noone should talk to this guy?Hammer24 said:
Average in what context? For a 3rd / 2nd place console? Yeah, I guess. But compared to what the ps2 used to do it probably isn't so good.
The Librarian
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Oh god you are so ignorant. :lol :lolmanueldelalas said:
AgentOtaku
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fernoca said:
Haven't read the entire thread yet (gonna take me all night!), but just wanted to emphasize this
Dead Space is STILL my game of the year! ...buy it people!