Cloud Strife
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Sabo is pretty badass, but I'm not seeing how he's specifically a female-fan service character definitively.
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Sabo is pretty badass, but I'm not seeing how he's specifically a female-fan service character definitively.
Cloud Strife
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Are you talking about male characters here? There's no way you can mean there's no fan-service in One Piece.
That's why I am suspecting it's sarcasm, but Wolf here might prove me wrong.
Sibersk Esto
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I think there's a difference between "no fan service" and "made just to titillate people"
That is literally what fanservice is colloquially defined as. That which is done to serve the fans, typically sexually. Personally, I don't like the term because it's hard to divide what is done to 'serve the fans' in a story. Arguably, every story is fanservice, since it's all meant to be a positive experience for the audience of some kind. But in the context of what we're talking about, yeah, that's exactly what fanservice is.
Sibersk Esto
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yeah but I can't remember any one piece character who's sole purpose was to be sexy fanservice.
Cloud Strife
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Yeah, iunno.
Rebecca? lol, she's like fucking 16. I mean, you could argue every character has some kind of relevance to the plot, especially so in One Piece, but I don't think sole intent matters when it's literally 24/7 with many of the major female characters in this series.
It's hard to think of a character in any manga or story that is truly solely meant as fanservice. Most of them have some excuse, however thin. But it'd be unreasonable to argue that, say, Nami's primary purpose isn't to be fanservice. Yeah, she does navigating in the background as they travel and is there for humor and occasional exposition, but 90% of the time, she's there for fap material.
There's no piece of female fanservice that is anywhere near as blatant as that, and I don't think that was Ace's primary role was to be fanservice either, but he was probably the most fanservicey character heterosexual women/homosexual men had, because of prior mentioned perpetual shirtlessness.
More Fun To Compute
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In terms of physique and facial structure he isn't too different from Ace. His personality is less puppy dog I guess but he still fairly similar. He has blonde hair and dresses very smartly in almost a steampunk fashion. But he still gets his shirt off fairly early as Lucy Sabo. I would say that he has was made to appeal to women more than most characters if only just by who he is and how reliable he is.
We're talking about sexual fanservice. I mean, if Oda's logic to be believed, then Franky and Kuma are major fanservice characters because he's a robot, and all males love robots.
Which is why I hate the term fanservice. If merely picking something that just has appeal is fanservice, then there is little that isn't fanservice, not just in OP, but in storytelling in general. There has to be more to it than that or else the term is worthless.
Personally, I highly doubt when Oda drew Sabo's clothing that he was thinking "oh, yeah, women and women specifically are going to cream themselves over this"
Cloud Strife
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Yeah, I was basically going to say this. But I definitely see where you're coming from, Compute. Just not the "fanservice" I was thinking of when I initially responded.
LonelyGreyWolf
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No.
Disgusting.
Worst thing I've read in this entire thread. You can have whatever perversions you want, but there's no chance in hell that Oda sees Nami or Ace as being "90% fap material". The very fact that you even think like this shows a lot about you as a person and how you sexualize women. It's complete nonsense. Seriously, worth saying twice, out of all the garbage I've seen here, this is the worst post.
Right, just checking. Carry on.
Cloud Strife
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Dude, what the fuck?
Where does Veelk say he agrees with them being portrayed as such? Denying the fact that fanservice exists doesn't make it go away.
I'm actually baffled you think that the characters in this series (especially the females) aren't specifically designed to elicit a sexual reaction. Look at their tits for god's sake, you can see around the Alabasta arc where it starts to get more and more apparent and in-your-face.
Cloud Strife
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God damn it you guys.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
Hey I'll give One Piece this, when the women are designed to be sexually appealing at least the manga just does it you know? The women characters wear these revealing outfits, and everything is hunky dorey, no fuss no muss. I get irked when women in manga become these redfaced blobs whenever something slightly romantic or sexual comes up. With One Piece at least it isn't a big deal. And as an added bonus, I actually care about most of the female characters too!
I feel that takes it to the opposite problem.
Like, the women dress highly provocatively, but OP is otherwise a very asexual manga. No one makes romantic advances, has sex, flirts, etc. The sexuality is there, and it's occasionally acknowledged, but none of the characters react to it in a human kind of way. By all rights, atleast 2 people on the straw hat crew should be fucking daily. But all it ever amounts to is some leering. Even Hancock, who is in love with Luffy, doesn't work toward a relationship other than providing services and then demanding marriage. I really don't get why both Nami and Robin dress as provocatively as they do if they are wholly uninterested in sex. Or why they would be uninterested in sex in the first place. I know girls that are like that, and they like to dress stylishly, but never enticingly, because they see no point for it.
More Fun To Compute
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Well this thread was actually readable for page or so a while back.
Nami to Kinemon: it's fashion.
Sibersk Esto
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I don't really know about that. Nami is the one who usually gets more casual by wearing a bra, but most of the time Nami and Robin are wearing fairly believable clothing.
This implies that it's not possible for a woman to be fashionable without being sexually provocative. Obviously wrong.
Robin is just as bad, she just happens to be into leather more.
At best, Robin is marginally less blatant about it, but essentially every woman that isn't hideously ugly is made to wear sexually provocative clothing.
Much as I love One Piece (and I do, I goddamn love it a lot), I am loathe to pretend that there isn't a lot of overt sexualization of females.
Rebecca is the most recent example, and she's pretty egregious. Literally wearing bikini armor while fighting in gladiator battles.
Of course, then there's Nami, who has gone through puberty five times over since her introduction. How old was she when she joined the crew? A quick Google says 18, but that sounds wrong, I dunno. Anyway, so now she wears a bikini all the time. Because of course. It's not necessarily the bikini that bothers me, it's just that taken as a part of the whole, it's just "yet another example". Like if she just wanted to wear a bikini, that'd be fine. But she certainly didn't start that way, and there's no real reason for her to have changed, other than her tits got way bigger.
Man I love One Piece, but this kind of shit really bothers me. ):
Anyway, yeah, whatever.
Usopp is still baller.
Rebecca is the most recent example, and she's pretty egregious. Literally wearing bikini armor while fighting in gladiator battles.
Of course, then there's Nami, who has gone through puberty five times over since her introduction. How old was she when she joined the crew? A quick Google says 18, but that sounds wrong, I dunno. Anyway, so now she wears a bikini all the time. Because of course. It's not necessarily the bikini that bothers me, it's just that taken as a part of the whole, it's just "yet another example". Like if she just wanted to wear a bikini, that'd be fine. But she certainly didn't start that way, and there's no real reason for her to have changed, other than her tits got way bigger.
Man I love One Piece, but this kind of shit really bothers me. ):
Anyway, yeah, whatever.
Usopp is still baller.
Blackleg-sanji1
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Not fanservice and women again!! Can the chapter leak this is getting annoying its tge same stuff eveeytime can somebody jus make a separate thread of one piece for it or something there's soooo much to talk about but it always comes full circle again to ft this..I'll quote myself again "at least in the naruto thread the women arguments are about versus matchups not the same thing over nd over"
Can you either contribute to the actual discussion or stop bitching? Because I'm pretty sure it's banworthy to just complain about what people are discussing and I'm perfectly happy to call over a mod if all you intend to do is constantly derail the conversation.
Rebecca's armor is a tribute to characters like Red Sonja, no? I am OK with her costume but the anime made it 100% worse.
Sibersk Esto
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Any outfits in particular?
Blackleg-sanji1
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Didn't come at anybody rude at all what you're doing isn't tho? Did i tell u guys "to stop bitching?" No..did i say u guys were wrong nope but if this is a very strong topic why not bring up a thread for it this same conversation comes completely out of nowhere a couple pages later by the same ppl and no im not the only one that complains about it and im pretty sure i remember seeing u doing this to the last person that said something
Cloud Strife
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Oh come on.
We talk about other stuff all the damn time.
The thread is quite readable if you ignore discussions where a special someone with a username of 5 letters is involved
I guess I could see that being the inspiration, although I don't like Red Sonja's various costumes, either. U:
Well I'm certainly not the same people!
But okay. I think it's a worthwhile conversation. Maybe if you don't like it, just let it take its course and come back when it does.
Or, I dunno, come up with something else to talk about and if people are interested, they'll respond.
Blackleg-sanji1
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Literally go read a couple pages,you cant talk about a woman on this thread without it turning into a sexist or fanservice discussion we went from taking about the game,to bellamy to rebecca being in the game, to sabo being female fan service(heck il take the convo over tgis its a change of pace,why does zoro always havr his shirt off or ace) u guys are right animes and manga treat women poorly sometimes i jus think ppl get alil tired of the topic nobody was rude about it at least i dont think i was
Sibersk Esto
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I mean, it doesn't make it better but yes, Rebecca's outfit is basically every "female fantasy armor" from everything.
Blackleg-sanji1
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Cloud Strife
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I'll admit it got pretty intense the last few pages for sure, but we definitely do talk about other things in this thread.
What do you want to talk about?
Like Sanji tore apart Doffy? Not!!!!!!
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Jumping into the middle of a perfectly civil conversation and demanding that everyone stop discussing the current topic is, yes, rude.
Cloud Strife
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Zoro wins, hands down.
But ya'll better expect a huuuuge emotional moment between those two before the series is over. They hate each other but they love each other <3 Bros for life.
But ya'll better expect a huuuuge emotional moment between those two before the series is over. They hate each other but they love each other <3 Bros for life.
Fishman Island, Punk Hazard, Dressrosa.
Now, I feel the immediate response is "That costume makes sense for reasons"
Rather than immediately trying to refute the reasons, lets keep in mind that this train of thought is remarkably consistent throughout the series. Whether there is or isn't a reason for it, isn't it suspect that women are always drawn provocatively? And I don't even necessarily mean the clothing itself. I mean, even when the clothing is nonsexual, such as this
It's drawn remarkably tight with an emphasis on her breasts. Or how even thick winter coats outline themselves to their figure.
At a certain point, it stops being the clothing itself, but how the female figures are drawn. I remember a thread discussing female in comics, and one person gave a cover of Rouge in a very tight outfit, in a position showing off her body. Then he gave the cover by a different artist, in the same outfit, with the same position, but it wasn't anywhere near as sexual. The biggest difference I could tell was that the outfit didn't hug her body like it was 2 sizes too small, and just with that small change, Rouge didn't feel anywhere close to being as sexualized, despite not much changing. Even when Oda gives them rare sensible clothing, they're drawn to be sexualized, so it's hard to avoid.
No, all you do is come in and whine that the topic has changed to sexism. In fact, you even post about how grateful you are the topic isn't sexism when we aren't talking about it. I don't really care what issues you have with the topic that the very mention of it is a brown note to you, but take it elsewhere if all your going to do is complain about it.
We already doing it bruh? Zoro > Cloud
Blackleg-sanji1
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Meh anything will do honestly and again dont wanna seem like im shooting you guys ideal down if it seemed like it i apologize.
Anyway someone put zoro>sanji cant let that fly
Sibersk Esto
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Remember when Sanji was a borderline nihilist with a guilt complex?
Cloud Strife
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Blackleg-sanji1
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Hmmm while i love me a sanji vs zoro debate zoro<cloud dont be foolish
Do you really think cloud would beat zoro in a sword fight? Cmon man, like cmon
Like what can you possibly base that on.
The messed up part is that we really did
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