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Official TEKKEN 6 "Who needs a FADC? We got RAGE!" Thread
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Relix said:
Sorry I come from the era where games (fighting in particular) didnt have these extra lag filled (minus BB of course) modes. To me, online is a near useless bullet point on the back of the box only for the purpose of meeting the "next gen" feature list of the casual video game consumer.
So then you agree that he should cancel his preorder, and not play the game at all, vs. playing what he can and see how online improves. This to me, makes no sense at all.
and online = integral to a fighting game? news to me dude. I think most fighting game players would say that online is a joke as lag ruins any feel or training you develop over time. EDIT: Not talking about GGPO of course
Not shitting up the thread with a new post anymore
"Online is fighters should and will be as required as online is in FPS."
Bioshock among others, but I get your point. However as you mentioned, since its only really been well implemented in one title (BB), I expect it to be crap and will be surprised if it isnt. Saves me the nerd rage.
LowParry
Member
karasu said:
Well. You gotta look at it from two different views. One is you got people (like myself) who don't have a local scene to play against with others. That's where online becomes a component. Then you have others who have a local scene where they get to play with others on a weekly basis. Arcades are dead in most of the US so not everyone has that luxury.
scotcheggz
Member
Relix said:
I disagree, but then I think that is largely due to my gaming history. I've never had chance to play games with friends as all my friends hate them. Online is deffinitely a bonus as CPU is nothing like fighting real people, but to be honest online play is a bit of a downer for me. Everyone is so angry and competitive. Just look at SFIV history, rage quitters, lame messages. Everyone is the greatest fighter known to man until they lose, then all of a sudden I'm getting hate mail for winning a match here and there.
In conclusion, I'll be having a ball offline anyways, and clocking in some serious hours there. If online is OK and I find some chill people to fight with then that would be nice too. I don't understand people who say online or bust, but then, they probably don't understand me
PepsimanVsJoe
Member
He should at least pick it up at launch so that he can put together some awesome custom-outfits to show off if/when the online play gets better.
Otherwise I dunno. Sure one could memorize their breads, butters, and other assorted spreads but none of that will matter if once they get online they can't so much as put 2 & 2 together.
Otherwise people can't help it if online is typically the only viable way they'll find competition. If you live out in nowhereville with the job where you work all day everyday and your friends would rather play Call of Duty what else can you do?
Who says anyone has to buy the game now anyway? By this time next week at least one person will be selling their copy for $5 to $15 less than retail in the buy/sell/trade thread no matter how good or bad the online gets.
Maybe some higher-up will get the bright idea to get their stuff right before releasing a game. Then again this is Namco we're talking about here so I'm not sure if they'll learn much of anything from the debacle. They've got their eyes set on DLC anyway I bet.
edit: Fuck posting from the Wii. I used "Otherwise" twice and didn't catch it.
Otherwise I dunno. Sure one could memorize their breads, butters, and other assorted spreads but none of that will matter if once they get online they can't so much as put 2 & 2 together.
Otherwise people can't help it if online is typically the only viable way they'll find competition. If you live out in nowhereville with the job where you work all day everyday and your friends would rather play Call of Duty what else can you do?
Who says anyone has to buy the game now anyway? By this time next week at least one person will be selling their copy for $5 to $15 less than retail in the buy/sell/trade thread no matter how good or bad the online gets.
Maybe some higher-up will get the bright idea to get their stuff right before releasing a game. Then again this is Namco we're talking about here so I'm not sure if they'll learn much of anything from the debacle. They've got their eyes set on DLC anyway I bet.
edit: Fuck posting from the Wii. I used "Otherwise" twice and didn't catch it.
IcebergSlim3000
Member
d0c_zaius said:Sorry I come from the era where games (fighting in particular) didnt have these extra lag filled (minus BB of course) modes. To me, online is a near useless bullet point on the back of the box only for the purpose of meeting the "next gen" feature list of the casual video game consumer.
So then you agree that he should cancel his preorder, and not play the game at all, vs. playing what he can and see how online improves. This to me, makes no sense at all.
and online = integral to a fighting game? news to me dude. I think most fighting game players would say that online is a joke as lag ruins any feel or training you develop over time. EDIT: Not talking about GGPO of course
I pay for High speed internet and Xbox live, not to mention the 60 bucks for the price of admission so you goddamned right I want this shit to work the way its supposed to.
LeMaximilian
Alligator F*ck House
To me...there's a really important thing to online play that most forget with fighting game, matchups. Especially for rosters with huge amounts of characters, like T6, you could have no f'in clue how to fight against Gun-Jack and plan to take the game seriously. The great thing about working online fighters, is that you will eventually run into someone playing that wack ass random character you have no idea about. Invite him/her to your friendslist, and voilla! You're no longer a Gun-Jack dunce. Granted, you could just spend your time learning the whole roster...but that's such a daunting commitment in fighting games with 20 characters, much less 40.
MarkMan
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d0c_zaius said:and online = integral to a fighting game? news to me dude. I think most fighting game players would say that online is a joke as lag ruins any feel or training you develop over time. EDIT: Not talking about GGPO of course
Online is a joke because the implementation has been a joke. Online for fighting games is now a requirement. Like it or not, come from whatever era you come from or not. It doesn't matter if you live in Japan (in which case, you wouldn't buy this anyway) or live in SoCal or something with an arcade community (a minority of customers).
Online is fighters should and will be as required as online is in FPS.
I'm digging this game but I have a couple gripes such as why I can't rank past 1st Dan without playing online, I rarely play online and I don't see why they couldn't keep this in for at least the Ghost battles. Anyone think this will be changed? And someone mentioned there is a glitch/problem with practice mode? Any truth to this?
Also, am I the only one who likes Scenario Campaign? I love beat em ups and this is silly fun.
Also, am I the only one who likes Scenario Campaign? I love beat em ups and this is silly fun.
LeMaximilian
Alligator F*ck House
Finally was able to get my hands on online mode. It's Soul Calibur IV, straight up.
edit: played a few more matches. It's still trash. I wonder how many online fighters it'll take Namco to reach the point Capcom did with original Xbox Street Fighters, much less current generation games like VF, SF4 and BB. Upset as all hell, was really looking forward to T6.
edit: played a few more matches. It's still trash. I wonder how many online fighters it'll take Namco to reach the point Capcom did with original Xbox Street Fighters, much less current generation games like VF, SF4 and BB. Upset as all hell, was really looking forward to T6.
Kintaro said:
I came here to post this. Thank you. If some of these guys made these games the companies would be broke. Like it or not, the bullet point ONLINE PLAY on a Fighting game sells. A lot. Much more so than single player. Really, if it weren't for that I wouldn't buy them... you see, I play these games for fun, and definitively to put up some competition, but most of that is reserved for tournaments. I just wanna chill out and have fun. That's all. If netcode problems cause bullshit I won't be having that much fun. See?
scotcheggz
Member
Mr Spliff said:
Is this true??
You mean ranks don't go up past 1st Dan, unless you win online?scotcheggz said:Is this true??
That's what it says in the manual. I have gotten one character to 1st Dan but haven't played arcade since, trying to unlock stuff in scenario, really don't want to face the disappointment. Pretty lame if you ask me, stuff like that keeps people like me who don't play online to keep playing.
EDIT: I also played a bunch of ghost battles but no 'promotion' fights appeared even when I could fight much higher ranked opponents.
ShinobiFist
Banned
The online keeps getting worse on both services. I can't even have decent matches with people in my own city anymore.
TheCardPlayer
Likes to have "friends" around to "play cards" with
Prototype-03
Member
Just played some matches with TimeKillr. Lag still bites...
boutrosinit
Street Fighter IV World Champion
KAL2006 said:
SHIT.
Worse than SC4 and SF4.
AVOID if you want online play.
Prototype-03 said:
I don't know exactly how it was on your end, but what I noticed at some point is that while there's constant input lag, there were zero fluctuations in framerate or lag.
Which tells me the system they used is this:
They calculate an appropriate input lag for both players, set it at that, and makes sure the game runs within these parameters.
It means playing against someone, you should always have the exact same input lag. It sort of showed when we played - at first we kept messing up the timing to our combos, but by the end you were consistently landing combos with Xiaoyu.
I had to adjust too - typically I do a longer and more damaging combo with Asuka off her db+4, but with input lag I couldn't get the 3rd part of my combo running, so I dropped down a bit and used a different 3rd part with a crumple off the juggle to finish my combo.
So, in conclusion, from my opinion:
Lag is weird, as it's not the kind of lag we're used to see in most fighters. It introduces a very noticeable input lag, but everything else was smooth as butter.
Mattlikewhoa
Member
Mr Spliff said:
Quick question about this mode. Can you play it co-op? How long does it take to complete? How much money do you earn each time you play it?
Arpharmd B
Banned
Please specify which console you have when you are making a comment about online play.
So far I've read nothing but negative on the PS3 side and mixed reviews on the 360 side.
In fact in this page and the last, I think there are more positive 360 claims than negative.
I will have the real deal verdict in about 1 and a half hours. I know when a game has inherently shit netcode versus just laggy connections. Case in point: SF4. Some days, the lag is so god awful and everyone has 3 bars. Other days I get tons of 4 and 5 bar. The real test is between me and my boy. Same ISP, same speed, both direct connect.
If we get lag, then the netcode is beyond shit. Will post as soon as this thing is installed on my 360.
So far I've read nothing but negative on the PS3 side and mixed reviews on the 360 side.
In fact in this page and the last, I think there are more positive 360 claims than negative.
I will have the real deal verdict in about 1 and a half hours. I know when a game has inherently shit netcode versus just laggy connections. Case in point: SF4. Some days, the lag is so god awful and everyone has 3 bars. Other days I get tons of 4 and 5 bar. The real test is between me and my boy. Same ISP, same speed, both direct connect.
If we get lag, then the netcode is beyond shit. Will post as soon as this thing is installed on my 360.
MrMephistoX
Gold Member
CcrooK said:
The game is not widely available yet. How many people across the country even have the game yet? I'd probably say only a few 1,000 at best. Once you have 100,000 or so in the pool things will probably pick up as distances between opponents shrink.
Arpharmd B
Banned
^ They don't specify console. But. Damn. That is not encouraging.
IcebergSlim3000
Member
I think it's about time for a thread title change.
d0c_zaius said:Sorry I come from the era where games (fighting in particular) didnt have these extra lag filled (minus BB of course) modes. To me, online is a near useless bullet point on the back of the box only for the purpose of meeting the "next gen" feature list of the casual video game consumer.
So then you agree that he should cancel his preorder, and not play the game at all, vs. playing what he can and see how online improves. This to me, makes no sense at all.
and online = integral to a fighting game? news to me dude. I think most fighting game players would say that online is a joke as lag ruins any feel or training you develop over time. EDIT: Not talking about GGPO of course
Not shitting up the thread with a new post anymore
"Online is fighters should and will be as required as online is in FPS."
Bioshock among others, but I get your point. However as you mentioned, since its only really been well implemented in one title (BB), I expect it to be crap and will be surprised if it isnt. Saves me the nerd rage.
I remember early on in the Doom/Quake days people turned their nose at internet play in favor of LAN parties because of quality of connection at the time and that the work involved would bring out the best players in an area. Not anymore.
Fighting games survived for a long time without online, but lets face the facts. The community turned niche with the death of arcades, and the genre was getting slept on while other genre's had lots of growth over the years. In 2009, you need online to get the mainstream involved, and that equals more dollars towards the genre. SF4 would not have been as big a hit if the online sucked. While not legit for real tourney play it's good enough to get a feel for the game and get some good matches going, enough for a young player to get decent skills at the basic mechanics, to get the confidence to seek out players in the area and get some real competition offline.
But to smirk at online play in a fighter is just going to lead the genre back into dark ages when there was a huge gap and no real new exciting releases.
that G4 review comes off so bitter, even more so by the defending the reviewer does in the comments.
Hating on tekken for having tekken gameplay? okkkkkkkkkkkkkk buddy
Krazen, seeing as fighting games are Japanese developed (thus subject to cultural opinion on the worth of online), I'm going to have to disagree with your dark age prediction. But that is a topic that deserves its own.
Hating on tekken for having tekken gameplay? okkkkkkkkkkkkkk buddy
Krazen, seeing as fighting games are Japanese developed (thus subject to cultural opinion on the worth of online), I'm going to have to disagree with your dark age prediction. But that is a topic that deserves its own.
scotcheggz
Member
Mr Spliff said:
Thats a bit of a bummer for me. I'll still play this a LOT, becuase I love me some Tekken. But I'm with you %100, offline ranking in DR was always fun and motivated me to play much much more than online ranking.
I take issue with this if it affects the timing requirements of the arcade version, more or less, and there's a big difference between a fighting game and its port. I don't want huge timing windows everywhere for the sake of lag compensation.
Every home port should have online play, but we don't need every game being made with online having priority over offline. Which is not how competitive FPSes work, obviously.
PepsimanVsJoe
Member
Okay the inability to progress past 1st Dan offline is a totally "What the fuck were they thinking?" decision.
Namco really could have just had separate rankings for both on and offline but then they'd be ripping off Sega wouldn't they?
What a joke.
Namco really could have just had separate rankings for both on and offline but then they'd be ripping off Sega wouldn't they?
What a joke.
RelentlessRolento
Member
This entire thread got silly real quick in just a few days :lol
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