Once cross gen ends, would you be happy with 1080p on 'next gen' games if it meant keeping 60fps?
Cockles & Whelks
Banned
No. Anything that's not 8K and 15fps isn't worth my time.
Tiamat2san
Member
At least 1440p with tons of effects!
DispatchNinja
Banned
I tried playing a game that was 30 fps recently and it was disgusting. I don't want to go back to that.
Angelcurio
Member
Each time I jump from Destiny 2 on PS4 to the PS5 version, I feel like i'm playing a game from two completely different generation of consoles, instead of a last gen title with a couple of new features. 60fps makes that much of a difference.
Phoenix RISING
Banned
I expect 2K, 60 fps minimum this gen.
StateofMajora
Banned
Yes but I prefer 1440p60 with reduced graphics.
On the consoles AMD Fidelity FX Super Resolution should hopefully provide somewhat comparable results to DLSS to allow for 1080p native to be effectively AI Upscaled to look really close to native 4K, so where possible I think it's going to be a non-issue whether devs render their games at native 4K or use some lower base res to AI upscale from.
The extra horsepower available should be used for better physics, performance and of course graphics.
I don't think just focusing on 60FPS will be necessary, a lot of more demanding games could be 1080p 120FPS, perhaps RT included to some degree and the hardware could AI Upscale the RT effects to look much better.
The extra horsepower available should be used for better physics, performance and of course graphics.
I don't think just focusing on 60FPS will be necessary, a lot of more demanding games could be 1080p 120FPS, perhaps RT included to some degree and the hardware could AI Upscale the RT effects to look much better.
Jibran#one
Member
1080p is fine on monitors , the problem is big tvs mostly 65 and + sizes 1080p and 4k is night and day I'll honestly take 4k over 1080p since I'm so used to 4k now
Putonahappyface
Gold Member
Dynamic 4k60 or 1440p60 I could live with. If 1080p/60 became the norm I'd sell my ps5 and build a gaming PC.
Ps5 Pro incoming.
Ps5 Pro incoming.
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BootsLoader
Banned
I want 1080p with 30fps but output real next gen graphics.
TrebleShot
Member
I don't mind lower internal res such as in Returnal if the upscaling tech results in a crisp image, essentially you don't see the difference.
However once I knew it was rendering at 1080 internally I started looking for the artefacts and found a few.
My biggest gripe is the low quality in-game face of Selene, when you pan the camera and look at that, it does look like a PS3 game.
However once I knew it was rendering at 1080 internally I started looking for the artefacts and found a few.
My biggest gripe is the low quality in-game face of Selene, when you pan the camera and look at that, it does look like a PS3 game.
The_Mighty_X
Banned
I only have a 40" 720p plasma... am I good for the future?
Picture is nice to me...
Picture is nice to me...
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Pagusas
Elden Member
all that matters is you are happy
Omnipunctual Godot
Member
Not sure they ever promised all of these "at the same time," but they're all pretty common in PS5/XSX games.
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fart town usa
Banned
Absolutely. My TV only does 1080p and I'm not upgrading anytime soon. Also, I'm coming over to the 60fps world now that my eyes adjusting. Gonna be hard to go back.
At least give us the option for 60fps and lower resolution. It's like the one gen where it's actually possible on consoles. No need to fuck it up by everyone trying to pull a CP2077.
At least give us the option for 60fps and lower resolution. It's like the one gen where it's actually possible on consoles. No need to fuck it up by everyone trying to pull a CP2077.
Dusktildawn48
Member
1440p 60fps is the minimum that's acceptable for me.
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
I'm not playing anything at 30fps again.
I don't care about raytracing.
I've played a couple of games with 30fps raytracing modes and both times have wondered who would be prepared to play a game in that mode when the 60fps mode is available.
I know people do, but it's not for me.
I don't care about raytracing.
I've played a couple of games with 30fps raytracing modes and both times have wondered who would be prepared to play a game in that mode when the 60fps mode is available.
I know people do, but it's not for me.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
As far as I'm concerned, 30 fps doesn't exist anymore. Switch undocked is the only exception..
custardbun01
Member
I'm on a 1080p TV anyway and PS5 games look just fine. I'd rather they amped the graphical fidelity and frame rate over resolution.
saintjules
Member
If it looks like Uncharted 4 PS5 version, sure.
Boss Mog
Member
Horizon Forbidden West has shattered the notion that cross-gen games would look weak on current gen systems. HFW on PS5 is one of the best if not the best looking game ever and it manages to have a solid 60fps mode without much compromise. I fully expect 60fps to be an option even after cross-gen is over; too many players prefer 60fps.
GymWolf
Member
The amount of console exclusive i play in a gen constitute like less than 5% of my total gaming time.
I'm perfectly ok with sony studios (because i play M games on pc) pushing graphic in those obsolete machines instead of having 60 fps, i can survive playing 1-2 games every year at stable 30 fps with mindblowing graphic.
Also 1080p on a 4k screen looks like trash most of the times.
I have my pc for the reamaining 95% of games at 60 frames.
I'm perfectly ok with sony studios (because i play M games on pc) pushing graphic in those obsolete machines instead of having 60 fps, i can survive playing 1-2 games every year at stable 30 fps with mindblowing graphic.
Also 1080p on a 4k screen looks like trash most of the times.
I have my pc for the reamaining 95% of games at 60 frames.
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The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
1080p is pretty blurred compared to 1440p. I can see a huge difference between those 2.
Kuranghi
Member
My main issue with 30fps before was really high input lag but they've figured out ways to mitigate that a lot recently.
Horizon 2 has amazing input lag in the 30fps mode, 60fps feels better but it's not like night and day, meanwhile image quality takes a massive hit and is very noticeable on a large display at a viewing distance where you get the full benefit of 4K, which unfortunately is unreasonably close in a room used for things other than gaming. So for most people with families and/or more than average sized rooms you'll need a giant display.
If you don't have that kind of setup I can see why you'd think the IQ is meaningless and a waste of time when you lose half your motion clarity and some to a lot of responsiveness.
1080p with near perfect AA to remove all jaggies still look like 1080p, you lose so much of the detail of modern games even at 1440p imo. I just couldn't believe how much more detail I saw in Jedi Fallen Order at native 4K vs. 1440p, its the exact same with Horizon 2 its hard to appreciate the finer details in the performance mode.
I'd be fine with 1080p-1440p for games like Psychonauts 2 to get 60hz or even 120hz but high frequency detail demands higher res imo, otherwise might as well have the fidelity of the last gen since you can't see it through a lower res frame.
The exception for the above being lighting advances or other things that can still be resolved at lower 1080p.
Horizon 2 has amazing input lag in the 30fps mode, 60fps feels better but it's not like night and day, meanwhile image quality takes a massive hit and is very noticeable on a large display at a viewing distance where you get the full benefit of 4K, which unfortunately is unreasonably close in a room used for things other than gaming. So for most people with families and/or more than average sized rooms you'll need a giant display.
If you don't have that kind of setup I can see why you'd think the IQ is meaningless and a waste of time when you lose half your motion clarity and some to a lot of responsiveness.
1080p with near perfect AA to remove all jaggies still look like 1080p, you lose so much of the detail of modern games even at 1440p imo. I just couldn't believe how much more detail I saw in Jedi Fallen Order at native 4K vs. 1440p, its the exact same with Horizon 2 its hard to appreciate the finer details in the performance mode.
I'd be fine with 1080p-1440p for games like Psychonauts 2 to get 60hz or even 120hz but high frequency detail demands higher res imo, otherwise might as well have the fidelity of the last gen since you can't see it through a lower res frame.
The exception for the above being lighting advances or other things that can still be resolved at lower 1080p.
REDRZA MWS
Member
These console are actually being held back by cross gen. Zen2, RDNA2, more RAM, SSD. No reason for 1080p IMHO. Also, for gamers who still game on 1080p displays downsampling looks GREAT.
Skull-Knight
Member
Yes I'm ok with it.
hope soon xsx/s and ps5 support 1080p-1440p 60fps with rtx
hope soon xsx/s and ps5 support 1080p-1440p 60fps with rtx
Die Namek Ability
Member
I think 1440p is the butter zone with reconstruction if there is room after locked 60
dottme
Member
We don't have this choice in the poll, but that would be my choice.
i don't need the DF foundry number to look great so I can go warring easily. I need the game to look great.
DonJorginho
Banned
64gigabyteram
Reverse groomer.
if my eyes bleed, that's how i know it's lower than 60fps.
64gigabyteram
Reverse groomer.
here's the difference: video games take way more power to render and are far more interactive than a fucking nature documentary. if i had the option of watching video in 4k.... i'd watch it in 4k because at the end of the day it's video. it doesnt require much processing power
now video GAMES are a different beast since 4k takes a shitton of time to render & sips your FPS like a fat kid given a bottle of coke. FPS in games are important because GAMES ARE INTERACTIVE. I know the last of us and uncharted have gaslit you to believe they're movies with extra steps, but they're video GAMES. you gotta play them. playing them feels like shit at 30fps cuz there's less time to react and the image looks choppier
itsjustJEFF
Member
The thing that sucks is that they only have to do it once, just once... for them to be able to say "see, we delivered"
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