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One Piece Manga |OT| ZEHAHAHAHA! The Name of this Age is Blackbeard!
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MetroidPrimeRib
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Kizaru has like no motivation for anything in one piece it seems, I mean not even a hint. Just looks like he's doing whatever marines say and that's that.
Sequence Six
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I don't think Akainu is ever going to be necessarily redeemed but I think there are going to be understandable reasons for what he's done. Even at Marineford I liked how he manipulated his enemies to expose weaknesses and gain ground. If he were a pirate doing that to the WG I'd be worried about his methods but happy that a character like him existed. It was his threatening of Coby, and really only that, that makes me hope he gets an ignominious end to his story.
I love Kizaru. Odds are he probably used to care but dude just seems like he's happy dressing like it's the 70's and sleepwalking his way through assignments.
I love Kizaru. Odds are he probably used to care but dude just seems like he's happy dressing like it's the 70's and sleepwalking his way through assignments.
Akainu has been in a couple of serious fights for a while and the emotions got the better of him during the War... Quite human, doesn't necessary make him a monster considering the Pirates he was fighting also have killed who knows how many people.
Coby was a Fodder during the War of course his focus was something different where as Akainu knew if he could take out Ace and Luffy this would be a big win for the Marines.
Coby was a Fodder during the War of course his focus was something different where as Akainu knew if he could take out Ace and Luffy this would be a big win for the Marines.
Sequence Six
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Oh, I forgot Akainu killed a dude for wanting to save a soldier's life. I'd call that a strike against him. I still like the subterfuge stuff though.
Sacrifices for the the greater good... It happens.
xD
Akainu does what needs to be done....without him WB Pirates probably would have pulled of saving Ace and escaping Marineford with him. He was the only one ready to get his hands dirty.
Sequence Six
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These are things I like about him as a character and I think it makes him much more effective as an antagonist. Killing your own men still goes over the line for me even given the circumstances.
If--IF--he fully buys into what the WG is selling about the Oharans and the need to keep the lost century hidden then I get why he did it. It's still monstrous but it's understandable.
LonelyGreyWolf
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I tend to not bring up philosophical standpoints on video game forums, but Akainu's behaviour can certainly be analyzed and perceived in many ways. A monster to many, no doubt, but killing potential innocents just to be sure the majority of population won't be hurt in the future could be a necessary evil.
I brought this up once before in this thread and got chased with pitchforks so I'll leave it at that, lol.
I brought this up once before in this thread and got chased with pitchforks so I'll leave it at that, lol.
igordennis
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Akainu is such an asshole
But i agree with the previous post. His actions are interesting when analyzed with a more open mind.
But i agree with the previous post. His actions are interesting when analyzed with a more open mind.
That's a pretty long read. Interesting however.
pelicansurf
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I agree with this 100%.
Last time you said he wasn't an asshole, which does go into the philosophical views on life.
Cloud Strife
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MetroidPrimeRib
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Mihawk is a True Neutral. Strawhats pick fights with the WG all the time. I'd put Hody Jones in Chaotic Evil, we don't know a whole lot about Teach.
Imperial Bishop
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Luffy is more of a Neutral Good or Chaotic Good character.
I don't know why Dragon is in Chaotic Neutral. He's still a mystery.
I don't know why Dragon is in Chaotic Neutral. He's still a mystery.
Pegosaurus
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shit i completely forgot about the lost century. I wonder when we'll learn more about it. Maybe the crew will stumble across some poneglyphs in the new world. Robin might have taught some revolutionaries how to read them too.
Also do you guys think Robin knows Sabo? She spent 2 years with the Revolutionaries right?
I'd probably say Luffy is chaotic good. In this past arc he was mad as shit at Doflamingo for treating the people of Dressarosa like he did, and said it pissed him off, so he seems to have some sort of moral compass pointing towards good.
I'd actually peg Dragon as chaotic good too. He is the leader of an army fighting against the corruption of the world government after all.
Pegosaurus
Banned
oh shit when did this happen haha
It's right before God Usopp is born. After Sabo destroys the Coliseum, I wanna say.
Definitely. His DF power speaks to his true category. We know from his backstory that he was essentially born evil. I still wonder at BB due to that drawing of him as a kid, crying alone. His story is still a mystery, but honestly he's always been way more neutral than Doffy in this story, who in comparison is Hitler. Honestly, compare both character's appearances in Mock Town.
MetroidPrimeRib
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That's part of the reason why I love Robin. She knows way more then the rest of the crew but pretty much never talks. Can't wait for them to start talking about Dragon and her go "Oh Dragon? Yeah I was in his inner circle for 2 years lol"
Also Robin knew Sabo was alive and didn't tell Luffy! It's not like Dragon and Sabo wouldn't know who was in Luffy's crew!
Oh yeah, one of my biggest complaints about Fishman Island is that we never saw the crew talk to each other about what they were doing for 2 years. Nobody was curious about how Franky turned into a giant? Or how Usopp buffed up? Or how Zoro lost that eye? I mean I guess Oda wanted to save stuff like that for huge reveals either but it's super stupid to me.
Also Robin knew Sabo was alive and didn't tell Luffy! It's not like Dragon and Sabo wouldn't know who was in Luffy's crew!
Oh yeah, one of my biggest complaints about Fishman Island is that we never saw the crew talk to each other about what they were doing for 2 years. Nobody was curious about how Franky turned into a giant? Or how Usopp buffed up? Or how Zoro lost that eye? I mean I guess Oda wanted to save stuff like that for huge reveals either but it's super stupid to me.
Pegosaurus
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welp. guess that answers my question haha. I might have to go back and reread the dressarosa arc all at once to remember things like this.
Idk, I don't think the crew really cares about stuff like that. They were more than happy that everyone was alive and could see each other again. The audience pretty much knows what happened (Franky doing experiments on himself, Usopp training with that bug guy, Zoro training with those monkey things.) Maybe there's more to it under the surface, but it was probably just to change up their designs to make the time skip really sink in.
Also, did Robin know that Sabo is Luffy's brother? Unless he told her I don't think there's no way she could know that. Maybe he wanted to surprise Luffy himself. There's probably a reason why he didn't reveal to Luffy that he was alive earlier.
They probably started to.... and then lola appeared.
MetroidPrimeRib
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Sabo probably told Robin not to tell him. Or something. I probably wont be able to buy that Robin didn't even know Sabo was Luffy's bro.
He also killed all the refugees from Ohara just to ensure that no scholar stowaways, if they existed, would survive.
Remember, it was the scholars of Ohara that were the "problem." Akainu settled for killing everyone to ensure he got the scholars.
Imperial Bishop
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Even though he's a bastard, Doffy still counts as a Type 2/3 Neutral Evil.
His endgame was personal. Getting revenge on the Celestial Dragons and destroying everything they rule over.
Sir Ilpalazzo
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I think there's zero doubt that Akainu has the best of intentions and absolutely believes he's doing what he's doing to make a better world for most ordinary citizens, but that doesn't keep him from being a terrible person. Plus we know that the elder stars' reason for wanting to suppress knowledge about the blank century is outright nonsense (they aren't so concerned with preventing the creation of the ancient weapons that they'd forbid even supervised research based on what Spandam was doing) - so if Akainu knows that he's a monster, and if he doesn't know he's an idiot (which still makes him a monster for killing innocent people while working off incomplete information).
He's at least a better person than his superiors or common pirates, at least.
He's at least a better person than his superiors or common pirates, at least.
NHarmonic.
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Agreed. I really hope it's not the case.
More Fun To Compute
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Probably the only two of those I agree with are vivi and coby then it starts going way off the rails. Garp and Luffy are not good? Whitebeard is chaotic but Doffy isn't? Huh.
igordennis
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I always thought this was pretty accurate:
Pretty cool and reasonably accurate image.
Imperial Bishop
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The combination of the complete lack of evidence to support it plus most people treating it as fact for some reason.
D&D alignment is flawed, that's why. Dolfy is all sorts of things, he uses and abuses the law to gain and is clearly evil. But Dragon as Chaotic Neutral? CN is the insane outlook more or less. Buggy is closest to it. Dragon is closest to chaotic good from the very little we know about him. Almost all of what we'd consider the good pirates are also CG.
Luffy is somewhere between being a pirate and a hero; Garp is always between being a Marine and grandfather. I think it makes sense.
Flamingo operates on a different level than Blackbeard; BB is pretty brash and always ready to disrupt things. Flamingo dances between all groups and really belongs to none of them; he's neither doing hardcore-justice shit like Akainu or hardcore-chaos shit like BB does.
Aaronrules380
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Luffy is clearly chaotic good. He's nowhere near neutral on either part of the scale
More Fun To Compute
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Being an outlaw and a hero is the basic guide description for being a chaotic good character. Being part of the law with "good" intentions is the basic description for a lawful good character. I don't really see why people need 10000 word long tvtropes articles when the basic guides for playing these characters were clear enough and they only break down when you take them too seriously.
Doffy's goal is to destroy the current order of the world and replace it with a survival of the strongest style anarchy. That is about as hardcore as chaos shit gets. Blackbeard creates chaos when it advances his goals but all we really know about him is that he wants to be strong enough to be the one who finds One Piece and start the new era.
Cloud Strife
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My two cents:
"Good" is relative in the OP Universe. Luffy is a pirate, and although we know he's a great guy, liberating, saving, and beating baddies, he's still a "pirate" in a world where pirates aren't good guys. Luffy himself has constantly stated he doesn't want to be a hero, even though he often ends up being one, it isn't his intention. So he is Neutral imo.
Same with Garp, Garp is lawful in regards to the One Piece universe (marine), but he isn't necessarily good either. He doesn't arrest Luffy or stop him when he wants to save Ace. He's a soft guy, but he's still a marine and has to uphold his position where he can. Again, neutral in his intentions.
Now for Whitebeard. This might seem a counter to what I just said about pirates being considered "evil", but that's because his intentions are entirely based around creating and maintaining a "family". Whitebeard doesn't care about most things regular pirates care about, even Luffy. Not One Piece, not amassing wealth, not taking territory, not defeating those around him, he just wants a family. His intentions were "good", but obviously chaotic because he was a yonkou and the "Strongest" man in the world. He had the power to maintain his intentions, just like when he tore up Marineford to save Ace.
Doffy is a little trickier. He's a grade-A badass and you can't really say he wasn't chaotic, but the definition here is different. Basically the difference between the two is how they go about realizing their goals. Doflamingo not only throws down and flat out destroys shit when he needs to, but Dressrossa is proof that he preferred a deep and manipulative system in order to exploit and torment the citizens of Dressrossa. There was nothing chaotic about his reign over the Kingdom. The toys' past lives were forgotten and people lived in peace. Hence, Doflamingo is neutral because he is indifferent to Order and Chaos. Hence the quote in the image, and him using both Order (the toys to keep people in line and the laws encoded into them through Sugar) and Chaos (Birdcage) to fulfill his goals.
In comparison, we know no such level of thought from Blackbeard, who has no regard for order or maintaining a system of laws at all.
Imperial Bishop
Banned
The only evidence towards that theory are minor details, like
-Big Mom and Lola both having pink hair,
-Lola referring to her mother as "Mama" which is what Tamago and Pekoms call BM
-Lola's mom being a famous New World pirate.
I don't think it's a fact, but there are some hints that it might be the cause. Or it could be a total red herring.
igordennis
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i know who big mom is
The chapter that tea guy and big mom were revelead Spirited Away was precisely the first thing to come to my mind. Kamaji and this witch that i forgot the name seem to be inspiration for their design, at least from my perspective. The moment i finished reading the chapter i made this connection. Great minds think alike
Funnily enough, one of the main theories about Big Mom is that she has a magic Devil FruitThe chapter that tea guy and big mom were revelead Spirited Away was precisely the first thing to come to my mind. Kamaji and this witch that i forgot the name seem to be inspiration for their design, at least from my perspective. The moment i finished reading the chapter i made this connection. Great minds think alike
sengoku was buddha so she probably got the witch fruit. a witch fruit can practically allow her to do anything she feels like.
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