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Official Smashing Pumpkins thread
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FrenchMovieTheme
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Diablos said:
that's the most frustrating part. jimmy is an incredible drummer. billy is an incredible guitarist. now jimmy is wasting away where very few people hear him or know he's still around. billy is making music no one WANTS to hear. wasted potential
Billy's slowly getting into a good rhythm again, but his band sucks save Jeff Schroeder. Plus, his time to capitalize on a return has passed. He semi-blew it with Zeitgeist. Despite the tour being awesome, he failed to grab his audience with a poorly produced album (just like Machina)!
I'm just glad I could see BC/JC on stage in 2007. Was really cool.
I'm just glad I could see BC/JC on stage in 2007. Was really cool.
PumpkinPie
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Am I the only once that opens this thread with baited breath every time I see it has been bumped? I think to myself "oh god, what has Billy done now?"...
Funny story: I had Billy Corgan added on my Facebook a few weeks back, he posted requesting questions from fans. He said you could ask him anything but don't ask stupid questions (so basically contradiction there already)...well everyone starts posting questions, I asked him what happened to the famous EHX Big Muff pedal that was used to record Siamese Dream...he fucking deletes his FB account in a hissy fit.
He's my hero but I swear he's a total fucking diva, imagine what the Billy of old would think if he could see himself now...probably do a Cobain.
Funny story: I had Billy Corgan added on my Facebook a few weeks back, he posted requesting questions from fans. He said you could ask him anything but don't ask stupid questions (so basically contradiction there already)...well everyone starts posting questions, I asked him what happened to the famous EHX Big Muff pedal that was used to record Siamese Dream...he fucking deletes his FB account in a hissy fit.
He's my hero but I swear he's a total fucking diva, imagine what the Billy of old would think if he could see himself now...probably do a Cobain.
BigJonsson
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Oh memories
TheDrowningMan
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PumpkinPie said:
To be fair, he's always been a bit of a fruit loop. His behaviour is nothing which hadn't shown itself by 1995. There were just less avenues to flaunt that fact at the back end of the 'old media' age.
So, wait, your question triggered that?PumpkinPie said:
Orellio: Nope.
Also,
http://www.iol.co.za/news/tiny-corgan-has-a-big-will-to-survive-1.1022876
epic smh
He's not nearly as angsty as he used to be, but that has been exchanged for a incessant need to inject religion into nearly everything he writes now. He also denies global warming which honestly makes me cringe. I'm sure he's a creationist too.TheDrowningMan said:
distantmantra
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Diablos said:
You never saw the band in their prime, this is probably why your opinion differs. I saw them numerous times between 1993 and 2000 (SD club tour, Lollapalooza, MCIS theatre tour, MCIS arena tour, Machina tour, etc.) and seeing them in support of Zeitgeist in 2007 was a complete joke.
FrenchMovieTheme
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distantmantra said:
i saw them for MCIS, adore and machine and i think the zeitgeist shows were entertaining enough. nowhere near what the band originally was but a complete joke? come on. i'm as hard as anyone on corgan but that's just not true about the zeitgeist tour era
Songs like Gossamer and Superchrist with Jimmy on the stage are as good as ANYTHING they have done.distantmantra said:
Speaking of Jimmy, his new band (Skysaw) is legit!
http://www.facebook.com/skysawmusic
Great stuff! No more shaman I hope!
MP3 is available here: http://www.skysawmusic.com/
FrenchMovieTheme
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FrenchMovieTheme
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SquirrelNuckle said:
i cannot agree to that.... although both are great songs.
Maybe this song would be more listenable without that godawful synth stuff in the left speaker, sounds like some cheesy video game music someone wrote in five minutes. The echoing vocals/backing vocals don't help either. Of course that still wouldn't help the terrible songwriting, but it would make it better. I will say that Mike Byrne actually sounds great on it though.FrenchMovieTheme said:
Ichabod
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SquirrelNuckle said:
I'll drink to that but for me 1979 is a veeeeery close second. I know some will probably frown on me for picking one of their most mainstream and well-known songs but I literally never get tired of hearing it. So catchy and it will forever have the approval of my inner teenager.
"Ask yourself a question, anyone but me, I ain't free." Forgot about that one. But uh, it's impossible to narrow down the best SP song to one. Let alone ten, or fifty, or more. Haha. If I was FORCED however, I'd pick Geek USA. The guitar solo is sick and it has some of the best drumming I've ever heard in recorded music. It's like rock 'n roll fully realized.Ribbon said:
That chart is funny FMT, but at the very least Siamese and MCIS need to switch places.
Lightning Strikes is pretty bad. Started out decent, but it basically goes nowhere.
Manus
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Diablos said:"Ask yourself a question, anyone but me, I ain't free." Forgot about that one. But uh, it's impossible to narrow down the best SP song to one. Let alone ten, or fifty, or more. Haha. If I was FORCED however, I'd pick Geek USA.
That chart is pretty funny FMT, but at the very least Siamese and MCIS need to switch places.
Lightning Strikes is pretty bad. Started out decent, but it basically goes nowhere.
Yeah I really just love every track on Siamese Dream the only album that comes close to it's quality for me is Gish.
I'm not totally into SP like I used to be, but to this day I am in awe of how incredible of a drummer JC is. The sound he employs alone is so unique and impossible to emulate. He's a legend. If Led Zeppelin ever tours again they should pick him. That would never happen of course.Gouty said:
FrenchMovieTheme
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Diablos said:
jimmy would also have to get the OK from his shaman friend
Gouty
Bloodborne is shit
Lightening Strikes is up!
Those synths remind me of what Van Halen sounds like in my head. I have to guess because I've never listened to Van Halen. Shit song is shit.
Just noticed the MP3 dropped the volume 1, vol 2 bullshit. Its just labeled as Teargarden By Kaleidyscope. Billy has no idea what he's doing confirmed. The dream is unstable, its collapsing!
Those synths remind me of what Van Halen sounds like in my head. I have to guess because I've never listened to Van Halen. Shit song is shit.
Just noticed the MP3 dropped the volume 1, vol 2 bullshit. Its just labeled as Teargarden By Kaleidyscope. Billy has no idea what he's doing confirmed. The dream is unstable, its collapsing!
FrenchMovieTheme
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Gouty said:
We had talked about it before that. Another mediocre song.... And that is being generous
So, James Iha produced a track for the band Hunters called Deadbeat.
Read more about it here (mp3 link as well): http://www.imposemagazine.com/bytes/what-has-james-iha-been-up-to
It's quite a romp as the link also says. Loving it. I've played it a few times now.
Yeah, Teargarden is a disaster and Lightning Strikes sucks. I really hate seeing Billy pollute his otherwise legendary discography with this shit. He can't even figure out how to hire a half-decent drummer ffs.
Some, uh, news.
It was really cool of him to auction stuff off for Japan, though.
Read more about it here (mp3 link as well): http://www.imposemagazine.com/bytes/what-has-james-iha-been-up-to
It's quite a romp as the link also says. Loving it. I've played it a few times now.
Yeah, Teargarden is a disaster and Lightning Strikes sucks. I really hate seeing Billy pollute his otherwise legendary discography with this shit. He can't even figure out how to hire a half-decent drummer ffs.
Some, uh, news.
I'm sure it's nothing that exciting, but we'll see. Gish boxset? Metro show DVD? Jimmy returns? Doubt it.
It was really cool of him to auction stuff off for Japan, though.
FrenchMovieTheme
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Diablos said:
the only pumpkins news that would excite me is that billy corgan admits he's fucking sucked for the last few years and he's going to go back to his roots. short of that i expect nothing more than garbage like tear garden.
i have to wonder if billy corgan is just trolling everyone at this point. there is no way he can think the shit he is releasing is good or worthy of the pumpkins name.
Dai Kaiju
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Why the hell do legends lose their ability to make good music as they age? I understand decline in lyrical quality since they've already written about all their life experiences, but the melody going to shit is just weird. Limitless posibilities there and Billy can't seem to find any of them.
To be fair, it took Billy much longer to burn out than most others. I think part of the reason why he's so crazy is that he got labeled as this pretentious douche by indie hipsters who are often equally as pretentious, but not as accepting of mainstream music. Beyond Mellon Collie, Corgan never really got proper recognition when he most deserved it.Dai Kaiju said:
From the time he started SP until 2005 he really never fell off track. We're talking 15+ years of brilliance here. And, really, while Zeitgeist as an album sucked, the tour for the most part was pretty good, and he managed to come up with stuff like Superchrist, Gossamer, and As Rome Burns. He was still kicking ass up until a couple years ago. Everyone has their time, and maybe he'll come to his senses. Even if he doesn't, I'm amazed at how long he was able to consistently come up with superb material.
FrenchMovieTheme said:
firing that chump behind the drumset.
Curufinwe said:
Dude, I seriously agree. The Empty Sea is one of my very favorite Zwan tunes. I'm not sure a studio version would do it justice (Though it probably does exist somewhere), but I just treat that first Zwan show like it's own album anyway. Zwan had so much good material that only ever got played at like less than a half-dozen shows, it's a real shame.
Okay, it looks like Billy is actually up to something worth being excited about for once:
www.twitter.com/billy
www.twitter.com/billy
If we're getting vintage SP rare stuff, I'm all in.
PotatoeMasher
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Diablos said:
Ok, this type of stuff I can get behind.
Heh, Jimmy Chamberlin really opens up about his thoughts on SP. I don't think you will ever see him in the band again.
http://www.spin.com/articles/listen-ex-pumpkin-jimmy-chamberlins-new-band
What he seems to fail to realize is that he's not just a drummer from SP, he was SP. Totally in the band's DNA. You can do the band without James or Darcy, but if Jimmy leaves it starts to fall apart (Adore being the exception because Corgan was going into uncharted territory at the time and was making music that didn't necessarily need a drummer). Jimmy should stop acting like he's some victim to Billy's ego and boldly state that there's no way the band would have been able to reach the level of greatness that they once had without him. Taking songwriting out of the picture, Chamberlin is and will always be the most talented musician that ever had anything to do with the band. He was such a phenomenal drummer that it didn't even matter if Darcy couldn't play bass on stage. He was basically the entire rhythm section.
Corgan might make some good decisions in the future but I wish he would just end SP now. I don't think he's ever going to get rid of Mike Bryne who is a complete disgrace to the band. Have you seen some of the videos of him floating around? He's awful. I don't even want to waste my time trying to find them, they are painful to watch. I feel bad for the kid, he's really young and impressionable and thinking that he's doing so much for the direction of the band but he's utterly worthless as a musician. Just call it quits already, Billy.
http://www.spin.com/articles/listen-ex-pumpkin-jimmy-chamberlins-new-band
All of this is really surprising coming from Jimmy, because he and Corgan always appeared to have a really deep appreciation for each other. Sounds like they had a serious falling out in 2009. The two of them were always... well I wouldn't say in lockstep, but agreed more than disagreed on things. Certainly they had great sense of communication and what works/doesn't work as musicians. Now we have Chamberlin saying Corgan was too prolific to keep up with and blah blah, and are only friends "from a distance". I'm pretty sure Jimmy's thoughts weren't always like that. Amazing how much has changed. But what he's saying definitely implies that he is done with SP for good. It's great that he wants to branch out and be himself but, I've gotta say... he's getting way ahead of himself if he thinks he'll be remembered for anything else before being the insanely talented drummer that played a critical role in defining the Smashing Pumpkins' sound. He'll never get any better than that.
What he seems to fail to realize is that he's not just a drummer from SP, he was SP. Totally in the band's DNA. You can do the band without James or Darcy, but if Jimmy leaves it starts to fall apart (Adore being the exception because Corgan was going into uncharted territory at the time and was making music that didn't necessarily need a drummer). Jimmy should stop acting like he's some victim to Billy's ego and boldly state that there's no way the band would have been able to reach the level of greatness that they once had without him. Taking songwriting out of the picture, Chamberlin is and will always be the most talented musician that ever had anything to do with the band. He was such a phenomenal drummer that it didn't even matter if Darcy couldn't play bass on stage. He was basically the entire rhythm section.
Corgan might make some good decisions in the future but I wish he would just end SP now. I don't think he's ever going to get rid of Mike Bryne who is a complete disgrace to the band. Have you seen some of the videos of him floating around? He's awful. I don't even want to waste my time trying to find them, they are painful to watch. I feel bad for the kid, he's really young and impressionable and thinking that he's doing so much for the direction of the band but he's utterly worthless as a musician. Just call it quits already, Billy.
Lots of news... http://links.visibli.com/share/009b22
Billy also goes over everything in a video on the band's wall, and he's pretty cool (for once) about everything; it's worth watching: http://www.facebook.com/smashingpumpkins?sk=wall
Sounds like EMI really lightened up. Billy showed briefly a picture of old demo/live tapes. We're going to get a LOT of previously unheard material, and this makes me really excited about the band for once.
He also expressed interest in completely remixing Machina 1 and 2, which is pretty funny. Although I think the Machina 2 mix is legit.
Speaking of which, Gish and Siamese Dream sound fine as is. They really don't need remastering. MCIS on the other hand is in dire need. But I hope they don't tinker too much with the Gish/SD mix, those albums still hold up perfectly fine today. It's remarkable.
Don't really care much for Oceania, but at least there's enough coming from the old days to keep us interested.
Billy also goes over everything in a video on the band's wall, and he's pretty cool (for once) about everything; it's worth watching: http://www.facebook.com/smashingpumpkins?sk=wall
Sounds like EMI really lightened up. Billy showed briefly a picture of old demo/live tapes. We're going to get a LOT of previously unheard material, and this makes me really excited about the band for once.
He also expressed interest in completely remixing Machina 1 and 2, which is pretty funny. Although I think the Machina 2 mix is legit.
Speaking of which, Gish and Siamese Dream sound fine as is. They really don't need remastering. MCIS on the other hand is in dire need. But I hope they don't tinker too much with the Gish/SD mix, those albums still hold up perfectly fine today. It's remarkable.
Don't really care much for Oceania, but at least there's enough coming from the old days to keep us interested.
distantmantra
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Hard to believe that Gish is nearly 20 years old.
Gouty
Bloodborne is shit
An album within an album?
Billy is an idiot. He's just making this entire project up as he goes along and will look back at various parts and claim it was exactly as he intended from the start.
He's releasing a 10 song album because he's discovered its impossible to sustain public interest in a 44 song project, released one song at a time over the course of several years. He has also learned its impossible to generate any money from this project because A: hes not selling records and B: you can't tour behind some vague, unfinished super album.
To continue to create music for this project is literally throwing songs down a hole, pissing away his trade currency. But his ego wont let him abandon the project and admit it was a terrible idea so instead, all future music will probably be released in a more traditional format, but he'll claim is still a part of the project to fulfill the 44 song criteria.
Billy is an idiot. He's just making this entire project up as he goes along and will look back at various parts and claim it was exactly as he intended from the start.
He's releasing a 10 song album because he's discovered its impossible to sustain public interest in a 44 song project, released one song at a time over the course of several years. He has also learned its impossible to generate any money from this project because A: hes not selling records and B: you can't tour behind some vague, unfinished super album.
To continue to create music for this project is literally throwing songs down a hole, pissing away his trade currency. But his ego wont let him abandon the project and admit it was a terrible idea so instead, all future music will probably be released in a more traditional format, but he'll claim is still a part of the project to fulfill the 44 song criteria.
FrenchMovieTheme
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Gouty said:
you summarized the post-2000 pumpkins perfectly.
and yeah, kaliedscope or whatever the fuck its called has been a major disappointment. 1 legitimately good song (song for a son) and the rest ranges from average to complete dog shit.
this is why you need an actual band billy, not you controlling a bunch of lap dog touring artists.
A lengthy interview with more details (and BC fluff):
The good:
Some spin and a dig at...everyone?
More at the link.
The good:
BC said:
Some spin and a dig at...everyone?
BC said:
More at the link.
FrenchMovieTheme
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Orellio said:
-_-
CATCH UP WITH JESUS!Orellio said:
hahahahaaaaaaaaaa
Heyyyy Jesus, where u been girl?! LOLZ!
WHY DOES HE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT JESUS ALL THE TIME WTF
Just listened, and this song is awful. Not even going to download. Worst Teargarden track since Widow Wake My Mind. CRAP.
Yeah well, the EMI thing certainly sounds very promising.Macam said:
Maybe some people should have gone to rehab, but at the same time, it's pretty shitty of Corgan to act like he had nothing to do with it. He chose to make a total departure album (Adore) instead of taking a break and figuring out where to take their then-epic level of popularity. I respect his decision because it made their discog all the more diverse in the long run, but again, it's pretty shitty of him for pointing the finger at everyone else. Ranks up there with the "James Iha broke up the Pumpkins" comment which is also total bs.
Anyway, I think I posted this before but I'm gonna post it again. James Iha produced this track, it's called "Deadbeat" by Hunters, it's a total romp and I love it.
http://rcrdlbl.com/2011/02/09/download_hunters_deadbeat
Kicks the everlovin' shit out of this Otawa nonsense. +1 James! Maybe he should start producing Teargarden tracks.
FrenchMovieTheme
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definitely like that hunters track. god bless you james, the only sane member of the pumpkins
Came across this while taking a break from getting all my music uploaded properly to Amazon Cloud Drive.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2521246368208607#
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2521246368208607#
Bumblebeetuna
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Curufinwe said:
Sweet find. Love the Machina stuff.