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Official Smashing Pumpkins thread
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distantmantra
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Billboard said:
C'mon, Billboard, is it really that hard to do a quick fact check or even Wiki this?
Just heard the clip of Tarantula on the radio... not feeling it, even if it is only very little of the full song.
PotatoeMasher
Member
I can't find any version of 'I am One' with similar typesetting. Much less a version with Tristessa on it.
Walter Matthau
Member
PotatoeMasher said:
It's not a bad cover, but it is no way representative of the Smashing Pumpkins I know. This looks like something that belongs on the next Zwan album.
It's not totally out of left field. They used a somewhat similar style on the EP for "Thirty-Three" in 1996.
...Actually, that is a lot better.
It doesn't help that in the interview with the artist, he confirms your every fear about the histrionic approach and hyper-cliche metaphors that appear here. Bleagh.
...Actually, that is a lot better.
It doesn't help that in the interview with the artist, he confirms your every fear about the histrionic approach and hyper-cliche metaphors that appear here. Bleagh.
siamesedreamer
Banned
A gigantic "meh".....
What's so bad about the cover?
It's not the best cover (Pisces Iscariot, MCIS, and Machina have the best covers IMO), but it doesn't suck. Zeitgeist = "The Spirit of the Age", with a Statue of Liberty in what appears to be bloody waters. Simplistic and immature as some may make it out to be, I think it fits.
And I agree with Luna104. If you want the major lulz, look no further than the cover for TheFutureEmbrace.
It's not the best cover (Pisces Iscariot, MCIS, and Machina have the best covers IMO), but it doesn't suck. Zeitgeist = "The Spirit of the Age", with a Statue of Liberty in what appears to be bloody waters. Simplistic and immature as some may make it out to be, I think it fits.
****, that's awesome. You guys are picky. Most of you will be pirating the album anyway, so why do you even care about the artwork
And I agree with Luna104. If you want the major lulz, look no further than the cover for TheFutureEmbrace.
infiniteloop
Member
Dead said:
That cover is great!
So what the did you want to see instead? What, taking on a similar concept, would have been a better idea? ****ing hell, it's not that bad. I acknowledge that it's not the best, but it could have been a lot worse. At least it's not the SP flag with that lame stencil font. I was seriously thinking that was going to be the cover, and I'm so glad they picked something better.terrene said:
Nothing is good enough for some fans, it seems. And this just isn't directed at you; Hatephoria is in full swing now.
Love your kitty avatar.
The SP flag is a terrible cover. To be used throughout the booklet would be ok, but it's just not a good cover.
But yeah, I really don't see anything wrong with the selected artwork.
And, hell, even if you think it's bad... why should that stop you from enjoying the album? The Bends by Radiohead has perhaps one of the dumbest covers I've ever seen, but it's a timeless album.
Really, it's not that bad.
The SP flag is a terrible cover. To be used throughout the booklet would be ok, but it's just not a good cover.
But yeah, I really don't see anything wrong with the selected artwork.
And, hell, even if you think it's bad... why should that stop you from enjoying the album? The Bends by Radiohead has perhaps one of the dumbest covers I've ever seen, but it's a timeless album.
Really, it's not that bad.
I'm gonna go against the grain and say I don't mind the cover. The actual concept is corny and heavy handed, but the look of it is tossed off and even a little amateurish.
I expect SP covers to be glossy and pretentious, and this comes off like something you would pick up from the first opening band at the merch table, donations accepted. I dig the low-key approach.
I expect SP covers to be glossy and pretentious, and this comes off like something you would pick up from the first opening band at the merch table, donations accepted. I dig the low-key approach.
The Siamese Dream cover is two little girls in angel costumes, for crying out loud. You only like it because you're used to it; if you'd have never heard of the Pumpkins, or never saw the album cover, I guarantee people would dislike it just as much as they do the Zeitgiest artwork.
Oh, I have to design the album art now?Diablos said:
How about something just slightly more elusive and interperative that doesn't bypass the intellectual process completely, leaving you with "duh melting icecaps are bad, Bush is a fascist!" That would be cool.
And it sticks out like a sore thumb with the other artwork. Even talking pure aesthetics, it looks rudimentary, digital and unlayered.
siamesedreamer
Banned
I don't mind how it looks per say, just the connotations behind it are stupid.
"Shortsightednes of the US".......gimme a break.
"Shortsightednes of the US".......gimme a break.
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
:lol jesus christ people chill the **** out the album cover isn't that bad. whatever, i just wants me some new pumpkins music! lets go you ****ing 'mo's! play the damn song already
siamesedreamer
Banned
FrenchMovieTheme said:
Yeah, I agree......end of derailing.
Also, I think that there's not only nothing wrong with the theme of this album, but I'm glad Billy finally decided to get a bit political. That's a first for him.
I mean how many songs before this has he written that pertain to the US, current events, etc.? The final few lines of Geek USA? Mina Loy? Seriously, I think that's it.
And at least the theme of this album is easily understood. Does everyone remember the Machina Mystery? Oh man, what a disaster that was. I still don't even get the Machina Mystery beyond it saying things that people always wrongly assumed about the band just to see how they'd react. And I don't really care to.
This isn't derailing, I enjoy these discussions.
I mean how many songs before this has he written that pertain to the US, current events, etc.? The final few lines of Geek USA? Mina Loy? Seriously, I think that's it.
And at least the theme of this album is easily understood. Does everyone remember the Machina Mystery? Oh man, what a disaster that was. I still don't even get the Machina Mystery beyond it saying things that people always wrongly assumed about the band just to see how they'd react. And I don't really care to.
This isn't derailing, I enjoy these discussions.
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
why do you care about how billy feels about love, hate, etc? relax, i have a good feeling about the record!
siamesedreamer
Banned
Diablos said:
Why?
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
i like politics in music from time to time. rage is one of my favorite bands ever, system is an awesome band, nin had some politics on year zero, it's not bad fellas. lets wait until we hear the record.
i'm pretty stoked about the album but also all the b-sides!
i'm pretty stoked about the album but also all the b-sides!
siamesedreamer
Banned
Diablos said:
Billy's a smart guy.....but I'm not sure I want to be lectured on the politics du jour - especially when its such a complete departure from ~20 years of his song writing.
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
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guys, the new pumpkins record isn't going to be rage against the machine (politics wise). and i seriously doubt the lyrics will be in that style (i.e. "global warming is bad, don't say it's a fad, if you think george bush is cool then UR a fool!")
again i say we wait to hear the album before jumping to conclusions on how much politics is involved!
guys, the new pumpkins record isn't going to be rage against the machine (politics wise). and i seriously doubt the lyrics will be in that style (i.e. "global warming is bad, don't say it's a fad, if you think george bush is cool then UR a fool!")
again i say we wait to hear the album before jumping to conclusions on how much politics is involved!
I think it IS a good idea for him to take on a new approach after ~20 years of his traditional stuff. Not to say his previous work was bad, but he has nothing to lose by shifting some (read: some, not all) of his lyrics to something less personal and more political/environmental/etc.siamesedreamer said:
Mike Works
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Dead said:
WTFinfiniteloop said:
TheDrowningMan
Member
I don't mind the cover. If the album takes off it'll probably be reassessed and lauded as 'iconic' or something.
Infinitemadness
Member
Billy is an older guy now. He has said what he had to regarding his terrible childhood, his teenage angst. He even attempted (and failed) at a concept album. What is left for him to sing about other than the times?
As for the album cover, its the music that will make it memorable. If the album sucks, no one will remember it. If Led Zeppelin 1 sucked, no one would remember or even acknowledge how cool that cover was.
As for the album cover, its the music that will make it memorable. If the album sucks, no one will remember it. If Led Zeppelin 1 sucked, no one would remember or even acknowledge how cool that cover was.
Infinitemadness
Member
Diablos said:
Dear god I want to hear it already! Shit! At least Tarantula! Where is it?!
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
i don't know why people are already talking shit on tarantula. not only have we heard a 30 second clip of poor quality, but it actually sounds good anyways!