PotatoeMasher
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Totally agree. It's like we're all sharing a brain here.
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Totally agree. It's like we're all sharing a brain here.
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
Comment on the remastered sound you assholes! I already know the record is great in general
kitchenmotors
Banned
So the dipshits at Amazon decided it was a good idea to ship out my box set without a box. Just a shipping label taped to the front of it. The box it dinged up and torn in places. Not really happy, but they're sending me a replacement that should come on Friday which should come in a box.
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wow, what the heck?!
PotatoeMasher
Member
The extras are worth it. Jimmy's drumming is WAY more prominent on the version of Tonight, Tonight without the strings and it totally changes the song.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
This remaster does an amazing job linking SD and MC. I used to love Dream so much more because the sound was so much richer and really felt like the production flattened out Mellon Collie.
NO LONGER.
One big happy family. If the Adore remasters take some of the synthy edges off of that album (doubtful I know), it could really transform how I look at the continuity of the band's music.
NO LONGER.
One big happy family. If the Adore remasters take some of the synthy edges off of that album (doubtful I know), it could really transform how I look at the continuity of the band's music.
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
I heard there is some audio clicking sounds and they fucked up zero. Comments?
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
I remember some weird shit on one of the demos, but I don't remember anything "on record". Also, I dunno, I liked all the remasters but I haven't listened to the OG in ages. But I remember MC always sounding "flatter'n hammered shit", as Ellsworth might describe it. So I'm sure they didn't "fuck up" Zero.
How could they?
They fucked up the PI release, there is digital distortion on one or two of the tracks. IE, the actual album, not one of bonus tracks. Never got mentioned or promised to be fixed. With that in mind, I would not be surprised if there were production errors on the MCIS reissue.
Machina will be the real revelation since it will be remixed, remastered AND resequenced.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
Somehow I didn't notice that.
PotatoeMasher
Member
I'd be happy if they went a step further and pretended that era never existed.
(I went to iTunes to listen to a few Machina songs just now as I felt guilty and was rethinking this comment and realized I somehow haven't had Machina in my library for at least 1 1/2 years and hadn't noticed)
You guys should track down the Machina pre-masters if you haven't already. Makes the album actually listenable!
I'll check out the bonus tracks of all the releases of course but the Machina 2 is the only remaster I'm still interested in.
And after that the Zwan vaults will be opened (hopefully) :}
I'll check out the bonus tracks of all the releases of course but the Machina 2 is the only remaster I'm still interested in.
And after that the Zwan vaults will be opened (hopefully) :}
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
TAFH remastered!
PotatoeMasher
Member
Are there plans to release Zwan stuff? I'd love to hear any of the unreleased stuff they did as I think I prefer Zwan over all of the Pumpkins stuff post-Adore.
BC said the ZWAN rights revert to him in 2014 or something. He definitely has seemed more open about possibly releasing that stuff.
Unreleased zwan material is so fucking good.
CountAntonius
Member
Same here though Machina had a few gems.
Gouty
Bloodborne is shit
Hell I think I prefer Zwan to most anything Pumpkins, with the possible exception of Siamese Dream.
Jimmy's drumming on Jesus I is like having your face melt, then the flesh is sent to the future where you eventually reunite with your melted face some 30 years later and are reborn a beautiful woman.
I want those Zwan extras bad.
Jimmy's drumming on Jesus I is like having your face melt, then the flesh is sent to the future where you eventually reunite with your melted face some 30 years later and are reborn a beautiful woman.
I want those Zwan extras bad.
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
i think i'll buy the MCIS 5 disc set from amazon digital. it's only $37 but i hope they dont give me the old non-remastered tracks from their other version of MCIS (1995) they have on their site :/
Fleet_of_Foot
Member
I just did the same, it's downloading now. It was hard to decide between the basic album or the 5-disc version. In the end I chose the 5-disc version.
I'm a fan from way back, I used to be way into the newsgroup(!) for SP. At one point I knew every demo and outtake they recorded. Over time my interest in them certainly has faded and I've forgotten most of what I used to know. It's weird to see the titles to some of these songs, remembering how revered (and mysterious) some of this stuff used to be. I distinctly remember listening to the full version of Pastichio Medley and one snippet, "Knuckles," always stood out to me. To coincidentally have the full version of "Knuckles" here is just kind of amazing.
I'm just now getting started on the first disc as the rest of it downloads. I've got good headphones, sitting here with a really stupid grin on my face. It's like I'm 15 again.
Fleet_of_Foot
Member
They didn't. Oh god they didn't. These are definitely new tracks and they are freaking incredible.
PotatoeMasher
Member
How much is out there? Wasn't there a bundled Zwan DVD that had some of the info on Djali Zwan and maybe some performances? I should probably scour my CD pouches to find that.
Sorry, I haven't been active in the SP trading communities since before Machina, so not even sure where to find the stuff now.
Fun story: I first used my GAF username on Netphoria/Siva around the time the Mashed Potatoes boxset was a big topic. Even though this is the only place I still use it, my biggest regret was misspelling potato as a sort of meta Dan Quayle joke.
edit: Reading Wikipedia on Zwan now. Seeing this nugget seems funny given how Billy has been talking about James lately:
May 23, 2005:
And an interview from June 2012 at http://grungereport.net/?p=12430
PotatoeMasher
Member
Not sure if this has been posted yet, but this drum clinic that Jimmy did is very much worth watching:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoG0P0C3geQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoG0P0C3geQ
PotatoeMasher
Member
Yeah. There's a little more context there that indicates that he was driving a lot of D'arcy's actions too. Without knowing the full story it's hard to say who's actually in the wrong. It seems like James doesn't really day much bad about Billy in public.
Interesting. After a quick search, that same site ran an article yesterday and has a translation from a French interview with James that asked about the quote above:
Maybe James is a dick, but he at least knows how to handle himself in the media.
Fleet_of_Foot
Member
So how interested would you guys be in a original-Pumpkins reunion at this point? As the years pass, it's hard to imagine. Can D'arcy even play an instrument anymore?
I'm kind of in the "This modern day band is NOT the Smashing Pumpkins," but as time passes, the possibility or even thought of them reuniting seems very unlikely.
I'd pay big money to see it, though.
I'm kind of in the "This modern day band is NOT the Smashing Pumpkins," but as time passes, the possibility or even thought of them reuniting seems very unlikely.
I'd pay big money to see it, though.
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
kind of sad that this legendary drummer with all the talent in the world is drumming to the background track instead of playing live shows with the band he belongs in. such a shame and a waste
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
just like guns n roses and a lot of other bands it's just not going to happen. you can say "well there is a 1% chance", and there's always a 1% chance (hey van halen kinda sorta got back together!), but given how things are i just can't envision a scenario where it would happen. i GUESS i could see billy/james/jimmy back..... but darcy is so fucked up i just don't see her getting herself clean and back into playing shape. who knows though, crazier things have happened!
Fleet_of_Foot
Member
I imagine only one thing could make it happen and that's money. And it would have to be Billy who's hurting for it. But as time passes, the people who even remember the four of them together fade away, and the money it could bring them diminishes.
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
i'm sure billy is making bank off touring as he probably pays the other members jack shit. james has various gigs and income streams, including perfect circle and pumpkins royalties. jimmy would probably be down for it. not sure if darcy would even be in for it even if the money was right. she's not of sane mind
PotatoeMasher
Member
I kind of get the feeling that Jimmy is disinterested in the lifestyle of touring, especially when it's mostly still being fueled by the steam of the original Pumpkins lineup.
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
i bought the amazon mp3's and they sound really good! i'm not too sensitive on how music is recorded but i can hear the difference here. also loving the bonus tracks. holy smokes the XYU outtake is great
fucking billy keeps taking taking my money like the vampire he is
fucking billy keeps taking taking my money like the vampire he is
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
holy smokes the mellon collie nighttime version is so awesome. i remember years and years ago saying "i wish they turned the end of thru the eyes of ruby into a longer song!" and it turns out they already had.
towers of rabble is just an awesome song. i had heard it previously but never had a good recording until now. i give this set an A. lots of great material here. it would be an A+ but there is some missing stuff. i have some other stuff like Ugly (electric version). also, is it just me or do some of the pistachio medley full versions sound different than what we heard on pistachio medley?
towers of rabble is just an awesome song. i had heard it previously but never had a good recording until now. i give this set an A. lots of great material here. it would be an A+ but there is some missing stuff. i have some other stuff like Ugly (electric version). also, is it just me or do some of the pistachio medley full versions sound different than what we heard on pistachio medley?
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
I heard there were issues with the vinyls but I haven't noticed any issues from the digital download. What was wrong with Pisces besides plume?
One of the songs has a short muting digital artifact, can't remember which one. EDIT: It's the end of Why Am I So Tired. I don't believe it's present in the previous version. There's also some other weird things. Never Let Me Down Again sounds as though it had a "dithering" option applied to the mix with software and it's yucky. Some other little things I'm forgetting about too.
I hadn't heard that. There are so many Zwan songs I would love to hear proper versions of.
I got the deluxe MCIS re-release for Christmas. Now I just need to listen to all the songs on the bonus CDs.
I have been rocking the 5CD digital release for a solid month now, and it's fucking legit. The album mix is now on par with Siamese Dream. No one should have any reason to listen to the old MCIS, throw your CD's away, lol. Not quite as good on a sheer technical level I suppose (because let's face it, SD is about as close as you can get to studio mastery with the guitar as far as I'm concerned), but it doesn't have that unnecessary muddy dullness factor that really dragged down the original mix at times. It really kicks now, and is so clean, but you can tell lots of special attention was paid to it. Also gone are weird artifacts like the digital noise embedded into the piano intro of Thru the Eyes of Ruby, some of you might know what I'm talking about.
The extra 3CD's of stuff are all really nice. I can't seem to pull myself away from this release, and it's been a long, long time since I've been able to say that about anything SP related. I of course have enjoyed the other reissues but also listened to a good amount of other music and didn't listen to them for as long.
In other news, NEVER FORGET: JIMMY CHAMBERLIN.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=aoG0P0C3geQ
No full length version officially recorded... but something may happen in the future. Let's hope so. Geek USA as played by Jimmy is on the same level as John Bonham, I don't care what anyone says. He is a genius for coming up with it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=XnHczU3fC_w#t=173s
What a beast.
The extra 3CD's of stuff are all really nice. I can't seem to pull myself away from this release, and it's been a long, long time since I've been able to say that about anything SP related. I of course have enjoyed the other reissues but also listened to a good amount of other music and didn't listen to them for as long.
In other news, NEVER FORGET: JIMMY CHAMBERLIN.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=aoG0P0C3geQ
No full length version officially recorded... but something may happen in the future. Let's hope so. Geek USA as played by Jimmy is on the same level as John Bonham, I don't care what anyone says. He is a genius for coming up with it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=XnHczU3fC_w#t=173s
What a beast.
Jedeye Sniv
Banned
Your SP history is much like my own, they used to rule my brain when I was a kid. I've only just heard about this re-issue, I can't wait to hear it! Actually might have to listen to the old version now, so I can compare and contrast.
How is the new Pumpkins stuff anyway? I usually pretend it doesn't exist.
Not even saying this as a bitter old fan: When Jimmy left everything went downhill. I was extra hard on Oceania at first, Corgan still has "it" at times but everything has just been lacking since 2009 or so. Zeitgeist as an album may have failed to deliver, but the live show was totally legit, honestly held its own even up against vintage Pumpkins.
Jedeye Sniv
Banned
I forgot how good the Aeroplane Flies High stuff is. Best b-sides ever. Some of Billy's best stuff in here straight up. When I was at college me and my friend were obsessed by Pennies, I have no idea why.
PotatoeMasher
Member
Corgan (and the band) has had "it" at times, but something has been lacking ever since the original lineup started to fall apart. Adore was great for me (right time, right place), but everything after that has seemed mostly off within the Pumpkins brand.
If I had to guess what it is that changed it's the fluffy floaty synth stuff that seems to invade every album since Machina. My guess is you could hand the mix of any of the modern Pumpkins album to any of us and we'd be able to improve it.
The studio is where Billy's songs go to die now. That hurts when you hear how much the Mellon Collie tracks improved during the recording process.
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
http://www.crestfallen.com/2013/03/22/smashing-pumpkins-reissue-update/
yes please!
p.s.
are b-sides of a b-sides box set considered c-sides?
Deified Data
Banned
Is a Machina reissue necessary? Doesn't strike me as an album that would benefit much.
PotatoeMasher
Member
Maybe replace half of the songs or record them with less synth confusion. I'd rather just skip it and release all of the Zwan stuff.
Edit: Weird to scroll up and see myself repeating the Machina synth rant. I've been listening to a lot of Pumpkins/Zwan again and it's fresh in my mind.
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
I'm in for machina/adore too. Maybe we will get virex!