triplestation
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OMG Wrestling is Fake, why do you watch this crap
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While there are a ton of stupid and silly fun stuff in wrestling not everything is that. It's a little reductive to put it all in that same bag.
Wrestling as tons of great moments that aren't silly or dumb and actually involve people in a meaningful way. I get that it's hard for people who don't watch it to understand that but it's true.
Bryan's Wrestlemania moment wasn't dumb or silly. Actually, it had an impact on me that few TV Shows have had on me.
The person who said that is a fucking idiot.
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I'm not saying it isn't thrilling to watch on a minute to minute basis even if the outcome is predetermined; clearly wrestling fans find that core action exciting. Nor am I saying that it isn't thrilling or fun for fans to speculate who will "win" the match as it progresses.
I'm saying that the specific thrill of knowing that the playing field is completely even and the application of the athlete's skill is what will determine the outcome is absent in wrestling. I don't think that's a controversial statement. It's a different dynamic to other sports, where the wrestlers themselves have a degree of knowledge that the audience don't. Their job is to guide the match to an outcome that has already been decided. Ultimately, your tolerance for this dynamic will govern whether you will like wrestling or not.
I didn't bring up the soap opera thing, it's a pretty common analogy people make when talking about the American brand of wrestling that's exported internationally. Admittedly, I know virtually nothing about the intricacies of wrestling outside that sphere, but my immediate thought when watching that video you posted was "it looks more natural than American wrestling, but it still doesn't look like real combat", which feeds into my original point about verisimilitude and the distinction between action movies and live wrestling. I want to stress that I'm not shitting on anyone with a passion for wrestling, live and let live and all that.
I don't know if you know this but those times he got screwed weren't a set up for Mania. He simply got screwed because their future plans didn't involve Bryan.
The 18 seconds at Mania, the Authority vs Bryan feud and the Wyatt stuff wasn't a giant build up for his win.
Until the Royal Rumble the plan was Baptist vs Orton and HHH vs Punk. Bryan wasn't even close to the main event and they were pretty much forced into it by the fans that loved Bryan.
Bryan's victory was as real as it gets since, by sheer talent that made the fans love him that way, he got were he wasn't supposed to.
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Not really a huge fan of the new stuff but boy do I LOVE some of the old stuff 1983-2000's. And I will always appreciate it.
Sir_Crocodile
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Wrestling is basically (at it's best) an highly athletic, over the top soap opera and I love that. Calling it "fake" is a huge disservice given how hard the guys and gals train, and how risky some of the moves and spots they do are.
Attitude era is my fave. Not as good as Sunset Beach or Neighbours during the "Evil Harold" era though. Slighlty better then Eastenders during it's golden "This is my Car Lot Roy"/"You hit me over the head with an Iron, mo" eras.
Current product is finally producing some compelling characters (Ambrose, Wyatt), but the storylines and commentary still need a LOT of work.
OP, I think the problem is people can't be bothered get past the "IT'S A FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKE" part of it and see the great matches and witty repartee and vince macmahon vomit jokes(well, probably better to ignore that last one)
Attitude era is my fave. Not as good as Sunset Beach or Neighbours during the "Evil Harold" era though. Slighlty better then Eastenders during it's golden "This is my Car Lot Roy"/"You hit me over the head with an Iron, mo" eras.
Current product is finally producing some compelling characters (Ambrose, Wyatt), but the storylines and commentary still need a LOT of work.
OP, I think the problem is people can't be bothered get past the "IT'S A FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKE" part of it and see the great matches and witty repartee and vince macmahon vomit jokes(well, probably better to ignore that last one)
Vince can't be God, God was Shawn Michael's tag team partner vs Shane and Vince.
Unless it was all a higher power level swerve...hey, who DID lift the briefcase anyway?
Wait...GTV...it's all starting to make sense...
It's not confusing, it's just that a lot of us think judging based on the way it presents itself is stupid.
Funny how reasoning starts with "I don't understand why."
Right, you don't understand. But if you would like to understand, people can explain why they like it. They have a multitude of reasons.
If after understanding the why you still don't like it, that's fine.
Some folks though are perfectly ok with not understanding and hating. Which is a universal problem all around.
Right, you don't understand. But if you would like to understand, people can explain why they like it. They have a multitude of reasons.
If after understanding the why you still don't like it, that's fine.
Some folks though are perfectly ok with not understanding and hating. Which is a universal problem all around.
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Evening Musuko
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This right here. Especially the bolded. Lots of people here talk about the writing as in whenever a wrestler talks into a mic. Which is a shame because that's only part of what makes pro-wrestling, well, pro-wrestling.
It's the reason why people can watch a mid-90's All Japan Pro Wrestling match despite having little to no knowledge of Japanese.
Actions speak louder than words and nowhere is this more prominent than in pro wrestling
Heh, even that's wrong. As said above, there's mockumentary's, fount-footage films like Paranormal Activity and staged reality shows a plenty .
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it's fake and badly acted and juvenile
sorry
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Comparing it to Sopranos is really dumb. It's more like the Mortal Kombat Conquest series or the MK movies or any martial arts film. It's fun and dumb; that's the appeal. And it's got some cool action, some humor, and some bad ass tough guys to root for. Do you also not get martial arts films?
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I'm sorry too
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No need to apologize since you're right. Now tell what you love that is so mature and beyond reproach.
I get the feeling they might like that man baby hobby videogamez. It's fake, badly acted, and juvenile.
Evening Musuko
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Anyone who thinks wrestling is trying to be real these days, and isn't a child is just plain ignorant. Period.
Considering the fact that the biggest pro wrestling company calls itself "World Wrestling Entertainment", all the documentaries they produce with all kinds of behind the scenes footage, and the interviews wrestlers do talking about writers and planning out matches, there's really no excuse to think that any wrestling promotion is trying to be "real".
I mean, it's dumb for them to expect them to be "real" because then that's just breaking character.
Imagine if Bryan Cranston, in a live stage production of Breaking Bad, stopped being Walter White and just started doing things as Bryan Cranston. That would be pretty unprofessional. The same thing goes for pro wrestling.
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This observation really makes people look spectacularly dumb, especially with as meta as the WWE is lately. AHEM *with professorial bearing THIS BATTLE IS STAGED AND THOSE GUYS AREN'T EVEN REALLY MAD AT EACH OTHER *crowd gasps
It's like a Homer Simpson level discovery, and is especially funny because it comes across like they JUST 'figured it out'. Not to mention that calling it fake shows they don't even really know what they're watching.
It's like a Homer Simpson level discovery, and is especially funny because it comes across like they JUST 'figured it out'. Not to mention that calling it fake shows they don't even really know what they're watching.
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With Triple H and Stephanie and the top of decision making, I don't understand how anyone can continue to watch WWE with these two making the calls on who gets a push or not.
Most people that say it's fake somehow think they are in on something we don't know.
That's how everyone I met comes across.
OMG I DIDN'T KNOW!!!!!!!
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Plenty of young guns getting their pushes right now brah.
BronsonLee
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Thank goodness for NXT and Indy Feds!
Vince still has the final decision, and it's honestly bringing them down.
NXT is all HHH and it's the best show WWE has by far with all the right decisions being made.
Vince still makes those calls.
I don't have a problem with it being fake, i do roll my eyes when people get excited about X wrestler being undefeated for X amount of time, quite the acomplishment that is.
Sorry, but that's how i see it.
Can you bet on wrestling matches even?
I can't get invested in a sport with fake champions. Yes they are magnificent athletes, but knowing it's all staged kills it for me.
Sorry, but that's how i see it.
Can you bet on wrestling matches even?
I can't get invested in a sport with fake champions. Yes they are magnificent athletes, but knowing it's all staged kills it for me.
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you watch football don't you?
Maybe it speaks to how bad the writing/scripting has become (or maybe it's really really good in a "we've believably shoehorned him into a situation we never anticipated and if your not heavily involved in the backstage politics you probably would have never known" kind of way? I dunno) but to me, as someone who admittedly has only gotten back into it the last year or so, all the writing was on the wall for bryan to take wrestlemania. Ever since Summerslam (i believe it was SS) where hbk and the authority screwed him over and orton cashed in his contract immediately after bryan won, it seemed like the powers that be were trolling fans being that his following was so huge. So from that moment i kind of figured he'd definitely get a legit comeuppance and what better place then wrestlemania where that following could swell even more going into they're biggest event of the year to help sell it. So yeah, the way i saw it, it all looked painfully obvious and the idea that there was even a possibility that he wouldn't even get the chance to legitimately regain and hold onto the title just seems like kind of ridiculous writing/booking given the outpouring of support he had been consistently getting.
Goldust never bothered. The only thing that bothered me on any kind of "sexual" level was Val Venis and the Mae West/Mark Henry angle. Both were a lil too overt in how they were handled but again, the attitude era
How witty.
Sure, it's been proven that SOME matches are fixed, just like some boxing matches are, doesn't make the rest of the 99% of games being played every year any less real.
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Vader could have handled that better.
BronsonLee
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To be fair...
Compared to Hulk Hogan choking out Detective Munch and Dave Schultz smacking people on 20/20...
tycoonheart
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Steph and Trips have been awesome. Don't understand the hate. Yeaaa some of the decisions have been a little nutty. If anything has gone down since the 90s its the writing.
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Getting excited about streaks and champions in Wrestling is no different than being invested in a storyline on any other TV Show. It's best not to compare wrestling to sports and instead compare it to any other work of fiction that you don't know the out come of if you haven't read the spoilers. You get excited because you want to see where it goes next. Will Undertaker go 22-0 or will he be finally defeated? I don't know, I had my assumption that he would win and was surprised by the swerve; just as I would be by any other work of fiction.
I watch both RAW and 24 and to be honest, the style of story between the two isn't that much different. Both are escapist forms of entertainment that rely on outlandish plot lines.
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It's Vader... lol.
Yeah I don't get it either. My g/f used to say the same thing "why you watch this shit, its so fake" etc but I think she gets it and kinda likes it now on some level (though I doubt she would watch it if I didn't). It's fun, mindless entertainment like watching a tv show or a soap opera with some athletic performance art thrown in.
The fundamental flop being the worst part of it for me
Flopping is far more disingenuous than wrestling ever could be.
Pissed that Mexico got eliminated but those dudes would have done the same shit if they could.
With BnB injured I can see GFs' care levels dropping
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