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[rickybooby87]

Thanks to some early access users, the final PS5 PRO system specs have leaked straight from the manual. The screenshot below is from
a Brazilian model (embargo be damned oversees) but some interesting highlights here:

1. GPU is 16.7 TFLOPs (that just the +67% CUs that Sony mentioned). Dual Issue TFLOPS is 16.7 x 2= 33.4 TFLOPS. This seems to confirm that the GPU clock speed is the same as the base (no mention of a boost mode)
2. Still 8C/16T Zen 2 CPU (we knew this)
3. Here is something new: an additional 2GB of DDR5 is present for the OS. Total system RAM is now 18GB!
4. There are still no published clock speeds (probably implying that they are the same)

So on the whole, this is what an additional $250 gets you:

• 2GB more RAM
• 28% faster memory
• 2TB storage
• 67% larger GPU
• RDNA 4 advanced ray tracing
• AI powered PlayStation Spectral Super Resolution (PSSR)
• Ultra boost mode for PS4 and PS5 games
• System wide image enhancement for PS4 titles
• Wifi 7
• Bluetooth 5.1
• Smaller more efficient form factor

Still not worth it?

The fact that Mark Cerny has not collapsed under the weight of his ginormous god like NUTSACK should be studied by science

 

[Synastry]

Insecure console fanboys you mean.

The name of the thread is PS5 Pro specs finally.

And your in here spamming how your precious 3000$ PC is better then a 700$ gaming system.

 

[Nex240]

Still no confirmation about RDNA4. AW2 not having path tracing probably means it's still 3.

 

[Three]

Yes but remember AI upscaling techniques do have a higher demand on system (V)RAM by default.

It's only 250MB only apparently.

 

[SweetTooth]

PS5 Pro threads sure are entertaining with all the insecure PC fanboys.

Nothing like eating breakfast and reading all there salty post you would think Sony came to there house and stole there precious PCs.

Its not PC fanboys , Sony has been taking names since 1994, that would create lots of enemies

 

[Bojji]

The name of the thread is PS5 Pro specs finally.

Yeah.

Pro was hyped to be 33TF before that - I always said it's 16TF - I was attacked
People said it will be 500$, i always said it will be more (600-700$) - I was attacked

PS fanboys are coping with that price, it's not something they expected.

Still no confirmation about RDNA4. AW2 not having path tracing probably means it's still 3.

It at least has full RDNA2 features (VRS, MS) and RDNA4 like RT hardware.

Just like PS5 was RDNA1 in raster part but had RDNA2 RT.

 

[SweetTooth]

Still no confirmation about RDNA4. AW2 not having path tracing probably means it's still 3.

Last I heard its RDNA 0.5

 

[Codeblew]

Just saying, you can use that ignore button if so tempted.

Wait, you think a $695 PC can outperform the PS5 PRO?

 

[SweetTooth]

Yeah.

Pro was hyped to be 33TF before that - I always said it's 16TF - I was attacked
People said it will be 500$, i always said it will be more (600-700$) - I was attacked

PS fanboys are coping with that price, it's not something they expected.

I commend you for seeing the value of what Sony offered. Kudos

 

[Senua]

The name of the thread is PS5 Pro specs finally.

And your in here spamming how your precious 3000$ PC is better then a 700$ gaming system.

 

[hussar16]

Remember the console does not do ai upscale to all ps4 games. Do its pointless

 

[Bojji]

I commend you for seeing the value of what Sony offered. Kudos

I was basing this on unhinged PS5 price (it even increased). People expected PS4 Pro situation but this clearly wasn't the case.

600$ PS5 Pro WITH disc drive would be great value, 700$ with disc drive would be still... ok. But 800 EUROS without disc drive is just lol worthy, Americans have it much better this time (for the first time).

 

[Fabieter]

The audio chip is also gonna be larger which lowers cpu load which is needed to deliver their promise for better 60 fps games. Still not sold though.

 

[pasterpl]

PS5 Pro still literally is the cheapest device for high-end gaming.

We have got vastly different definitions of high-end gaming then.

 

[Three]

Nvidia flops are more efficient. 7700XT is 17.6TF and still slower than that 16.2TF 4070 in raster:

Even more confirmation that TF can't be compared between architectures.

While you're right that TF is meaningless and often not the whole picture, what you're showing is just as meaningless in saying nvidia TF is more efficient because it's based on windows drivers and DX game performance summaries at 4k on Tech Power Up. These do not apply to games running under Vulkan, PS, etc.

 

[Heisenberg007]

We have got vastly different definitions of high-end gaming then.

Share your definition please.

But make sure that it something that is widely available to consumers and relatively affordable. Do not share examples of anamolies.

 

[Senua]

Share your definition please.

But make sure that it something that is widely available to consumers and relatively affordable. Do not share examples of anamolies.

High end is not about affordability, is it.

 

[Mr Moose]

Remember the console does not do ai upscale to all ps4 games. Do its pointless

If you buy a PS5 Pro to play PS4 games, you have a problem.

 

[Bojji]

While you're right that TF is meaningless and often not the whole picture, what you're showing is just as meaningless in saying nvidia TF is more efficient because it's based on windows drivers and DX game performance summaries at 4k on Tech Power Up. These do not apply to games running under Vulkan, PS, etc.

In the end 95% of PC players are stuck to Windows and DX12/DX11/Vulcan so this chart is absolutely representative, "hidden power" doesn't matter until it can be utilized. Recently Zen CPUs got few % boost just from Windows update...

In console space that 7700XT would be more efficient for sure but SAME is true for 4070.

 

[SweetTooth]

I was basing this on unhinged PS5 price (it even increased). People expected PS4 Pro situation but this clearly wasn't the case.

600$ PS5 Pro WITH disc drive would be great value, 700$ with disc drive would be still... ok. But 800 EUROS without disc drive is just lol worthy, Americans have it much better this time (for the first time).

Great that you applied some rational thinking here. Now .. your second paragraph is completely subjective but you can still continue with your rationale and compare Pro with similar products in this field.

Xbox 2TB at $600 -- PS5 Pro at $700 is no brainer

Continue this with PS5, RTX cards (don't forget to add CPUs, Ram ..etc)

You will find Pro to be reasonably priced, but I know alot of "usual suspects" are not here to have logical and reasonable discussion about value and or price.

When its all said and done, PS5 Pro is the "cheapest" gaming product with that set of gaming capabilities.. early 2025 or mid year we might have something comparable in PC space "value wise"

 

[twilo99]

Wait, you think a $695 PC can outperform the PS5 PRO?

No, but a $1000 one certainly can.

 

[Heisenberg007]

No, but a $1000 one certainly can.

That'd defeat the point then, won't it?

"I can match this performance (kind of) if I spend 43% more money" isn't exactly a good pitch.

 

[Gaiff]

Can we stop with the PC comparisons and talk about 390W? What does it mean? What’s on the regular PS5’s box? 250W? Anyone has a box so we can compare the numbers?

 

[Clear]

No, but a $1000 one certainly can.

So "only" 35% more... Actually more like 40% when factoring in all the little things that PC advocates conveniently omit like OS and accessories.

 

[SweetTooth]

That'd defeat the point then, won't it?

"I can match this performance (kind of) if I spend 43% more money" isn't exactly a good pitch.

They are used to Nvidia repackaging old tech as new and rise the price 200%

Did you think they understand anything about value?

Edit: maybe thats why they are poor as f*ck as per last stat

 

[King Dazzar]

I wonder why it mentions the two USB C ports differently. One is High Speed and the other as Super Speed (along with the two USB A rear ports being Super Speed too). So if the two front USB C ports are different speeds, anyone know which is the faster of the two?

 

[Bojji]

Great that you applied some rational thinking here. Now .. your second paragraph is completely subjective but you can still continue with your rationale and compare Pro with similar products in this field.

Xbox 2TB at $600 -- PS5 Pro at $700 is no brainer

Continue this with PS5, RTX cards (don't forget to add CPUs, Ram ..etc)

You will find Pro to be reasonably priced, but I know alot of "usual suspects" are not here to have logical and reasonable discussion about value and or price.

When its all said and done, PS5 Pro is the "cheapest" gaming product with that set of gaming capabilities.. early 2025 or mid year we might have something comparable in PC space "value wise"

In Europe it's not reasonably priced at all.

Comparison with Xbox is meaningless, this thing is dead no matter the price point. MS just don't want to lose any money on it.

In Poland, PC better than Pro in EVERY WAY is just 14% more expensive.

Americans are better treated by Sony here...

Can we stop with the PC comparisons and talk about 390W? What does it mean? What’s on the regular PS5’s box? 250W? Anyone has a box so we can compare the numbers?

I think max PSU power is meaningless. This console won't get close to that in regular gaming.

 

[Gaiff]

DGrayson Do you mind moderating this thread? It’s again devolving into a pointless PC vs PS5 Pro price war. Can’t we discuss the damn Pro’s specs in peace?

Also, I looked back the last few pages and 390W is taking into accounts the peaks. Apparently, the PS5 can peak at 350W, so 390W on the box is sensible. I was worried it was a power hog, but it’s probably just a tiny bit more than the base model.

 

[Senua]

They are used to Nvidia repackaging old tech as new and rise the price 200%

Did you think they understand anything about value?

Edit: maybe thats why they are poor as f*ck as per last stat

 

[KeplerL2]

I wonder how he could tell if it's N5 or N4, considering that it's a 6% difference in logic density between the 2.

Could be N5 technically, but given the timing N4P makes more sense, since it's lower cost per transistor.

 

[DinoD]

In Europe it's not reasonably priced at all.

Comparison with Xbox is meaningless, this thing is dead no matter the price point. MS just don't want to lose any money on it.

In Poland, PC better than Pro in EVERY WAY is just 14% more expensive.

Americans are better treated by Sony here...



I think max PSU power is meaningless. This console won't get close to that in regular gaming.

You forgot to include a copy of windows, keyboard and a mouse/controller. Also a fee for putting this all together given that PS5 pro comes pre-assembled.

Sorry. What was your point again?

 

[Senua]

You forgot to include a copy of windows

Sorry. What was your point again?

Someone should tell him

 

[Bojji]

You forgot to include a copy of windows, keyboard and a mouse/controller. Also a fee for putting this all together given that PS5 pro comes pre-assembled.

Sorry. What was your point again?

Windows is free, keyboard and mouse is like ~5$, controller is not required. We had this millions of times before. Average person can assemble PC.

Ask your friends what's my point, they are talking about AMAZING value of pro.

 

[Three]

In the end 95% of PC players are stuck to Windows and DX12/DX11/Vulcan so this chart is absolutely representative, "hidden power" doesn't matter until it can be utilized. Recently Zen CPUs got few % boost just from Windows update...

The charts are an indication of Nvidia's efficiency on drivers and games for DX only. They would not apply to PS5 Pro or even Vulkan based games on PC.

In console space that 7700XT would be more efficient for sure but SAME is true for 4070.

It wouldn't unless that console was a windows/DX based one. The Tech Power Up game performance summaries are based on games that are developed for an nvidia dominated market on DX12. The low amount of Vulkan games testing on windows wouldn't be a blip on those numbers. This still would not be applicable at all though on consoles and other APIs. AMD would likely lead considerably due to its more mature market on console development.

 

[Bojji]

The charts are an indication of Nvidia's efficiency on drivers and games for DX only. They would not apply to PS5 Pro or even Vulkan based games on PC.


It wouldn't unless that console was a windows/DX based one. The Tech Power Up game performance summaries are based on games that are developed for an nvidia dominated market on DX12. The low amount of Vulkan games testing on windows wouldn't be a blip on those numbers. This still would not be applicable at all though on consoles and other APIs. AMD would likely lead considerably due to its more mature market on console development.

AMD has more efficient (CPU) driver for DX12. Many games also perform better on AMD cards vs. equivalent Nvidia cards. Market is Nv dominated but game engines don't represent that.

 

[twilo99]

So "only" 35% more... Actually more like 40% when factoring in all the little things that PC advocates conveniently omit like OS and accessories.

Sure but you are getting something that is multifunctional which makes it a much better value proposition overall.

 

[DinoD]

Windows is free, keyboard and mouse is like ~5$, controller is not required. We had this millions of times before. Average person can assemble PC.

Ask your friends what's my point, they are talking about AMAZING value of pro.

Ok. Should I be the one to point that you are in PS5 Pro Spec thread , not PS5Pro value thread.

 

[Loxus]

Yes i was also wondering how will the new 2GB DDR5 interface with APU in traditional sense.

Looking back at ps4 to ps5, Mark Sony likes to have separate memory pool for certain OS functions but why not advertsed this? It makes the consoles specs sounds bigger!

Is there a breakdown of PS OS? How it do things differently, from say Windows, with such split memory at hardware level?

On PS4, PS4 Pro and PS5, the memory architecture is unified GDDR.

On PS4 Pro, the OS is still on the 8GB GDDR. The 1GB DDR is used to store not in use apps instead of storing it in the GDDR.

A better way to explain this, is the system reserved space on the GDDR for switching apps, but now that is done using the DDR on the secondary ARM processor on the PS4 Pro, thus freeing up space on the GDDR for games.

They probably did a similar approach with the PS5 Pro.

 

[Bojji]

Ok. Should I be the one to point that you are in PS5 Pro Spec thread , not PS5Pro value thread.

Specs show you what you pay for.

Also, from OP:

 

[RobRSG]

The iPhone 15's GPU has up to 1.79 TFLOPS.

Good luck carrying the Pro in your pocket.

 

[King Dazzar]

Specs show you what you pay for.

Also, from OP:

You're being disingenuous. Whilst its obvious you look for the slightest opportunity to descend into platform warring. I didnt read his post as an attack on PC building at all. He put it across as a comparison to the base PS5 (hence the $250) and then listed what you would be getting as an electronics bundle. Highlighting what you're getting for that extra outlay.

 

[Rudius]

Apple Mac Pro wheels have 0 TFLOPS.

Apple Mac Pro Wheels Kit

Put your Mac Pro on wheels with the Mac Pro Wheels Kit. The custom-designed stainless steel and rubber wheels make it easy to move your Mac Pro around, whether sliding it out from under your desk or across your studio.

www.apple.com

699

 

[PixelatedBeast]

Thats crazy how the Playstation has evolved from going up against Nintendo, Sega, and Xbox to PC. Overpriced Pc builds is next in this gif.

 

[Heisenberg007]

DGrayson Do you mind moderating this thread? It’s again devolving into a pointless PC vs PS5 Pro price war. Can’t we discuss the damn Pro’s specs in peace?

Also, I looked back the last few pages and 390W is taking into accounts the peaks. Apparently, the PS5 can peak at 350W, so 390W on the box is sensible. I was worried it was a power hog, but it’s probably just a tiny bit more than the base model.

It always ends up like this. Happens because there are certain folks who claim it's over-priced. Then folks come in and mention that it is indeed reasonably priced.

And then they start listing PC component prices, and then nobody is talking about the actual specs of the Pro - which the thread is all about.

 

[Bojji]

You're being disingenuous. Whilst its obvious you look for the slightest opportunity to descend into platform warring. I didnt read his post as an attack on PC building at all. He put it across as a comparison to the base PS5 (hence the $250) and then listed what you would be getting as an electronics bundle. Highlighting what you're getting for that extra outlay.

PS fans bringed value vs. PC into this thread. My first posts weren't about that at all.

It was about value of the console itself vs. "old" old console. Lack of games etc.

Right now Pro is the best for people that didn't own PS5, they have the best console versions of older (patched) games available. I completed most of those patched games long time ago (on PC or PS5), new stuff is interesting but Sony don't have much announced (other than Ghost).

 

[Heisenberg007]

PS fans bringed value vs. PC into this thread. My first posts weren't about that at all.

It was about value of the console itself vs. "old" old console. Lack of games etc.

Right now Pro is the best for people that didn't own PS5, they have the best console versions of older (patched) games available. I completed most of those patched games long time ago (on PC or PS5), new stuff is interesting but Sony don't have much announced (other than Ghost).

Do you want this thread to be derailed further by bringing up "lack of games" and "Sony doesn't have much announced other than Ghost"?

 

[Bojji]

Do you want this thread to be derailed further by bringing up "lack of games" and "Sony doesn't have much announced other than Ghost"?

It's not my fault that Sony blowed 400 000 000 dollars on hookers and cocaine Concord and not on SP games that their fans love so much.

 

[King Dazzar]

Right now Pro is the best for people that didn't own PS5, they have the best console versions of older (patched) games available. I completed most of those patched games long time ago (on PC or PS5), new stuff is interesting but Sony don't have much announced (other than Ghost).

For me I'm just grateful to have the choice. Its there if you want more power and prefer the console experience. They're pushing their luck with the price, especially in Europe. But I'm still really grateful it exists as an option. If folks want a PC, then that's great too. Choice is good.

 

[Boss Mog]

Like Sony servers would let you download at that speed...

LOL

I have no issues downloading at the full 1Gbps speed (125MB/s) from the Sony servers like 95% of the time.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Pffft. That's nothing. I shared the TF way back in 2022. Where you been?