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On the Idea of Idris Elba being James Bond

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Penguin

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It's now or never, dude is 43. He may think he's too old but Daniel Craig is 48. They can at least get 2-3 Bonds out of him.

Hopefully Eon comes to their senses.

And Craig is hanging it up

If this was in the 60s/70s where they churned these things out like yearly or every other year, easy decision.

But now you're looking at like 2-3 years in-between sequels. He'll have like 2 before he is 50 and we really don't need a Roger Moore repeat
 

diamount

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And Craig is hanging it up

If this was in the 60s/70s where they churned these things out like yearly or every other year, easy decision.

But now you're looking at like 2-3 years in-between sequels. He'll have like 2 before he is 50 and we really don't need a Roger Moore repeat

If Tom Cruise can still do action scenes in his 50s, why couldn't Idris?
 

DeathyBoy

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And Craig is hanging it up

If this was in the 60s/70s where they churned these things out like yearly or every other year, easy decision.

But now you're looking at like 2-3 years in-between sequels. He'll have like 2 before he is 50 and we really don't need a Roger Moore repeat

Craig's situation was weird because they were aiming for one every couple of years and then stopped suddenly for a long while, and by the time they picked up they HAD to do 'experienced Bond.' There's clearly a film missing between OoS and Skyfall, because he goes from 'I'm a young punk' to 'I got too old for this shit' between films.

If they actually do one every two years with Idris, they should be able to get a trilogy out of him. And in this day and age, that's about all the quality you're gonna get from one actor in the role.
 

-griffy-

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It's now or never, dude is 43. He may think he's too old but Daniel Craig is 48. They can at least get 2-3 Bonds out of him.

Hopefully Eon comes to their senses.

They could probably get one at best. We're at least 2-3 years out from another one. The time has realistically long passed for Idris. If they had snatched him up straight out of The Wire he could have had a good run, but he wasn't a big enough name then and Craig was just getting started. Maybe if Craig quit after Skyfall they could have made it work for an abbreviated run, but it's just bad timing all around for any Idris hopes.
 

DeathyBoy

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They could probably get one at best. We're at least 2-3 years out from another one. The time has realistically long passed for Idris. If they had snatched him up straight out of The Wire he could have had a good run, but he wasn't a big enough name then and Craig was just getting started. Maybe if Craig quit after Skyfall they could have made it work for an abbreviated run, but it's just bad timing all around for any Idris hopes.

Why would we want an extended run?

Brosnan and Craig both petered out/looked bored as fuck with what they had to work with in their fourth films. And that was with Craig having a small say in the direction the character headed.
 

platocplx

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-griffy-

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Why would we want an extended run?

Brosnan and Craig both petered out/looked bored as fuck with what they had to work with in their fourth films. And that was with Craig having a small say in the direction the character headed.

Doesn't matter what we want. The producers would presumably rather hire a guy who has the potential to knock out 4-5 films. And I'm saying even an abbreviated run with Idris is probably off the tables at this point.
 

nekkid

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The OP made this thread a year ago when Craig was still clearly Bond so it wasn't that confusing at the time. It's a lot more misleading now, but that's not the OP's fault.

Yeah I just made an edit. It was only in jest, anyway.
 
And Craig is hanging it up

If this was in the 60s/70s where they churned these things out like yearly or every other year, easy decision.

But now you're looking at like 2-3 years in-between sequels. He'll have like 2 before he is 50 and we really don't need a Roger Moore repeat

Depends on how one ages. When I saw Craig take the part back in 2006, even though he was 37-38 at the time I had a feeling he wasn't going to age that great if he takes on the part for 10 years. Moore did the majority of his Bond films after 50 and ended around 57, he had visibly aged out of being taken seriously( especially with his womanizing of ladies half his age) after For your eyes only.Brosnan was almost 50 in Die another day and looked pretty spry for his final role. Elba will probably age gracefully so being past 50 and doing the Bond thing won't be a big deal.
 

DeathyBoy

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Doesn't matter what we want. The producers would presumably rather hire a guy who has the potential to knock out 4-5 films. And I'm saying even an abbreviated run with Idris is probably off the tables at this point.

The producers would hire a 20 year old if that's all they cared about. The fact that routinely hired guys in their late 30s and early 40s suggests they're casting people who fit the character rather than thinking 'OMG DAT EXTENDED RUN.'
 
The producers would hire a 20 year old if that's all they cared about. The fact that routinely hired guys in their late 30s and early 40s suggests they're casting people who fit the character rather than thinking 'OMG DAT EXTENDED RUN.'

Exactly. Connery was 32( and had a mature look) and Lazenby 30 in their debut films, all the Bonds between them and Craig were all north of 40 when they took on the role.
 

-griffy-

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Exactly. Connery was 32( and had a mature look) and Lazenby 30 in their debut films, all the Bonds between them and Craig were all north of 40 when they took on the role.

And if Idris was cast today that would still make him the oldest Bond at the release of his first film, and that's assuming an optimistic schedule. I just don't see them going that route.
 
And if Idris was cast today that would still make him the oldest Bond at the release of his first film, and that's assuming an optimistic schedule. I just don't see them going that route.

Dalton was 43 when Living Daylights came out, let's say he was 42 when shooting took place. Moore was 46 in Live and let die, so was probably 45 when shooting. Brosnan was 42 when Goldeneye came out.

So no, Elba at 43 would not be the oldest nor would casting him at this age be outside the norm. Craig was cast at 36( 2004) because they wanted to reboot with Bond at the beginning of his career, and even then I thought he looked too aged to be 'young' Bond.
 

-griffy-

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Dalton was 43 when Living Daylights came out, let's say he was 42 when shooting took place. Moore was 46 in Live and let die, so was probably 45 when shooting. Brosnan was 42 when Goldeneye came out.

So no, Elba at 43 would not be the oldest nor would casting him at this age be outside the norm.

I said at the release of his first film. Moore was 45 when Live and Let Die came out. Elba is 43 today, and would be 45-46 when his theoretical first film comes out unless they really rush things.

Every single day that passes puts him farther and farther outside of the "norm."

I'm not trying to be difficult here. It just seems plausible that the window for Idris has passed. I would love to be wrong, I just ain't getting my hopes up.
 
I said at the release of his first film. Moore was 45 when Live and Let Die came out. Elba is 43 today, and would be 45-46 when his theoretical first film comes out unless they really rush things.

Every single day that passes puts him farther and farther outside of the "norm."

I'm not trying to be difficult here. It just seems plausible that the window for Idris has passed. I would love to be wrong, I just ain't getting my hopes up.

I know what you said. And regarding Moore, he was born in 1927. LALD came out in 1973. so he was 46 on the year of release. Elba goes 44 this year, if he was announced as Bond today and they pump out a film by 2018, he'd be the same age as Moore on year of release, not the oldest per your earlier statement. The issue now is the number of years between films. Connery pumped out a Bond film every year from Dr.No to Thunderball, skipped a year, then You only leave twice. Moore was every 2 years for the most part, as was Dalton, then the 6 year gap between License to Kill and Goldeneye, then Brosnan pumped out a film every 2 years( 3 between the world is not enough and Die another day). But there was 4 years between QOS and Skyfall, and 3 between Skyfall and Spectre. If they're going to stretch it out like that for whatever reason( and yeah, I'm aware there were things going on behind the scenes during Craig's tenure), then yeah casting a 44 year old Elba 'may' be an issue if they want to get 10 years of mileage. If they stuck with a 2-3 year release window, Elba could have as many as 3 Bond films out by 50.

And again, more important than the actor's real life age is the age they appear onscreen and how old the filmmakers want him to portray. Elba shaved probably looks around 40-41 max,so him being 43/44 is irrelevant if he can portray a character a few years younger than his real-life age. It depends on which Bond version we're getting next, are we sticking with 'early' career Bond and continuing the Craig film lineage, or are we going with a more mature Bond? Are they soft-rebooting again? He's a character that exists in his own time bubble as the world around him changes and ages, so it's really about what the filmmakers are doing after Spectre. Craig has aged a fair bit visually in the last 3-4 years, making his portrayal of 'early' career Bond no longer viable because of how he 'looks', not because the actor in real life is 47/48.

Personally, I don't want Elba as Bond because I'm not interested in an PC ethnicity switch for a character who was created to be a white Brit. Just as I wouldn't want Shaft to be depicted as a white man if the character was imagined as a jive-talking Black American male. Elba's age doesn't factor anywhere in my mind as to his appropriateness for the role.
 

Pandy

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If it isn't Idris or Emily Blunt, I don't know that I'll bother watching it.

Not a fan of the direction the Craig films took, so if it isn't another fresh reboot I'm not interested.
 

Zakalwe

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I think they should go with someone in their mid thirties.

I'd also love to see a bond set in the period of the novels.
 

-griffy-

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I know what you said. And regarding Moore, he was born in 1927. LALD came out in 1973. so he was 46 on the year of release.

He was 45 when the film came out in July, which is what I said. He turned 46 in October of that year. So if Elba is 46 when his nonexistent film comes out then he'd be the oldest Bond at the time of release. I did the maths before I posted.
 
He was 45 when the film came out in July, which is what I said. He turned 46 in October of that year. So if Elba is 46 when his nonexistent film comes out then he'd be the oldest Bond at the time of release. I did the maths before I posted.

And if he was selected today at 43, turned 44 in September and filming started next year, he'd be 44 going 45 during filming. Filming for LALD commenced in October 1972, so Moore turned 45 the same month as filming.

Of course, I'm sure we're both aware how silly this chain of dialogue is. We don't know what the filmmakers are going for with Craig's departure, and Bond actors have been cast from 30 to 45 so without knowing how they're moving forward, I don't see the point in carrying on this tedious discussion about his age. As much as I liked Craig's portrayal, he never struck me as an ideal visual representation of a younger Bond. He looked fairly hardened and world-weary even in Casino Royale, and I'm guessing he was supposed to play an early 30's Bond but as we know, Craig was 38 in CR. So what's age got to do with it, really?
 
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