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[Biff Hardbody]

Finally Ali gets his own highlight and its really well done. Next they need to make a Marciano one (Him and Ali are my favorites). In my mind, Ali was the best heavyweight boxer ever. Just based on his natural athletecism which still may be unequaled in this or any sport, his incredible will power and tenacity, and the quality of opposition he defeated. What more can I say? The man was a God.

I uploaded via yousendit, so the number of dls are limited.

http://s23.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0A8QRZDOI8RQ129BD9MH0CLICM

 

[bionic77]

Finally Ali gets his own highlight and its really well done. Next they need to make a Marciano one (Him and Ali are my favorites). In my mind, Ali was the best heavyweight boxer ever. Just based on his natural athletecism which still may be unequaled in this or any sport, his incredible will power and tenacity, and the quality of opposition he defeated. What more can I say? The man was a God.

I uploaded via yousendit, so the number of dls are limited.

http://s23.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0A8QRZDOI8RQ129BD9MH0CLICM

Good highlight, the young ones here don't seem to understand how great Ali was (they even compare Jordan to him, blasphemy!). There is even some more impressive footage of him, mainly from his younger years. I have mainly seen most of it from clips of him on tv, most shows focus on his life though and not his career. His foot speed was ridiculous and the amount of combos he could throw was crazy too. Also just makes you realize how garbage the current crop of fighters is these days. He wasn't just a skilled fighter either, the man could take some ridiculous punches and stay on his feet. That shot from Frazier has got to be in the top 10 of all time, I mean it looks like something from a Rocky movie.

One thing that was so different about Ali from most athletes and celebrities was how accessible he was. One of his training camps was in Pennsylvania right near where I grew up and it is amazing how many people met him and talking to him even in a small town like that. Hell, even I "met" him (he picked me up as a baby when my parents visited the camp). Most people when they get famous would never do that, just another example of why he was the greatest inside and outside of the ring.

 

[Biff Hardbody]

Good points. I've heard a few stories myself of how accesible Ali was to everyday people. He really was the peoples champion.

I agree about the Frazier shot. Offhand, its hard for me to think of a more devastating looking single punch aside from Marciano's right on Walcott. I know there have been many devastating punches in all of boxing, but that Frazier one on Ali is something else, boy. I think its important that we remember how tough Ali was, and his getting up from that punch illustrates that characteristic of his skill as good as any moment in his career imo.

 

[MrPing1000]

gone already :/

 

[rastex]

That was incredible. Some of those combos are mindblowing, and that jab. The combination of power and speed, I've never seen anything like that.

 

[EviLore]

I think the Tyson one on mmatracker (~100mb) is better produced, but this one's pretty cool.

Ali was definitely something special. Almost seems inhumanly precise with the way he carves out those shots.

 

[Shadax]

His flinching is amazing. He could make guys put their gloves up with just a twitch of a pectoral muscle or a blink of an eye. Unbelievable. Great video. Anyone know what the background music was?

 

[sprsk]

i wanna seeee

 

[Ninja Scooter]

not to go OT, but that Ken Burns Jack Johnson documentary is airing on PBS now. The 2nd half is tonight at 9pm. Its really good so far IMO.

 

[karasu]

I'm not a huge fan, but he was a great fighter. I don't think he's the god of boxing or anything though.

 

[yoshifumi]

gone

 

[DaCocoBrova]

Re-up that sh!t!

I'm not a huge fan, but he was a great fighter. I don't think he's the god of boxing or anything though.

:lol Remind me to disregard anything you have to say about boxing...

If he's not, then who is?

 

[karasu]

Re-up that sh!t!




:lol Remind me to disregard anything you have to say about boxing...

If he's not, then who is?

Nobody.

edit: To be clear, Ali was a great fighter, but there were dozens of great fighters. Some with better records and far longer careers than Ali. Some who don' stand out as much because they aren't as current, weren't as verbose, and aren't suffering from a debilitating disease. Ali has a huge cult of personality that can't be denied. His esteem isn't based onhis fighting skills alone. The idea that there is one fighter greater than all of the others is silly to me. For example, am I suppossed to believe that Ali is "better" than Frazier just because he reached two victories before frasier did? Or that Holmes was better than Ali since he beat him? Get real. It's best to take fights for what they are instead of making them out to be grand statements on superiority.

 

[bionic77]

Nobody.

edit: To be clear, Ali was a great fighter, but there were dozens of great fighters. Some with better records and far longer careers than Ali. Some who don' stand out as much because they aren't as current, weren't as verbose, and aren't suffering from a debilitating disease. Ali has a huge cult of personality that can't be denied. His esteem isn't based onhis fighting skills alone. The idea that there is one fighter greater than all of the others is silly to me. For example, am I suppossed to believe that Ali is "better" than Frazier just because he reached two victories before frasier did? Or that Holmes was better than Ali since he beat him? Get real. It's best to take fights for what they are instead of making them out to be grand statements on superiority.

He made boxing bigger then it ever was before him. He would have dominated for at least 8 years if the US government didn't prevent him from doing so. I agree that it is too hard to say he is the greatest fighter ever, but it is not too farfetched at all to say he is the greatest heavyweight ever. It wasn't just his personality that got him this reputation, he got the better of Liston, Foreman, and Frazier. Any one of those is enough to make you a legend, but all three makes you 'the greatest'.

 

[bionic77]

Good points. I've heard a few stories myself of how accesible Ali was to everyday people. He really was the peoples champion.

I agree about the Frazier shot. Offhand, its hard for me to think of a more devastating looking single punch aside from Marciano's right on Walcott. I know there have been many devastating punches in all of boxing, but that Frazier one on Ali is something else, boy. I think its important that we remember how tough Ali was, and his getting up from that punch illustrates that characteristic of his skill as good as any moment in his career imo.

It is hard to believe that Frazier actually landed that punch. I mean it literally looks like the super punch from SuperPunchout. He not only landed that punch, but it was landed perfectly and Ali was never an easy guy to hit, to time and land that punch is extraordinary. Foreman probably landed harder punches in his prime, but none as spectacular as that punch by Smokin Joe. You should see Ali's face after that fight, it is really puffed up (I think that punch might have broken his jaw, but I am not sure about that).

 

[Apharmd Battler]

He made boxing bigger then it ever was before him. He would have dominated for at least 8 years if the US government didn't prevent him from doing so. I agree that it is too hard to say he is the greatest fighter ever, but it is not too farfetched at all to say he is the greatest heavyweight ever. It wasn't just his personality that got him this reputation, he got the better of Liston, Foreman, and Frazier. Any one of those is enough to make you a legend, but all three makes you 'the greatest'.

Agreed, Ali is the greatest. My personal role model his career and character are personal inspirations. The man had awesome technique, and is a legend. Is the file that sparked this thread still available? Taking a quick break at work and want to be sure it'll be there when I get home tonight.

 

[Biff Hardbody]

Nobody.

edit: To be clear, Ali was a great fighter, but there were dozens of great fighters. Some with better records and far longer careers than Ali. Some who don' stand out as much because they aren't as current, weren't as verbose, and aren't suffering from a debilitating disease. Ali has a huge cult of personality that can't be denied. His esteem isn't based onhis fighting skills alone. The idea that there is one fighter greater than all of the others is silly to me. For example, am I suppossed to believe that Ali is "better" than Frazier just because he reached two victories before frasier did? Or that Holmes was better than Ali since he beat him? Get real. It's best to take fights for what they are instead of making them out to be grand statements on superiority.

What heavyweight would you say had a better record and career then Ali?

I'm as big a Frazier as almost anyone, but I can easily say Ali was the better fighter. He beat Frazier twice, and defeated Foreman who brutally destroyed Frazier twice. He had better reigns as the title holder then Frazier. So yeah, Ali is the better fighter.

As far as Holmes beating Ali, you should know that was Ali when he was already showing signs of parkinsons. I'm really not sure how great Holmes is. Some people rank him and say he's top 3, while he doesn't make others top ten. The man really knew his jab though, and he seems like a great technician in all things boxing. That coupled with his 20 defenses make him an all time great for sure. I don't think he was greater then Ali though.

I see where your going with your argument, but I don't agree with it. Ali's greatness was in his versatility to be able to beat a variety of fighters who were kings in their own right. He was around since the early 60's, rose to be the top dog in the 70's which was past him prime and probably the most talent laden era heavyweight boxing has seen. He had an amazing reign, in length, dominance, and quality. I don't rank him #1 heavyweight champion of all time because of the hype, but because of the mans accomplishemnts which to me are unparalleled.

I can see a few fighters beating Ali in his prime (Marciano, Louis, Frazier, perhaps Dempsey). But, I can't think of anyone aside from Louis who would be the favorite against him, and even that is debatable.

It is hard to believe that Frazier actually landed that punch. I mean it literally looks like the super punch from SuperPunchout. He not only landed that punch, but it was landed perfectly and Ali was never an easy guy to hit, to time and land that punch is extraordinary. Foreman probably landed harder punches in his prime, but none as spectacular as that punch by Smokin Joe. You should see Ali's face after that fight, it is really puffed up (I think that punch might have broken his jaw, but I am not sure about that).

Yeah, I agree. It swelled immediately too. I don't think he broke his jaw. Its incredible Joe still had that power in the 15th. For sure, Ali did break his jaw in the 1st Norton fight.

 

[karasu]

He made boxing bigger then it ever was before him. He would have dominated for at least 8 years if the US government didn't prevent him from doing so. I agree that it is too hard to say he is the greatest fighter ever, but it is not too farfetched at all to say he is the greatest heavyweight ever. It wasn't just his personality that got him this reputation, he got the better of Liston, Foreman, and Frazier. Any one of those is enough to make you a legend, but all three makes you 'the greatest'.

See, you're talking fame, and his fame has as much to do with what went on inside the ring, as it did with what went on outside. (trash talking, political such and such). That's pretty much a nonissue to me. Too oten people talk as if he towered over everybody in the heavyweight division fighting wise, and it just isn;'t true. He was a smart and flashy guy no doubt, and a great fighter to boot. To me, no more than that needs to be said.

 

[KiNeSiS]

Finally Ali gets his own highlight and its really well done. Next they need to make a Marciano one (Him and Ali are my favorites). In my mind, Ali was the best heavyweight boxer ever. Just based on his natural athletecism which still may be unequaled in this or any sport, his incredible will power and tenacity, and the quality of opposition he defeated. What more can I say? The man was a God.

I uploaded via yousendit, so the number of dls are limited.

http://s23.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0A8QRZDOI8RQ129BD9MH0CLICM

Can someone re-up this dl.
Better yet there are mentions of a tyson one as well.
There must be a site to get these from direct?

 

[karasu]

What heavyweight would you say had a better record and career then Ali?

I'm as big a Frazier as almost anyone, but I can easily say Ali was the better fighter. He beat Frazier twice, and defeated Foreman who brutally destroyed Frazier twice. He had better reigns as the title holder then Frazier. So yeah, Ali is the better fighter.

As far as Holmes beating Ali, you should know that was Ali when he was already showing signs of parkinsons. I'm really not sure how great Holmes is. Some people rank him and say he's top 3, while he doesn't make others top ten. The man really knew his jab though, and he seems like a great technician in all things boxing. That coupled with his 20 defenses make him an all time great for sure. I don't think he was greater then Ali though.
.

Joe Louis, larry Holmes, Jack Dempsey, Sugar Ray Robinson (though not a heavyweight). which isn't to say that they're better fighters, but its my belief that their accomplishments are overlooked because they weren't humongous personalities. And I don't agree with the imaginary practice of pitting X fighter from this generation, versus Y fighter of that generation, etc etc.

I mean yeah, Ali beat Frazier twice. But he didn't beat Frazier and walk away. He beat Frazier and nearly died.

Edit: Plus , yeah Foreman beat Frazier twice, but at the same time Ali is lucky there was no rematch with Foreman. The same tactic wouldn't have worked twice. :lol

 

[Biff Hardbody]

Joe Louis, larry Holmes, Jack Dempsey, Sugar Ray Robinson (though not a heavyweight). which isn't to say that they're better fighters, but its my belief that their accomplishments are overlooked because they weren't humongous personalities. And I don't agree with the imaginary practice of pitting X fighter from this generation, versus Y fighter of that generation, etc etc.

I mean yeah, Ali beat Frazier twice. But he didn't beat Frazier and walk away. He beat Frazier and nearly died.

Louis had a record 25 title defenses and is an icon of boxing. His quality of oposition does not compare to Ali's though. Galento compared to Foreman? Baer to Frazier? Paycheck to Liston? Come on now.

Dempsey's title reign basically pales compared to Ali's. He went stretches without defending, and his manager (not Dempsey) did not allow him to fight all challengers.

Holmes had 20 defenses, but again compare them to Ali's quality of oposition and his ability to come back from a loss to regain the championship.

I don't compare him to Robinson since Robinson was a couple weight classes down.

Now, I give all those heavies you mentioned (and a few more) a chance against a prime Ali. However, I do not agree their careers surpassed Ali's. His 3X Championship reign coupled with its length and the quality of oposition he faced put him a class of his own.

About Frazier. It goes both ways. Frazier spent two weeks in the hospital after his victory, while Ali checked out that night. Fact remains Ali beat Frazier 2 out of 3 times and defeated the man who ccrushed Frazier.

 

[bionic77]

Joe Louis, larry Holmes, Jack Dempsey, Sugar Ray Robinson (though not a heavyweight). which isn't to say that they're better fighters, but its my belief that their accomplishments are overlooked because they weren't humongous personalities. And I don't agree with the imaginary practice of pitting X fighter from this generation, versus Y fighter of that generation, etc etc.

I mean yeah, Ali beat Frazier twice. But he didn't beat Frazier and walk away. He beat Frazier and nearly died.

You can't just look at things in a vacuum, you have to look at the entire picture. You act like Ali was always beloved, he was one of the most hated men in America during his prime. Even the people that hated him (and there were a lot of them) eventually had to acknowledge how great he ws. Also, he was robbed of the best years of his career so that definitely has to be taken into consideration. I don't see how you don't figure that into your considerations. I have no problem with you putting some of those guys above Ali, because they are all great fighters in their own right, but you can't just dismiss Ali and act like he was just a "good" fighter. I mean if freakin Ali doesn't impress you I don't think anyone could.

To me it seems you just genuinely don't like the man Ali and whatever, you are entitled to your opinion, but you are insane in how you assess him as a fighter.

 

[karasu]

Louis had a record 25 title defenses and is an icon of boxing. His quality of oposition in no way compares to Ali's though. Galento compared to Foreman? Come on now.

Dempsey's title reign basically pales compared to Ali's. He went stretches without defending, and his manager (not Dempsey) did not allow him to fight all challengers.

Holmes had 20 defenses, but again compare them to Ali's quality of oposition and his ability to come back from a loss to regain the championship.

I don't compare him to Robinson since Robinson was a couple weight classes down.

Now, I give all those heavies you mentioned (and a few more) a chance against a prime Ali. However, I do not agree their careers surpassed Ali's. His 3X Championship reign coupled with its length and the quality of oposition he faced put him a class of his own.

About Frazier. It goes both ways. Frazier spent two weeks in the hospital after his victory, while Ali checked out that night. Fact remains Ali beat Frazier 2 out of 3 times and defeated the man who ccrushed Frazier.

Ali had his fair share of filler fights. And in the third Frazier fight he said that if Joe wouldn't have given up, he would have, and went on to say that it wass the closest he ever felt to dying. So yeah, he beat frazier twice, but those four words don't express what truly went on in those fights. "Dominance" is far too strong of a word to use.

 

[karasu]

You can't just look at things in a vacuum, you have to look at the entire picture. You act like Ali was always beloved, he was one of the most hated men in America during his prime. Even the people that hated him (and there were a lot of them) eventually had to acknowledge how great he ws. Also, he was robbed of the best years of his career so that definitely has to be taken into consideration. I don't see how you don't figure that into your considerations. I have no problem with you putting some of those guys above Ali, because they are all great fighters in their own right, but you can't just dismiss Ali and act like he was just a "good" fighter. I mean if freakin Ali doesn't impress you I don't think anyone could.

To me it seems you just genuinely don't like the man Ali and whatever, you are entitled to your opinion, but you are insane in how you assess him as a fighter.

Wait, I never aid anything against Ali. Other than I don't believe there is a greatest fighter of all time. :/ I know he was insanely skilled. I haven't even assessed him as a fighter, blwo for blow attribute for attribute. All i'm saying is that he wasn't in a league of his own, far removed from the rest of the boxing history. I admire Ali and anyone else I listed pretty much equally, but for a variety of reasons.When i say i'm not a huge fan of Ali, I mean I'm not one of those who buys into this "greatest" stuff.

 

[Biff Hardbody]

Ali had his fair share of filler fights. And in the third Frazier fight he said that if Joe wouldn't have given up, he would have, and went on to say that it wass the closest he ever felt to dying. So yeah, he beat frazier twice, but those four words don't express what truly went on in those fights. "Dominance" is far too strong of a word to use.

Every boxing champ has his fair share of filler fights. You aren't addressing the point though.

Your also not addressing the outcome of Ali's fights with Frazier. For someone who doesn't like fantasy matchups, its strange you aren't addressing the cold, hard facts. I love Joe, and actually cheer for him when I watch his fights against Ali. He lost 2 out of 3 though.

Ali was the "dominant" heavyweight boxer of the 60's and 70's. It's clear as day for anyone who isn't biased.

 

[Iceman]

I keep reading the thread title as "One of the best hillbillies you'll ever see, Muhammad Ali"

 

[karasu]

Every fighter has fair share of filler fights. You aren't addressing the point though.

Your also not addressing the outcome of Ali's fights with Frazier. For someone who doesn't like fantasy matchups, its strange you aren't addressing the cold, hard facts. I love Joe, and actually cheer for him when I watch his fights against Ali. He lost 2 out of 3 though.

Ali was the "dominant" heavyweight boxer of the 60's and 70's. It's clear as day for anyone who isn't biased.

Now I don't understand where all of this is coming from. Biased to what? Where did I say Ali was no good? Where did I say frazier was better than Ali? Where did I say that Joe Louis was better than Ali? I never took issue with the fact that Ali beat Frazier twice, but the fights weren't that simple,and Ali said so himself. If that's not a fact, I don't know what is. All i said was that I don't believe he's the god of boxing. So yeah, in the third fight Frazier corners threw in the towel, but it's also true that Ali fainted in his corner a fe moments after it all ended. The fight and it's outcome wasn't as simple as Superman Ali versus little man Frazier. No fighters career should be summed up as 'he was the best, bottomline' it's a disservice to him and his opponents, and it's more an emotional response than one based on what actually went on in the ring. So sure, the records rightfully say that Ali won over Frazier, but what hapened in the ring says that they pretty much kicked the shit out of each other.

 

[Kabuki Waq]

Biff ol buddy can you uplaod that again?

i missed it the first tiem around.

 

[NLB2]

Here's Ali fighting Inoki in a sort of mixed martial arts fight.
http://s6.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1Z7UHP2LVY96J3C5K0EPCPNF6T
This is worked though, I think.

I wasn't able to download the highlight. Can someone upload again, please?

 

[karasu]

fixed

 

[Biff Hardbody]

Now I don't understand where all of this is coming from. Biased to what? Where did I say Ali was no good? Where did I say frazier was better than Ali? Where did I say that Joe Louis was better than Ali? I never took issue with the fact that Ali beat Frazier twice, but the fights weren't that simple,and Ali said so himself. If that's not a fact, I don't know what is. All i said was that I don't believe he's the god of boxing. So yeah, in the third fight Frazier corners threw in the towel, but it's also true that Ali fainted in his corner a fe moments after it all ended. The fight and it's outcome wasn't as simple as Superman Ali versus little man Frazier. No fighters career should be summed up as 'he was the best, bottomline' it's a disservice to him and his opponents, and it's more an emotional response than one based on what actually went on in the ring. So sure, the records rightfully say that Ali won over Frazier, but what hapened in the ring says that they pretty much kicked the shit out of each other.

The impression I was getting from your posts is that you thought Ali wasn't as good as people make him out to be. I've been trying to ask you why. I actually agree with you that hype gets in the way of seeing things clearly about the man. However, when you look past it you see one of the toughest motherfuckers who ever stepped in the ring and a man who consistently rose to the challenge. I try and look at boxing as objectively as possible, and I see it clear as day. Ali is the greatest champion boxing has had.

I asked you who you thought had better careers. You gavce me some names, I told you the reasons why I did not agree with that. instead of responding much about that, you've been going on about Frazier and Ali. Now, I agree they had a demolition derby with one another. Ali won the trilogy though, and you don't get much more final then that. I'm not sure what your trying to establish with your points about Frazier doing daamge to Ali. Anyone who's seen the fights knows they killed eachother. However, when talking about dominance and ranking you go by who's won.

But, if your going to say one shouldn't rank these fighters over one another I don't agree with that at all. If that's the case lets throw away the belts and top ten rankings. Lets forget about the whole concept of being a champion. Come on, this is simple stuff.

Kabuki, I'll rehost it for you and the guys who are looking for it. Give me a little bit.

 

[karasu]

I asked you who you thought had better careers. You gavce me some names, I told you the reasons why I did not agree with that. instead of responding much about that, you've been going on about Frazier and Ali. Now, I agree they had a demolition derby with one another. Ali won the trilogy though, and you don't get much more final then that. I'm not sure what your trying to establish with your points about Frazier doing daamge to Ali. Anyone who's seen the fights knows they killed eachother. However, when talking about dominance and ranking you go by who's won.

What was there to comment on? I listed people with better records(not to say that they were better than Ali, but to show that there were plenty of great fighters with worthy accomplishments) and you feel that their opposition wasn't up to the level of Ali's. For me to argue that we'd have to go through each fighter pitting strength versus strength and weakness vs weakness in a bunch of imagined scenarios where the winner is determined only by our own particular bias. I don't do crap like that, it's pointless. Fights aren't determined by some spectators' imagination so why even assume to know if Joe louis' toughest opponent would beat Ali's?.

But, if your going to say one shouldn't rank these fighters over one another I don't agree with that at all. If that's the case lets throw away the belts and top ten rankings. Lets forget about the whole concept of being a champion. Come on, this is simple stuff.

If fighters actually fight one another, I'm all for championships and fighgting for a particular ranking (though obviously those rankings aren't anywhere near absolute). if two fighters never fought, than they never fought, and there was no victor and no loser. So it's pointless kiddy crap. Something done to sell magazines or past time. It has no relevance. It's barely any different than "Jet li versus Jackie Chan!" The way I see it, it's either settled in the ring, or it isn't settled at all.

 

[Boogie]

Here's Ali fighting Inoki in a sort of mixed martial arts fight.
http://s6.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1Z7UHP2LVY96J3C5K0EPCPNF6T
This is worked though, I think.

I wasn't able to download the highlight. Can someone upload again, please?

And so we have the earliest documented case of butt-scooting :lol

Although I believe the fight was supposed to be fixed, or just had really bizarre rules.

 

[Agent Icebeezy]

I couldn't wait to get home to see this, but the link is dead, but you said that you'll reup, cool.

 

[Tenacious-V]

Someones gotta host or mirror that first one......I missed it!

 

[Ristamar]

And so we have the earliest documented case of butt-scooting :lol

Although I believe the fight was supposed to be fixed, or just had really bizarre rules.

I don't see how a fixed match could be that bland. Then again, the WWE is often pretty damn boring, too.

 

[karasu]

And so we have the earliest documented case of butt-scooting :lol

Although I believe the fight was supposed to be fixed, or just had really bizarre rules.

It was fixed, and then Ali changed his mind and didn't want to lose, and him and Inoki could never agree on a resolution to the fight, so what you end up with is 15 rounds of butt scooting.

 

[Biff Hardbody]

What was there to comment on? I listed people with better records(not to say that they were better than Ali, but to show that there were plenty of great fighters with worthy accomplishments) and you feel that their opposition wasn't up to the level of Ali's. For me to argue that we'd have to go through each fighter pitting strength versus strength and weakness vs weakness in a bunch of imagined scenarios where the winner is determined only by our own particular bias. I don't do crap like that, it's pointless. Fights aren't determined by some spectators' imagination so why even assume to know if Joe louis' toughest opponent would beat Ali's?.




If fighters actually fight one another, I'm all for championships and fighgting for a particular ranking (though obviously those rankings aren't anywhere near absolute). if two fighters never fought, than they never fought, and there was no victor and no loser. So it's pointless kiddy crap. Something done to sell magazines or past time. It has no relevance. It's barely any different than "Jet li versus Jackie Chan!" The way I see it, it's either settled in the ring, or it isn't settled at all.

I could take your message about not comparing fighters from different era's seriously if you weren't trying to argue before that I shouldn't rank Ali over Frazier even though they actually fought and Ali beat him twice. Your now choosing what to argue and what not to instead of all the points at hand. OK, then its not really worth it for me to post my points to you then at all, is it?

Boogie, the Ali/Inoki fight was terrible. Ali did all this reidculous type shit of having mock exhibitions later in his carer against wrestlers. He was crazy that way, he'd often box exhibitions with just about anyone and that got him really hurt in some cases when he simply wasn't prepared. With Inoki, the fight was supposed to be a work until Ali decided he couldn't go through with it and told Inoki that he was going to knock him out. Inoki was said to be terrified of Ali and fought like that throughout the fight.

The ref for that fight was Lebell, who probably could have taken either guy via MMA rules.

 

[karasu]

I could take your message about not comparing fighters from different era's seriously if you weren't trying to argue before that I shouldn't rank Ali over Frazier even though they actually fought and Ali beat him twice. Your now choosing what to argue and what not to instead of all the points at hand. OK, then its not really worth it for me to post my points to you then at all, is it?

You're mistaken. I said I wouldnt consider Ali better just because he was the first to 2 points.

 

[Biff Hardbody]

You're mistaken. I said I wouldnt consider Ali better just because he was the first to 2 points.

I remembered what you wrote, but I was using your logic as an example to express why I shouldn't bother addressing your last post. BTW, "First to 2 points"? They were victories. If we are being anal about wording, that's another thing that makes me think you are biased against Ali.

 

[RobotChant]

My UL sucks but here you go.
http://s6.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=35IV8MKQO9AHI087W7MH1L9NMN

 

[Teza]

My UL sucks but here you go.
http://s6.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=35IV8MKQO9AHI087W7MH1L9NMN

Thanks. I'm getting 17 kb/sec. Better than nothing.

 

[Blackie]

My UL sucks but here you go.
http://s6.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=35IV8MKQO9AHI087W7MH1L9NMN

Thanks a bundle!

 

[karasu]

I remembered what you wrote, but I was using your logic as an example to express why I shouldn't bother addressing your last post. BTW, "First to 2 points"? They were victories. If we are being anal about wording, that's another thing that makes me think you are biased against Ali.

Dude, this is frustrating. You keep saying Im biased against Ali because either you have way too much emotion invested into him, or you simply can't see that what I'm saying is how I vew ALL FIGHTERS. I didn't say that Ali wasn't the God of boxing, but Marciano was. When asked who I thought the God of boxing/best ever/greatest of all time was I said nobody, and I meant it. I don't believe in such a thing. It's like, I don't think Sakuraba is a better fighter than Royce gracie just because he beat him.

and what's wrong with 'first to two points'? That's the point of having three fights, because whoever wins two out of three is suppossedly proven to be the best , but that logic is absurd in my opinion.Clearly Ali has two victories over Frazier, and he at least got the best of Frazier once, but I think that saying he's simply better oversimplifies the situation. He got the best of Frazier for sure, but 'better' implies superior or above, or beyond, and I just can't agree with that. I don't think he was beyond Frazier, i think they were pretty evenly matched, Ali came out on top but clearly they were fights that could have went either way, and the third bout was stopped by Fraziers corner but soon after Ali passed out in his corner. Those two are almost like Yin and yang in my opinion. "Better" is overused in the fight game. All of this legendary godlike BS is.

 

[Biff Hardbody]

I'm not frustrated, Karasu. I'm sorry you got that way though. Better luck next time.

Since someone reupped the video(thanks for that) I won't resupply it unless asked.

 

[karasu]

I'm not frustrated, Karasu. I'm sorry you got that way though. Better luck next time.

Since someone reupped the video(thanks for that) I won't resupply it unless asked.

lol jesus christ. I'm sorry I don't consider Ali the best fighter of all time buddy.

 

[NLB2]

I don't think Sakuraba is a better fighter than Royce gracie just because he beat him.

Huh? But Sakuraba is the better fighter than Royce.

And thanks for the highlight. That was really good.

 

[DJ Sl4m]

What can I say ? Hmm, he was really good for His Time.