lol pretty much huh
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lol pretty much huh
Sibersk Esto
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The female body can be an enigma to lots of artists it seems. Easier to wrap clothing around a reference model for the female body than to try and work out how specific clothing adjusts to different types of bodies.
Cloud Strife
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mate, zoro would win hands down have u seen those swords like shiiiing.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
You know i cant lie...zoro is kinda pulling me in to his crazy hype world his new world self has been perfection..starting from his "i got on the wrong ship"...man come on oda help my boy sanji
And he hasnt even opened his eye yet. Do you understand just how crazy thats going to get when it happens? The magnitude of the event?
I would give Oda more credit than simply saying he's incompetent. As an artist, he seems to take joy in drawing pretty much anything.
For one, I think most everyone agrees that he managed to draw women without being overly sexual about it in the beginning of the manga. And he also managed to draw them before without the same exaggerated hourglass figure too.
But if he truly has trouble with it, there are plenty of peers he can look to of how it ought to be done. And in any case, he certainly doesn't seem to have a problem giving men clothing that fits normally over their bodies.
Blackleg-sanji1
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Cloud Strife
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Sibersk Esto
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I don't know, Oda seems to love his man speedos and the "Open jacket with no shirt to show off my tight 8 packs" look.
LonelyGreyWolf
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Zoro's post-timeskip re-introduction was really cool.
Also, dat hair remake
Also, dat hair remake
Cloud Strife
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Senor Pink was truly the epitome of this.
Zoro's post-timeskip re-introduction was really cool.
Also, dat hair remake
The epitome of sex right there
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
So hard boiled!!
He does indeed, but that's not what I'm getting at. When Robin wears clothing in a normal climate, it's highly revealing of both her skin and figure. When Robin wears clothing in a winter climate, it's not revealing of her skin, but it is her figure.
Compare, say, Usopp. He's all muscular post time skip. On the other hand, when he wears a winter coat...
It looks like a goddamn winter coat. If men were on the same level playing field as women, it should be hugging his figure tightly enough to atleast see that he has a developed torso and a thin waist. His biceps should be straining against the fabric on the arms, so that we never forget what a hot bod he has.
Another example is Zoro. He is by far the most muscular strawhat.
He could have had his far thinner Pretimeskip body if they copy and pasted his head on here. Because while the tux is meant to be stylish, it's not meant to be sexualized. Same reasons as Usopp, his wide torso isn't emphasized, or his huge ass arms. He could be Pretimeskip Usopp thin under there if he wanted. Oda could draw him in a sexual way in his tuxedo, but he doesn't because he's not trying to sexualize him. He is never not trying to sexualize women.
Zoro's post-timeskip re-introduction was really cool.
Sorry for the double quote but this scene just shadows to me what mihawk did to Don Kriegs ship.
Quite telling, quite telling indeed.
Sibersk Esto
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I see that alot with male artists, since most just don't find men sexy but want to draw idealized women.
Blackleg-sanji1
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ssj5krillhan
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Gosh I really want to know who that 7th Shichibukai is, I don't think it will be revealed in Chap 800 as I'm hoping its going to be about the World Meeting Fujitora had mentioned. But just wow. All I know is devil fruit & cut off Z's arm & its a male. He's gotta be really strong.
Well what ill give sanji is that he doesnt need a weapon to compete. Imagine if zoro misplaces his swords or it gets knocked away during battle. He screwed.
Blackleg-sanji1
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I keep forgetting about that, i wonder what's the deal with that guy
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Blackleg-sanji1
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ssj5krillhan
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You don't know how many times I have watched old episodes & paused crowd scenes to look at people & have found that guy.........fml
No, they draw idealized men. They draw sexualized women. There is a difference. There are ways to draw look looking women without emphasizing their sexual features. They can be gender neutral, or feminine, or even scantily without being hyper sexualized. And I will take this as my cue to blast you with random fanart of other series.
These are just a few that I found. Death in that last one is dressed in her usual black tank top, but I don't think she's being needlessly sexualized in that picture, even though the angle is ideal to look down her breasts. The others look distinctive without being hyper sexualized.
I tried to find fan art of Nami and Robin to help prove my point, but Deviant art is literally SWARMED with sexualized pictures of them. I don't mean just fan art of Robin and Nami that happen to be true to their sexualized nature, but even being more gratuitous than the show, often having outright sex or getting ready for sex. The closest I found to pictures that weren't hyper sexualized were cosplayers who literally cannot have boobs as protruding as them. For comparison's sake, I also searched Danaerys Targaryen, who is one of the most sexual figures in a highly sexual show and I found her in feminine, but not hyper sexualized clothing in the first page.
That's as much of a demonstration of the effects of sexualization that I can find. When I search Luffy, do you know what I find? Him in Roger's coat, a gif of him with Arlong's teeth, a hyper realistic drawing of him, one with cool fan art clothes, a scene where he fights Zoro, him confronting Blackbeard. I see maybe 2 or 3 that might be construed as provocative. Fans see Luffy as a character, with a past, with a future, with epic moments, with iconic imagery. When they see Nami and Robin, they see nothing but a sexual object. That should be considered disgraceful by anyone that claims the OP fandom values these two as characters.
Sibersk Esto
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Hey, I'm not disagreeing with that, I'm just saying I see the sexualized stuff more often.
Well, yeah, this isn't just an oda problem. Unfortunately, the vast majority of comic artists do it, american and japanese. There's just no point in making any kind of excuses for them. They are sexually objectifying women. That's wrong. They shouldn't do that. End of story, really. OP can still be an enjoyable manga for a lot of different reasons and these people aren't the devil, but it's a very widespread problem all the same.
LonelyGreyWolf
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Yeah, it is definitely a throwback to that. It's the first move we saw Mihawk do, and it's the first move Zoro does after training with Mihawk.
The scenes with Mihawk during the Baratie arc were really good, by the way. Really underrated arc in general. The scenes with Sanji are really good too (of course; it's "his" arc).
Frozenprince
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Oh my god look I get it. I get that this is a problem. But I swear well over half the pages in this thread are the SAME THING.
We've talked it to death can we just let it go?
We've talked it to death can we just let it go?
Whos that guy in your avatar?
we'll just go back to talking about if zoro has conqueror's haki or not
Blackleg-sanji1
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Take my advice jus ignore it and talk about something else that what everyone else is doing. Nothing we can do about it,its what they want to talk about they have the right no matter how much it gets bought up
Cloud Strife
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Btw, not sure if this was brought up back with the whole Fujitora weapon gravity thing, but in the latest chapter you see him sheathing his sword and the rubble stays floating.
So his sword isn't actually necessary, I think.
Lttp.
So his sword isn't actually necessary, I think.
Lttp.
Blackleg-sanji1
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Aww but i like the idea of the gravity sword better
Frozenprince
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LonelyGreyWolf
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I think maybe we're going to see Kaido next chapter. Plus Luffy's answer to his the fleet (this one is a given). Plus maybe a call from Fujitora to Akainu.
You want to know the funny thing? I know I'm the guy that argues this most out of anyone here. But I didn't draw the conversation to this point. This is how it got started: Fun to Compute mentioned how Sabo was meant as female fanservice, which made cloud (and me) inquire as to why, the conversation turned to female fanservice in general, fanservice in general, and then we wound ourselves back to this. But I'm just going with the flow. It's not like I'm specifically gearing the conversation toward this.
I didn't start the last conversation on it either.
And frankly, I think it's disingenuous to try to just not talk about it when it is the central pillar of any female character design. Wherever the straw hat crew goes, however strange and innovative their adventures, there is a scantily clad, highly sexualized woman in it. When we get the new chapter tomorrow or Thursday, there's probably going to be some T and A for us to oogle. Like, I understand that everything to be said has been said about it, but when it's one of the most constant elements of the story, in your face in almost any chapter that has women in it, how can you not talk about it?
Exactly. It's inevitable, not because any one of us specifically wants to talk about it, but it's what we are constantly bombarded with.
Sibersk Esto
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Sure, I can wait until the next chapter. It'll just spring up again.
You know what would be super cool, kind of to just show that hey, Doffy is not stronger than me and this is how ill show it without actually fighting him?
Lift dressrosa out of the water.
pelicansurf
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Zoro is the best. Too bad almost all of his versions in Treasure Cruise are below average characters. 6-star Zoro please.
On topic, I like and hate Sanji simultaneously. Post time skip, his goatee makes me angry.
On topic, I like and hate Sanji simultaneously. Post time skip, his goatee makes me angry.
Well Zoro > that character from the new Fire Emblem
Frozenprince
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Well you're alright by me.
The more you talk about it, the more people become aware of it.
What's wrong with talking about it? It's important.
Also, since I started reading this thread I dunno, a few weeks ago (aka well over a dozen pages ago), this is the first time I've seen this topic pop up, so if it did, it didn't last long, I think. Hardly seems like half pages, let alone over half, unless it's severely front-loaded.
Blackleg-sanji1
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More Fun To Compute
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I'm not sure what is going on here? Some subtle thing in One Piece that not everyone notices? The Doskoi Panda logo?
pelicansurf
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http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mtkb0BZhuWA
That's why Zoro is the best. One of my favorite scenes in One Piece.
That's why Zoro is the best. One of my favorite scenes in One Piece.
and why pre-time skip was so damn good
I swear I thought you were going to link a clip of Zoro ShiShi SonSon-ing Kuma.
ssj5krillhan
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Yeah I remember when he was gambling he struck those guys with his sword & then when sheathing it the gravity took over.
I hate to say it the majority of people really think 800 is going to have something to do with Big Moms tea party
pelicansurf
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