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Official "One more thing..." Apple Event thread

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CVXFREAK said:
Maybe a new iPod shuffle will be introduced at the event... I think it's overdue for a bump.

Doubt we will see any iPod announcements at this one, it's for the pro stuff:

Apple Computer is once again gathering the press together as it rolls out new innovations. The latest invitation-only event will be held in New York City on October 19, 2005 on the eve of PhotoPlus Expo. Apple doesn't say exactly what the press conference will be about, but the invitation sent to MacCentral asks to join them as "we unveil Apple's latest pro innovations."

Rumoured stuff:

Dual-core PowerMacs
HD PowerBooks
Photo Pro (new app)
13" widescreen PowerBook to replace the 12"
Airport Express AV

Hope the 13" PowerBook is true, I'd definitely get one of them as my laptop is dying.
 
Nash said:
Doubt we will see any iPod announcements at this one, it's for the pro stuff:



Rumoured stuff:

Dual-core PowerMacs
HD PowerBooks
Photo Pro (new app)
13" widescreen PowerBook to replace the 12"
Airport Express AV

Hope the 13" PowerBook is true, I'd definitely get one of them as my laptop is dying.

The powerbook line is very dead right now. Extremely poor price:performance ratio.
 
Phoenix said:
The powerbook line is very dead right now. Extremely poor price:performance ratio.

Yeah, be interesting to see what they do to them. Whether it will just be a token speedbump (in which case they will stay dead), or if it will something more significant.

Upgrading to the 7448 and increasing the bus speed (they are currently a bit crippled) would see quite a nice jump in performance. There's also the possiblity of built in iSight (they've patented a camera in latch thing), as well as going up to HD resolutions. The question is whether they let the PowerPC range go out with a bang, as decent updates are so long overdue now, or whether they hold off till the Intel switch.

shantyman said:
What exactly is a high deinition powerbook?

Widescreen and increased resolution across the range, with support for 720 on the 13" and 1080 on the 15" and 17".
 
Nash said:
Yeah, be interesting to see what they do to them. Whether it will just be a token speedbump (in which case they will stay dead), or if it will something more significant.

Yeah. I would hope that they would cram a G5 or a dual core G4 or SOMETHING into them, because without that all the other features are meaningless until the move to Intel. Maybe they will announce/show the Intel powerbooks at the event but not ship them until next year or something. Portables is where the market is hot now, and Apple is in a world of hurt right now.

Widescreen and increased resolution across the range, with support for 720 on the 13" and 1080 on the 15" and 17".

The sad thing is that even IF they went to HD for the powerbooks, unless they put a G5 in them its going to struggle.... a LOT... to play video at that resolution fullscreen unless they've thrown in some sort of hardware acceleration or something.
 
Well the fact they are having an event for their pro stuff does imply something surprising is coming. No one really saw the Nano or new iMac coming.

Updates to the PowerMacs are a certainty, so if they go dual-processor/dual-core G5's as expected it will leave the PowerBooks looking even more lacking. So they have to do something decent to them. Fingers crossed!
 
Nash said:
Yeah, be interesting to see what they do to them. Whether it will just be a token speedbump (in which case they will stay dead), or if it will something more significant.

Upgrading to the 7448 and increasing the bus speed (they are currently a bit crippled) would see quite a nice jump in performance. There's also the possiblity of built in iSight (they've patented a camera in latch thing), as well as going up to HD resolutions. The question is whether they let the PowerPC range go out with a bang, as decent updates are so long overdue now, or whether they hold off till the Intel switch.



Widescreen and increased resolution across the range, with support for 720 on the 13" and 1080 on the 15" and 17".

They already are widescreen, with the exception of the 12". Oh well, Phoenix is right- they have a chore ahead of them to make them interesting unless they pop in Intels early.
 
Am I crazy for thinking that Apple might upgrade their monitors as weel? The 20' WS is still a bit pricey for being the bottom of the line monitor, so a few new additions (iSight?) would definately help lessen the financial blow.
 
Maybe add an infrared receiver as well, like the new iMac, so they will work with the Apple Remote and Front Row.
 
Yeah. I would hope that they would cram a G5 or a dual core G4 or SOMETHING into them, because without that all the other features are meaningless until the move to Intel. Maybe they will announce/show the Intel powerbooks at the event but not ship them until next year or something. Portables is where the market is hot now, and Apple is in a world of hurt right now.
They'd never show the intel PB's before they *were* the new powerbooks. The only thing worse than offering a minor bump is offering a minor bump and saying "Here's yet another reason to not buy!"

Expect to see minor bumps in all features across the board (screen, speed, gpu, hdd, etc.).

At this point, Apple is focusing on bumping all other features, as working on those features is not "throw away," like working to cram 2 G4's into a PB would be.
 
Deku Tree said:
If they don't upgrade their monitors, I'm at least hoping for a price cut.

An Apple 20' CD for only $599 wouldn't be a bad thing at all. If that were the case, I could almost afford two of them and run them side by side.
 
fugimax said:
They'd never show the intel PB's before they *were* the new powerbooks. The only thing worse than offering a minor bump is offering a minor bump and saying "Here's yet another reason to not buy!"

Expect to see minor bumps in all features across the board (screen, speed, gpu, hdd, etc.).

At this point, Apple is focusing on bumping all other features, as working on those features is not "throw away," like working to cram 2 G4's into a PB would be.

We're not talking about cramming 2 G4s into a PB, we're talking about a dual core G4.... not two distinct processors. Thats no more throw away than putting dual core G5s into the PowerMacs.
 
My local Apple Store now has the new iPods. 30GB, white only.

Fucking amazing. It's actually the same width as the old iPods but the screen is much bigger, and it's much thinner.
 
Are the regular sized iPods really horrid to jog or run with? That's the only reason I'm even contemplating a Nano, but paying the same amount of money for a 4Gig Nano when I could get a 30Gig regular iPod seems stupid.
 
teiresias said:
Are the regular sized iPods really horrid to jog or run with? That's the only reason I'm even contemplating a Nano, but paying the same amount of money for a 4Gig Nano when I could get a 30Gig regular iPod seems stupid.

I don't think horrid describes it accurately. I'm completely foreign to the concept of any iPod skipping because it's never happened to me. I think there are bigger concerns about dropping the iPod itself since jogging sweats have loose pockets.
 
CVXFREAK said:
I don't think horrid describes it accurately. I'm completely foreign to the concept of any iPod skipping because it's never happened to me. I think there are bigger concerns about dropping the iPod itself since jogging sweats have loose pockets.

Well, I'd be getting an armband assuming there's one made available for the new sized iPods.
 
teiresias said:
Well, I'd be getting an armband assuming there's one made available for the new sized iPods.

Oh, those should be perfectly fine then. Just make sure to tighten the iPod and then the band itself.

So yes, new iPod is a better investment, feature-wise and even battery-wise.
 
Here are some pics from Engadget:

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teiresias said:
Are the regular sized iPods really horrid to jog or run with?

I have a 3G one and while its not a pain in the ass, its pretty close. The older 3G iPods are heavy enough to make an impression on you while jogging, even while strapped to you. I'd definitely get something smaller if you're doing a lot of physical activity. While you may be able to get away with excercising with it, I found it a definite annoyance.
 
AZYUMA86 said:
Here are some pics from Engadget:

Very nice. Apple are a bugger for dropping firewire though.

Oh well, another reason to get the 13" PowerBook if it's announced tmrw :)
 
teiresias said:
Are the regular sized iPods really horrid to jog or run with? That's the only reason I'm even contemplating a Nano, but paying the same amount of money for a 4Gig Nano when I could get a 30Gig regular iPod seems stupid.

It's not the same amount of money. A 30GB iPod is $50 more than a 4GB Nano. And while that's not a big difference in price, the size difference and 'moving parts' difference really put the two products in different market segments. If you want one for while you're exercising, the Nano is probably your best bet.
 
Deku Tree said:
Why can't you get firewire through that special apple plug? Is there some important reason?

It's the same dock connector, but like the Nano there's no firewire controller chip inside anymore. So even though you can plug a firewire lead in, you won't be able to transfer anything.

Cost reasons, lack of demand and a drive to get them as thin as possible all probably play a part in the decision. Bit of a kick in the teeth to Mac owners though, as there's still quite a few Macs in use without USB2.0.
 
My brother got his today and I'm going over to his house tonight to play with it and to test encoding some videos onto it. If I find out anything useful, I'll let you know.
 
Nash said:
It's the same dock connector, but like the Nano there's no firewire controller chip inside anymore. So even though you can plug a firewire lead in, you won't be able to transfer anything.

That's terrible. Is the firewire conroller chip big? That's really lame if it's just to cut costs, especially for the iPod Video. It'll take twice as long to copy a 20Gig movie onto my iPod using USB2.0 over firewire...
 
Deku Tree said:
That's terrible. Is the firewire conroller chip big? That's really lame if it's just to cut costs, especially for the iPod Video. It'll take twice as long to copy a 20Gig movie onto my iPod using USB2.0 over firewire...

I know :( Firewire is much more efficient. Atleast you have USB2.0 though. My Cube and PowerBook are only 1.0 which rules out a new iPod completely.
 
AZYUMA86 said:
Come on guys give some impressions.
iLounge has a bunch of updates, including 130 photos and top-ten lists for "technies" and "non-techies." You might want to surf over and check it out.

I was glad to hear that the bass has been improved significantly -- that pretty much cemented my decision to upgrade my 3G 20GB model since I don't care about video (have a PSP for that if I ever want to dabble) and have been out of room FOREVER.
 
Okay, just got back from spending about five hours with the new iPod (with video) and testing/converting a bunch of video and learned some interesting things.

First up, you can't just drag a file into iTunes and expect it to appear on your iPod. Even though iTunes itself can play most any format Quicktime can, only videos that are in the exact iPod compliant mpeg-4 standard will be transferred to your iPod. Simple, right? Not so. Even standard MPEG-4 files encoded in Quicktime Pro using all the correct settings DID NOT get transferred to the iPod.

The only videos we could get to transfer to the iPod were ones where we chose to export them using a new Quicktime Pro preset called "Export to iPod" that is available. This creates a video that uses the highest bitrate (around 700Kbps) file at 320x(whatever). The videos looked awesome but the preset is not customizable in any way. It does automatically preserve the aspect ratio though, which is nice.

We tried creating MPEG-4 and H.264 videos in FFMPEG, MENCODER and a couple of other compliant tools but none of those files would ever be transferred to the iPod by iTunes.

Readers on iPodLounge.com also discovered that videos generated from PSPWare are also compatible with the iPod, and iTunes WILL sync those. Although, the resulting videos from PSPWare are not as good as those that come from the "Export to iPod" Quicktime profile.

Another user stumbled upon a program called Videora iPod Converter for Windows but hadn't tried it yet. It may also work.

In any case, it seems that the .m4v files generated by Quicktime Pro (and PSPWare) may have unique headers that the iPod (and iTunes) checks for before allowing the videos to appear on the iPod. So be warned.

If you're on a Mac and don't have Quicktime Pro, the "Export to iPod" option will also appear within any program that allows Quicktime export such as iMovie and Final Cut.

Another strange thing about iTunes: If you right click a video and choose "Get Info" and switch to the "Options" tab you'll find an option to set whether the video is a Movie or Music Video. Setting this to music video will allow you to sort those separately. Yet, there is no option to set a video as "TV Show" or "Podcast". :/
 
ckohler: Thanks, bud! Can you tell us if the refresh rate is crisp? Is there any tearing and/or artifacting? Is it practical for every day use? How pixely was the highest compressed video?
 
Thanks for the news about iLounge -jinx- and thanks for the impressions ckohler. :)

I just want to know if my already converted shows for PSP will work straight away with this iPod. I guess there is no way to find out without actually buying one. =/

Also if these MP4s I have for my PSP don't work with this iPod is there a program I can use to make them work? Thanks. Not really savy when it comes to video converting.
 
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