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[KingV]

I didn't watch the convention coverage at all tonight, but I think that Kerry doesn't really need to be attacked at this point. He's been digging his own hole quite nicely over the last month.

On the topic of Giuliani, I'd love to see a McCain/Giuliani ticket in 2008. Hell, I wish I had seen it in 2004. McCain seems to be a stand up guy that isn't afraid to buck the party line on his pet issues, something I wish we'd see more of in politics in general, and the Republican party in specific.

 

[Minotauro]

drudgereport.com


WOW, even more impressive than yesterday, MSNBC has beat CNN. It's a shame MSNBC isn't more widely available, I know I can't get it here in my college town.

leading up to the convention, MSNBC's shows were just slightly moving ahead of CNN. Is MSNBC providing some good coverage or what? I wish I could see what's going on in that network.

Why do you keep posting these figures? By now, it's pretty much a foregone conclusion that FNC is going to trounce their competitors and CNN and MSNBC will futily fight for distant second and third. I mean, who really gives a shit?

 

[Willco]

Is there like some kind of audience cue that tells them what to do?

FLIP FLOP FOUR MORE YEARS WE ARE RETARDED

Man, this makes me ashamed to be a Republican. I also like how Cheney isn't presenting any reason for me to vote for Bush, but rather reasons why I shouldn't vote for Kerry. Get off the stage you old bastard.

 

[PS2 KID]

Why do you keep posting these figures? By now, it's pretty much a foregone conclusion that FNC is going to trounce their competitors and CNN and MSNBC will futily fight for distant second and third. I mean, who really gives a shit?

LOL. Sorry but that just reminded me of the current Videogaming landscape.

 

[Minotauro]

Man, this crowd and their cheers are hilarious. They're like wrestling fans! If only they would chant "She's a crack-whore" at Laura Bush, the whole thing would be complete.

 

[LinesInTheSand]

Yeah the convention crowd (at both the DNC and RNC) are a bunch of mindless cheering tools, it's very irritating.

 

[Minotauro]

LOL. Sorry but that just reminded me of the current Videogaming landscape.

Feel free to apply my statement to the 15-page sales thread that will roll around come February.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Woah Blitzer and greenfield owned Zell Miller pretty bad lol.

 

[Dilbert]

What a pair of motherfuckers. Two speeches totally unconstrained by truth.

I was listening to them as I was driving home from work, so I couldn't see the TV...is it true the people chanting in the crowd were wearing armbands?

 

[Willco]

What a pair of motherfuckers. Two speeches totally unconstrained by truth.

I was listening to them as I was driving home from work, so I couldn't see the TV...is it true the people chanting in the crowd were wearing armbands?

Yes, with swastikas!

 

[Baron Aloha]

Turn on MSNBC. Matthews has Zell Miller on there and its hilarious. Matthews was owning Miller left and right and Zell Miller turned around and challenged Matthews to a duel!!!

 

[AssMan]

Reporter: "What are the three branches of government?"
Protestor 1: "uhm.... uhm.....uhm..."
Protestor 2: "Why are you asking this stupid shit?"


Did this really happen? This reminds me of the time when MTV interviewed protestors at some MTV ralley awhile back which is the reason why I don't watch MTV anymore.

 

[PS2 KID]

Turn on MSNBC. Matthews has Zell Miller on there and its hilarious. Matthews was owning Miller left and right and Zell Miller turned around and challenged Matthews to a duel!!!

That was really Hilarious!! I just hope Matthews isn't around for when Zell Miller visits the set. (Matthews did invite him to After Hours with Scarborough). I would have to say that the MSNBC coverage has been pretty good. I tune into the Scarborough/Reagan After Hours where it's more relaxed and the open air atmosphere with the live audience makes it seem more like a late night show than a political show. Good stuff.

 

[Baron Aloha]

Seriously?

YES. He said something along the lines of "I wish we lived in a time where I could challenge you to a duel because I would."

 

[Baron Aloha]

What kind of duel...or did he just say I challenge you to a duel?

I want to see a video bad.

Like with guns. You know, two guys stand back-to-back. They both take 10 steps, turn around and fire.

 

[PS2 KID]

Seriously?

I think Miller said something along the lines of, "I wish we were back in the day where you could challenge someone to a duel." Something like that.

 

[KingGondo]

I didn't watch the convention, but I saw Michael Reagan's comments, "I haven't come here to politicize my father's name." :lol what an asshole!

Not only is he lying outright (speaking directly after a video tribute to a "great" Republican president), but also politically backhanding his own brother, who spoke earlier at the DNC.

Also, The Daily Show was brilliant again tonight--Colbert's Bush report was hilarious.

"I'm an optimist."
"I'm an optimist."
"We're gonna get attacked again."

 

[Drensch]

I thought he was whacked with the prepared speech. He was fucking insane in person.

 

[PS2 KID]

I always enjoy MSNBC when they have professional poller Frank Luntz on. Much of what he says is very enlightening.

 

[Slurpy]

I didn't watch the convention coverage at all tonight, but I think that Kerry doesn't really need to be attacked at this point. He's been digging his own hole quite nicely over the last month.

On the topic of Giuliani, I'd love to see a McCain/Giuliani ticket in 2008. Hell, I wish I had seen it in 2004. McCain seems to be a stand up guy that isn't afraid to buck the party line on his pet issues, something I wish we'd see more of in politics in general, and the Republican party in specific.

McCain's a fucking tool. He'll kiss ass to wohever is most convenient at any time. This administration has fucked with him so many times, yet he still has to degrade himself and suck their cock. What a pathetic display his speech was. I almost felt sorry for the man.

The only upside was the moore thing which spiced it up.

And how ironic that that this party has countlessly attacked the dmc for its pessimism, negativity, and Bush bashing. Their convention was infinitely tamer by comparison with the bashing. Every single speaker is having a field day with Kerry- too bad its recycled, rhetorical shit everyone has heard before. Its nausea inducing. When will we hear something substantial? I'm not holding my breath. I guess they don't need to.

 

[Killthee]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but was Cheney's lesbian daughter the only one missing when the family waved bye at the end of his speech?

 

[Alcibiades]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but was Cheney's lesbian daughter the only one missing when the family waved bye at the end of his speech?

yup, pretty weird, I wonder if it was her decision or a planned thing. my guess is she might not have felt comfortable, but I don't see why Cheney wouldn't encourage her.

 

[Outlaw Pro Mod]

When will we hear something substantial?

:lol :lol :lol

 

[Catchpenny]

Why do you keep posting these figures? By now, it's pretty much a foregone conclusion that FNC is going to trounce their competitors and CNN and MSNBC will futily fight for distant second and third. I mean, who really gives a shit?

For the same reason people keep posting PS2/Xbox/GCN numbers, I guess.

I'm beginning to think Zell Miller was a mole all along. His speech was awful and it's going to turn moderates and swing voters off. Between Zell and Cheney, tonight was Hate Night for the GOP, and it looks like they overstepped their bounds. Zell was repeatedly challenged and owned in the post-speech interviews, and the AP's current headline on the story is "Cheney, Miller unleash rage against Kerry". The Dems seem to be more active in providing rebuttals tonight, as well.

Tonight I saw a very good ad from the DNC presenting Bush's economic message as a broken record, and another one from moveon.org featuring a Republican that plans on voting for Kerry. Both very effective ads, a lot better than previous pro-Kerry ads I've seen. I'm feeling more optimistic and energized about the campaign than I have in the past couple of weeks.

 

[firex]

yup, pretty weird, I wonder if it was her decision or a planned thing. my guess is she might not have felt comfortable, but I don't see why Cheney wouldn't encourage her.

Talk about naive...

 

[PS2 KID]

ON MSNBC (earlier, and to repeated around 2 or 3am et or so), they had pollster Frank Luntz and a focus group of Iowa swing voters and amazingly they thought Miller's speech was stronger than Cheney's speech and they were more likely to vote for Bush because of it. Kind of surprising to me since Miller's speech was by far the more partisan one.

 

[Catchpenny]

I see shooting for Land of the Dead is underway.

 

[Slurpy]

:lol :lol :lol

Our definitions of substantial differ, I'm sure. I guess your standards are pretty rock bottom.


And did Kerry shoot Zell Millers dog? What seething hate...

'While young Americans are dying in the sands of Iraq and the mountains of Afghanistan, our nation is being torn apart and made weaker because of the Democrats' manic obsession to bring down our commander in chief'

Wow. Is this guy for real? The implication of this line is frightening. Its making our nation weaker? Its supposed to be a democracy, you ass.

 

[HAOHMARU]

Senator Zell Miller was awesome...very damaging to Kerry and very persuasive for people to vote for Bush.

The Vice Presidents was great too. Great exposure to what Kerry really was like in the Senate...as opposed to the 28 sec. Kerry spoke of it at DNC.

Depending on how well Bush does tomorrow, he could see a 58-42 point spread by the end of the week. After the debates I see that opening even more.

 

[Catchpenny]

Depending on how well Bush does tomorrow, he could see a 58-42 point spread by the end of the week. After the debates I see that opening even more.

:lol :lol :lol

Wanna place a bet on that? Bush will have a lead coming out of the convention, but it'll remain within the MoE of most if not all major polls.

 

[firex]

Senator Zen Miller was awesome...very damaging to Kerry and very persuasive for people to vote for Bush.

The Vice Presidents was great too. Great exposure to what Kerry really was like in the Senate...as opposed to the 28 sec. Kerry spoke of it at DNC.

Depending on how well Bush does tomorrow, he could see a 58-42 point spread by the end of the week. After the debates I see that opening even more.

Yes, because speeches that pander to hard-liners, repeat the same thing we've been hearing for months about the opposition, and give no insight as to what the candidate plans to do are really going to make moderates like myself want to vote for their candidate.

As a side note: The 2004 Republican platform spends roughly 45 out of 93 pages discussing how Bush has been an amazing war leader, and among other things, suggests that some of their key plans include constitutional amendments to ban abortion and gay marriages.

 

[HAOHMARU]

Wanna place a bet on that? Bush will have a lead coming out of the convention, but it'll remain within the MoE of most if not all major polls.

I think it is quite possible, but I ain't betting anything on it

 

[Alcibiades]

Conan was really funny just right now, first with the "lips on face" Arnold and then Max Weinberg addressing the Republican convention promoting "meaningless sex" and people clapping like wild.

 

[Incognito]

Senator Zen Miller was awesome...very damaging to Kerry and very persuasive for people to vote for Bush.

The Vice Presidents was great too. Great exposure to what Kerry really was like in the Senate...as opposed to the 28 sec. Kerry spoke of it at DNC.

Depending on how well Bush does tomorrow, he could see a 58-42 point spread by the end of the week. After the debates I see that opening even more.

How were Zell Miller and Dick Cheney "awesome"? They spat out nothing but fucking lies, over, and over, and over. For a second there, I thought I was tuned into FoxNews regular programming where they repeat talking points all day long. Such as Hannity earlier tonight going on about "THE 1ST AND 4TH MOST RATED LIBERAL SENTATORS....WORSE THAN TED KENNEDY!!! HAR HAR". Even though it's been debunked, but hey, America is stupid. We want our news in 10 second burts without the responsibility of researching things for ourselves.

I had two friends over tonight(Bush FANATICS) and EVEN they were chanting during the speeches. "Yep, FLIP FLOP, FLIP FLOP -- FOUR MORE YEARS!"

"How can he not support the troops?"

"All the purple hearts he recieved were from self-inflicted wounds. He has three of them because when you get three, you can go home."

"Those swift-boat ads are very persuasive."

"We killed those mothefuckers in Iraq -- we're winning this war, and Bush is the man!"

It's just... incredible. What makes me more upset than the speeches, though, is the fact that PEOPLE will eat this shit up and take it for fact. I know it, you know it, and so does everyone else.

As for the debates -- don't make me laugh. Kerry and Edwards will spit these assholes out in front of live TV. They're going to have to actually articulate their ideas on how health care will magically become better, and how the war on terror is better off under their leadership, and how public school funding will increase. Becuase, as proven tonight, they sure like to spit out that they're going to do these things, but they didn't spend more a second explaning how so. Instead, it was a bash Kerry extravaganza, and all the drones in attendanace and across the world ate it up.

Sickening.

 

[HAOHMARU]

It is in my opinion that they were awesome. As for the debates...bring it.

And just because you hate it..."4 More Years!"

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

I actually like Hillary Clinton, I really do, but she wouldn't win the primaries so she wouldn't get the nomination. The republicans would tear her to shreads. Republicans would sooner burn the White House to the ground before they would ever let Bill & Hill set up shop there again.

I don't see that this makes a big difference, though. I mean, the right hated Bill... but that didn't stop him from a second turn. The left hates W... but that's not stopping him from having better than half a chance at a second term.

...which is a funny interpretation of Amendment 22, since the language only refers to being ELECTED as President. It is silent with respect to running for another elected office -- even Vice-President.

He's said that since it says the rules for VP are the same as for President, then since he's ineligible to be President again he shouldn't be eligible to be VP as well. It's far from clearly stated, though.

My brother and I joked that he should run for Pres again on the understanding he'd resign after 2 years (thus hitting the current limit), presumably becoming VP at the time. The slogan would be "2 years of Clinton is better than 4 years of Bush."

My beef with Hillary is that she was too involved, not because she was a woman, but because he husband was elected, not her. I don't think the family of the President should be directly involved in policy making, like Hillary was in heading up the Health Care reform agenda. That includes, wives, daughters, brothers, husbands, sons and dogs. We elected the President for his leadership and vision, not that of his loved ones.

Should all advisers be ditched too?

Man, I absolutely fucking despise Zell Miller.

I dislike Miller's actual current stance... however, as a disliker of the two-party duopoly, I like how he's straddling the lines between parties rather than forcing himself into one box or the other.

Last I checked, France had no troops in Iraq, and in fact vehemently opposed the Iraq War. Perhaps the terrorists have a more far reaching agenda than liberating Muslim countries.

"The terrorists", though, is about as specific as "the Europeans". Or "the fans of country music." Not like they're all following the same agenda.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

Now see, when everyone was going "FLIP FLOP FLIP FLOP" I thought for sure they were praising Senator Miller.

 

[fart]

THE TERRORISTS HATE OUR FREEDOM

 

[Mandark]

Zell Miller saying lots of nice things about Kerry.

Really, shouldn't someone on his staff take this offline? It's embarrassing.

 

[Teddman]

Zell Miller saying lots of nice things about Kerry.

Really, shouldn't someone on his staff take this offline? It's embarrassing.

Oh my God, that is priceless. The man is a opportunistic clown.

 

[Chesapeake Silt]

He should challenge his website to a duel!

 

[Saturnman]

Zell sounded unbelievably angry in his speech, but he is simply nuts in interviews, like a confused old man. I kind of feel pity for him.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

That is some hot stuff.

John has worked to strengthen our military, reform public education, boost the economy and protect the environment.

-March 1, 2001

As a Senator, he voted to weaken our military.

-September 1, 2004
http://www.gopconvention.com/cgi-data/speeches/files/ie65ay1zuai2r6ttb19uj6s2y6q7930j.shtml

 

[Belfast]

Chris Matthews better whip out his deck of Yu-Gi-Oh! cards cause it sounds like the Republicans want a duel!

Edit: also, I like MSNBC's coverage a lot. In fact, for some weird reason, I've been watching it a lot more lately. Maybe I'm suffering from FNC fatigue and CNN *can* be just plain boring at times.

 

[Alcibiades]

"Edit: also, I like MSNBC's coverage a lot. In fact, for some weird reason, I've been watching it a lot more lately. Maybe I'm suffering from FNC fatigue and CNN *can* be just plain boring at times."

If it's not just you, that explains the numbers. I used to be a big MSNBC fan back like 6 years ago, before I even knew FOX News existed (didn't have it in our cable service yet). They'd show a heck of a lot of specials that were like min-documentaries.

That said, I think that other than a few shows on CNN (like Capital Gang maybe), I'd rather watch MSNBC, and in fact when I'm back home I do watch it pretty frequently.

Sometime, FOX News does get boring too, and in fact, during election years, sometimes I watch way more PBS and C-Span than any other network.

 

[teiresias]

I know next to nothing about Miller, but the only thing I've really heard him say (I haven't listened to his full speech, last night sounds like a bad negative ad blitz), is how his "family is more important than family." Seems he's bought into this fear mongering hook, line, and sinker, and it just makes him come across as some paranoid old man.

Basically, the message last night was, "Question the status quo and you're unamerican and a danger to our national security."

 

[AirBrian]

Even though you might not agree with Miller or all of the content (I know I sure didn't), that was a damn good speech as far as delivery. The masses will eat that up.

Although a bit cliche, this is some great speech-writing:

Never in the history of the world has any soldier sacrificed more for the freedom and liberty of total strangers than the American soldier. And, our soldiers don't just give freedom abroad, they preserve it for us here at home.

For it has been said so truthfully that it is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us the freedom of the press.

It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech. It is the soldier, not the agitator, who has given us the freedom to protest.

It is the soldier who salutes the flag, serves beneath the flag, whose coffin is draped by the flag who gives that protester the freedom to abuse that right and burn that flag.

 

[Bizarro Sun Yat-sen]

Not only that, but he doesn't even have a consistent policy in Iraq. Just recently he said that he would vote for the invasion of Iraq even if he had it to do over again, knowing what he did now. Where are his uniquely enlightened ideas? Why are YOU giving Kerry a free pass when he has said that he would vote to go into Iraq knowing what he does now, while continuously lambasting Bush for doing what Kerry has said he would support again, given the chance?

This is a lie. Kerry has said that he would still have voted to give the authority to take action on Iraq to Pres. Bush, as he did. This Congressional gesture helped us pressure Saddam into making concessions on inspections, etc., until Bush abused the authority he was given and acted rashly. There was no direct vote on an invasion of Iraq.

The Republican attacks on Kerry are 99% based on lies and misrepresentations.

 

[Slurpy]

I have a hypothetical questions to you people who are supporting Bush.

If, hypothetically, there is another attack on US soil before the elections- will that strengthen or weaken the Presidents case. The thing is, he wins both ways.

The whole campaign has been based around the fact that America is safer. Logically, a 2nd attack would imply this is not true. However, sadly, it would be used as more fuel for the campaign as to why Bush needs to be re-elected. There is no measuring stick to this success. The anything that would negate this succcess will only be used to bolster Bush.
Its a fucking stupid scenario. You can never 'dissprove' the effectiveness of the 'war on terror'. Every attack will make the case stronger.

 

[Minotauro]

Even though you might not agree with Miller or all of the content (I know I sure didn't), that was a damn good speech as far as delivery. The masses will eat that up.

Personally, I thought his delivery had something in common with what you would hear at a Klan rally.