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Official Worldwide VC, WiiWare, & DSiWare Thread
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Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Capndrake said:
well i guess after cho aniki they decided to one-up themselves.
Golden Darkness
Member
Reported from the Final Fantasy IV The After rumor thread, ESRB has rated Final Fantasy IV: The After Years for the Wii - http://www.esrb.org/ratings/synopsis.jsp?Certificate=26415
Looks like a lock for WiiWare, isn't it?
Looks like a lock for WiiWare, isn't it?
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
Capndrake said:
How much Japanese text is in this game and can I reasonably hate Nintendo for not bringing this over?
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
Capndrake said:
Japan is ten levels of awesome.
"Back then, our developers wrote down everything he said, even the stuff he said when drunk."
:lol :lol
PepsimanVsJoe
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Revenge of Shinobi. Holy freaking crap.
Either Sega/M2 made more edits to the game or somebody just doesn't give a fuck.
Either Sega/M2 made more edits to the game or somebody just doesn't give a fuck.
SonicMegaDrive
Member
Revenge of Shinobi!
Yes, please!
Yes, please!
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
PepsimanVsJoe
Member
levious said:
It's possible.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
morningbus said:
Well, it's definitely a historical artifact. It's one of a kind. But... it's not fun--that's the point. It's meant to torture gamers and make them feel the pain they deserve. Takeshi rules!
It's probably the best intentionally bad parody game ever.
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
Stumpokapow said:
Oh my god. Game hates gamers, Nintendo hates gamers...
Next Monday is an import day on the VC!
brain_stew
Member
Capndrake said:
What the hell? :lol
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
Capndrake said:
That's just cruel. :lol
Dragona Akehi
Retired
Osuwari said:
It also crashes the game. In a game where you're not meant to do hard saves all that often.
Princess Skittles
Prince's's 'Skittle's
Oh my God YES. So much yes.d+pad said:
SonicMegaDrive
Member
hmm, all these ESRB updates are a good sign.
I had almost given up on the service thinking it's best days were behind it.
Very glad to see
I had almost given up on the service thinking it's best days were behind it.
Very glad to see
Iam Canadian
and have the worst user name EVER
Twinbee is definitely a good sign.
I'd prefer Parodius, but hey, Twinbee is cool too!
Idk if this was allready posted but, heres the exsclusive trailer for "night" game. www.tinyurl.com/nightgame
TheGrayGhost
Banned
I wonder if we'll get Super Punch-Out!! in anticipation for Punch-Out!! Wii. I hope so.
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The one game I keep coming back to is Dr. Mario RX for WiiWare. I highly recommend it to anyone searching for a game to play to in-between games, and if you already have it, I'd love to exchange Friend Codes with you.
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The one game I keep coming back to is Dr. Mario RX for WiiWare. I highly recommend it to anyone searching for a game to play to in-between games, and if you already have it, I'd love to exchange Friend Codes with you.
wackojackosnose
Member
(Crushed under the weight of so many puzzle games on WiiWare and DSiWare though...)
(... need variety... ack)
(... need variety... ack)
TheGrayGhost
Banned
I should know this, but do N64 games support rumble if your using a GC controller?
Hero of Legend
Member
I'm dying for some more N64 games. Why is this platform so neglected?!
Conrad Link
Member
Harder emulation, longer testing needed?
Storage space annoyances?
Who knows.
Storage space annoyances?
Who knows.
Lost Fragment
Obsessed with 4chan
Speaking of the 64...any chance of Ogre Battle 64 on VC, Dragona?
Edit: Forgot that one was publishsed by Atlus, so I guess you wouldn't know anyway.
Edit: Forgot that one was publishsed by Atlus, so I guess you wouldn't know anyway.
TheGrayGhost
Banned
storl026 said:
It really is. It kind of dampens my want to play Paper Mario. The rumble-pak in that game made battles even more enjoyable. Sigh. Thwomping a baddie with my super hammer won't feel right.
Excellent. Will buy Twinbee, may or may not buy Bomberman.Capndrake said:
Looking at what's already available, VC's best days probably are behind it, at least for me--but it can still have several great, great days yet to come. And yeah, Japanese releases and ESRB ratings (or any other ratings) are always good reminders why.SonicMegaDrive said:hmm, all these ESRB updates are a good sign.
I had almost given up on the service thinking it's best days were behind it.
Very glad to see
Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
DavidDayton said:
Its cap it's so low that is ridiculous, thus developers not being able to do with full Wiiware version of their retail titles; the fact that there's such restiction is NOT (ridiculous).
Ridiculous = the size limit it's too low for full retail-like games.
crowphoenix
Banned
I will not be happy until I am exploding zombies with a water pistol.Jiggy said:
wsippel said:
When you consider great titles such as MoO being done in less space than some of the crap WiiWare titles coming out, It's clearly not about storage.
Granted people demand more intensive AV these days, but it's the effort and the fact that most studios today seem to associate limitations placed on them as being 'bad' so they tend to gravitate towards open ended specs and scalability. And their budgets tend to, not surprisingly, also become open ended and scalable.
I quite honestly don't believe that's the future of games and the talent needs to find their way back to creating games under a hard limit, some of the best games were made with those limits and I've seen no evidence that the expansiveness has allowed them to do better things. In fact, all the extra RAM cutting edge gaming PCs have today tends to get eaten up in graphical features and silly things like 'realistic' exploding physics, which has no bearing on gameplay or the game itself.
Well, let's just say if a composer tells me he needs 5MB for a single song, he deserves a kick in the balls. If I develop for a platform like WiiWare, I start by thinking about the storage limitations and work accordingly: Develop a visual style that doesn't require insanely detailed high res textures. Use stills for cutscenes, preferably with several layers. If you need animations, do them on the fly, in engine (including title and logo animations). Use efficient audio formats and appropriate tools like trackers. Use the most efficient compression schemes available, and the most appropriate one for each type of asset (encode voice samples using Speex for example). Research procedural generation.
There are lots of ways to keep things small. It's actually easier these days than it was years ago, when storage space was much more of an issue. But how many video game composers these days even know what trackers are for example, let alone how to use them?
There are lots of ways to keep things small. It's actually easier these days than it was years ago, when storage space was much more of an issue. But how many video game composers these days even know what trackers are for example, let alone how to use them?
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
wsippel said:
Okay all of that is great except if composers aren't doing that, the service suffers. If developers are saying "Nintendo, your restrictions are unreasonable"--it doesn't matter who is right and who is wrong, the net impact is that the developers will make their games elsewhere and Nintendo will suffer as a result. Whether or not the developers also suffer as a result of choosing the PC, XBLA, PSN, iPhone, XNA, etc. is a different question, but it's not anywhere near as important from the perspective of someone who wants to play great games on the Wii.
I think it's pretty clear that while WiiWare is getting a lot of games, the type (although not necessarily the calibre--I don't want to get into a pissing match between World of Goo and Braid. There's no need for that) and origin (in terms of developers / publishers) of the games on WiiWare is being impacted by this... just as was true when XBLA had the 50 MB limit at the early days of that service.
Stumpy, as a whole, the downloadable service regardless of their size limitations are getting mostly shitty if not mediocre/forgettable games.
The genres I thought would have been covered, deep adventure games, platformers, strategy, stuff you think could get away with a small budget and smaller teams and benefit from digital distribution aren't being made.
The single most overdone genre on these downloadable services are the funky psychedelic puzzle type games that really are in competition for the same shrinking pie.
The problem is that the top tier talents view these services are throwaway, 2nd tier and not worth their time. They want to stuff 18, 24, 50 GB worth of content into a $60 retail product with a thin margin than spend their time working on a smaller scale 50 MB game.
So far, only Capcom has attempted to create a AAA product on the services.
The genres I thought would have been covered, deep adventure games, platformers, strategy, stuff you think could get away with a small budget and smaller teams and benefit from digital distribution aren't being made.
The single most overdone genre on these downloadable services are the funky psychedelic puzzle type games that really are in competition for the same shrinking pie.
The problem is that the top tier talents view these services are throwaway, 2nd tier and not worth their time. They want to stuff 18, 24, 50 GB worth of content into a $60 retail product with a thin margin than spend their time working on a smaller scale 50 MB game.
So far, only Capcom has attempted to create a AAA product on the services.
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