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One Piece Manga |OT| ZEHAHAHAHA! The Name of this Age is Blackbeard!
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Garp is much stronger than the admirals (akainu included) Remember he basically said "Sengoku, hold me down or I will kill Akainu" like it was nothing to him. He was also known as the strongest marine and, like whitebeard, Rogers equal.
The only reason he hasn't been fleet commander for the past 25 years or so is because he doesn't want to be.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
I wouldn't exactly say that, there isn't a strict power level in one piece, more general levels. E.g Dark King Rayleigh fought evenly with Kizaru, despite being Rogers right hand man, and Kizaru simply being an Admiral, neither were out to kill but neither were dsplayed as significantly stronger than the other you but see that throughout the war, even Akainu managed to be able to continue fighting after a significant beat down from Whitebeard.
Garp is probably stronger than Akainu but i'd struggle to suggest he's significantly so.
My point was a title is just a title and there are exceptions like Garp.
And no Garp isnt much stronger than the Admirals and even if he was we dont really know about it. Just because you scream you wanna kill someone in rage doesnt mean that you are actually able to it.
No one is much stronger than other Top Tiers at this point of this story - Jinbei vs. Ace or Akainu vs. Aokij proved how most battles at this level end - long drawn out fights were the characters with more luck or endurance stands at the end.
I dunno, Oda has been pretty clear in establishing that Roger, Whitebeard, and Garp are beyond everyone else in the one piece universe, and fought each other to draws countless times.
You are talking about Prime Roger, Garp and Whitebeard. Garp is still one of the strongest OP characters but time has passed, we havent seen him fight serious so just assuming that he is the strongest seems a bit naive.
And hell...he might be stronger ( wouldnt surprise me), but i doubt that he would be much stronger. OP just doesnt work like that, i also dont think that Roger was much stronger than anyone else. He was just strong enough to reach Raftel and fight off enemies/marine.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
I wouldn't even say that, we don't even know the degree of Garp's and Rogers relationship. Roger clearly wasn't prime level the entire time, much like Luffy he obviously went through a power growth through his adventures, for all we know Garp could have been something like Smoker before the time skip, someone Roger could never quite deal with but wasn't immensely powerful in comparison to everyone else the entire time and they grew together.
I mean Garp and Sengoku were definitely implied to be around the same level, which is why they almost always come as pair and even fought Shiki together, so this assumption that Garp is significantly stronger than all other Marines doesn't really seem to be backed by all that much other than he fought Roger a lot.
Now that there are only a few days left, this will be my definitive gear 4th bet (which I mentioned before):
Small Luffy. Basically him mastering the previous unwanted side effect of gear 3 and using it to his advantage (small and quick).
I would like this because it would not render his other gears useless and it would give him 3 enhanced forms with different advantages and caveats (leading to many new variation possibilities in future battles). Gear 2 and 3 complimented each other well in combat by opening disinct movesets (and possible combinations), instead of just being powerlevels (SS1 in DBZ became useless after SS2, for example).
I would be dissapointed if gear 4 is just a "every limb is gear 3" giant Luffy mode or some flaming/black haki gear 2, for example.
I agree that at this level it is difficult to just list the strongest in a set order based on events/bounties/status. There are many factors to who will top who in a 1v1 fight (environment, preparation/knowledge of someone's abilities, state of mind, special abilities like fruits/haki/cyborg stuff, fighting style, the ability to adapt, variation in movesets, luck, endurance etc. etc.).
But I think this has always been the case to a certain extent in OP (Luffy vs Crocodile for example).
Small Luffy. Basically him mastering the previous unwanted side effect of gear 3 and using it to his advantage (small and quick).
I would like this because it would not render his other gears useless and it would give him 3 enhanced forms with different advantages and caveats (leading to many new variation possibilities in future battles). Gear 2 and 3 complimented each other well in combat by opening disinct movesets (and possible combinations), instead of just being powerlevels (SS1 in DBZ became useless after SS2, for example).
I would be dissapointed if gear 4 is just a "every limb is gear 3" giant Luffy mode or some flaming/black haki gear 2, for example.
I agree that at this level it is difficult to just list the strongest in a set order based on events/bounties/status. There are many factors to who will top who in a 1v1 fight (environment, preparation/knowledge of someone's abilities, state of mind, special abilities like fruits/haki/cyborg stuff, fighting style, the ability to adapt, variation in movesets, luck, endurance etc. etc.).
But I think this has always been the case to a certain extent in OP (Luffy vs Crocodile for example).
Yes. CHO-CHOOOOOOOO
How is getting smaller going to help him in this fight ? It's going to make his punches even weaker. I'm always wrong with predictions, but gear 4 is not going to be chibby Luffy.
Prediction 1: He coils his body parts into the shape of a spring, learned from his fights with Bellamy.
Prediction 2: He gets some kind of shockwave style attack by using haki and snapping his limbs.
Prediction 3: he sucks the air OUT of himself to become flatter, making him nearly impossible to hit and all of his attacks have sharpness.
Joke Prediction: He gives himself a conehead because he thought Don Chinjao was awesome.
Prediction 2: He gets some kind of shockwave style attack by using haki and snapping his limbs.
Prediction 3: he sucks the air OUT of himself to become flatter, making him nearly impossible to hit and all of his attacks have sharpness.
Joke Prediction: He gives himself a conehead because he thought Don Chinjao was awesome.
LonelyGreyWolf
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I don't really want to join the power discussion, but I reeeeeeeally doubt old-man Garp could beat Akainu. I'd say he said that out of rage (and of course he has the same willpower as Luffy, who thought he could defeat the big-shots in that very same arc and got crushed).
pelicansurf
Needs a Holiday on Gallifrey
There's a distinct difference between Luffy's boasts and Garp's "I'm going to kill him". I'm not saying he'd beat Akainu, but he definitely wouldn't get crushed, considering that even though angry, I'm sure he has a wealth of experience to back up that confidence.
Oda showed again and again that there isn't a really a structure of "these are more powerful than any others."
But it is kinda showing that a ill, beaten half to death and wounded Whitebeard almost crushed Akainu.
Shichibukai's are scared of other Yonkous
I think we all can assume that the Yonkous are all crazy strong.
But it is kinda showing that a ill, beaten half to death and wounded Whitebeard almost crushed Akainu.
Shichibukai's are scared of other Yonkous
I think we all can assume that the Yonkous are all crazy strong.
BobTheFork
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When Luffy was about to use gear 3 he bite his thumb before the reveal, which makes sense. The last panel it looks like he is about to bite into his forarm... I don't know if that means anything. I can't think of anything else he could do to play off of his rubber power.
The only idea I had would be taking the mass of air from gear three and punching that air into his opponent. That idea can't really happen because it would basically be exploding his enemies in an MK style fatality. Awesome but not happening.
'Vulcanizing' himself seems about the only good suggestions right now.
The only idea I had would be taking the mass of air from gear three and punching that air into his opponent. That idea can't really happen because it would basically be exploding his enemies in an MK style fatality. Awesome but not happening.
'Vulcanizing' himself seems about the only good suggestions right now.
Solid Samus
Banned
my last prediction before Wednesday: almost all of those things
watch Gear 4 be some type of muscle memory state, where Luffy straight up apes other people's moves to see what sort of shit will stick for that particular situation, by reshaping the relevant body parts into analogues capable of using those moves... Ideo's super shoulder 'splosions, Chinjao's conehead, Elizabello's King Punch, Bellamy's springs, Gilly's long limbs, etc. are in the realm of possibility if Gear 4 lets him mold his rubber parts more directly.
Vulcanizing feels about as unlikely to me now, as how likely it felt to everyone who was immediately convinced that was what Gear 2 was like ten years ago
pelicansurf
Needs a Holiday on Gallifrey
This is my prediction for G4. I'm really curious about it.
To add-on to the negatives, droopy and non-responsive limbs, which is pretty much game over if G4 doesn't "win".
Doesn't really sounds like a gum-power and isn't really creative in my opinion. Yes his family name is "Monkey", but it doesn't feels like something, Luffy would do. He is always himself, stealing other peoples moves could be seen as stealing their identity.
By the way i through a opponent, who eat a "Copy Copy Fruit" would be awesome . So i checked and this person already exits! He is called Chameleone! and from the 2012 One Piece Live-Action stage show. Also looks a little like Doflamingo. Kind of a waste for an interesting power ...
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
I always thought there was a chance Chameleone could show up later. Although the ability is super close to Bon Clay's.
pelicansurf
Needs a Holiday on Gallifrey
I'm pretty sure Bon Clay ate the copy copy fruit
Bon Clay ate the Mane Mane No Mi of which the translation is the Clone Clone Fruit.
http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Mane_Mane_no_Mi
http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Kopi_Kopi_no_Mi
my prediction is that gear 4 is basically gear 2 and gear 3 combined. luffy will suck in a ton of air and compress it all inside his body. this will make his gear 2 state much faster and he will be able to throw out gear 3 punches instantly since he has all the air inside of him. if he adds armor to his attacks then he will be deadly. maybe his new finishing move is a gear 3 red hawk that looks almost exactly like ace's fire fist attack.
Omnistalgic
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I was thinking that too, if he could go Gear 3 at will really fast, Luffy could end up with one of the most versatile DF in the world of One Piece. Fights could look crazy too, Luffy grabbing an enemy with stretched hands, and then smashing them with a giganto axe coming at Jet speed or something. Would need some crazy explanation though, and he still would be weak vs. swordsmen.
Nintendo is releasing a Luffy amiibo for Wave 4?
Man, that 3DS game must have been a huge hit.
NHarmonic.
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I hope gear 4 is something crazy that surprises us all, and not a mix of gears or some fire shit.
Imperial Bishop
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Apparently the English translator for One Piece knows what Gear 4th is. I'm not surprised since, from what I've heard, the guys at Viz get the chapters early from Shueisha.
Yeah. I recall that he managed to confirm that Vergo's name is spelled Vergo, before the chapter that revealed the official spelling.
Makes sense since they're a simul-publish (disregarding leaks)
Imperial Bishop
Banned
That reminds me. BatDan, I don't know how you can post chapter spoilers every time they're leaked.
I can't stand spoilers myself. Especially with all the crazy shit going on in this arc. lol
I can't stand spoilers myself. Especially with all the crazy shit going on in this arc. lol
J
Jpop
Unconfirmed Member
Tomorrow or Thursday.
Would love for Nintendo to have Luffy in SSB Wii u.
NHarmonic.
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pelicansurf
Needs a Holiday on Gallifrey
Interesting theory. Could make sense.
Omnistalgic
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FTFY ;-)
Rebel Leader
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There is a fake spoiler out there ... and I want to see it
Would be cool if Luffy's Gear 4th is actually a totally different Devil Fruit. Which means, he in the timeskip, found a new DF fruit, ate it accidentally, but took like 6 months to contain it, much in the same way Blackbeard is able to use 2 DF powers... but this DF power totall compliments his original power and unlike BB, can use both at the same time.
pelicansurf
Needs a Holiday on Gallifrey
LonelyGreyWolf
Banned
Nope. You can only eat one devil fruit. You die if you eat a second fruit.
EDIT: Also, I think Blackbeard can use both of his powers at the same time, no? He like showed it for a second when he first got it. We also don't know what he learned over the last two years.
That would be really, really awful.
Tell that to Blackbeard. But he has an "unusual body".
Imperial Bishop
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LonelyGreyWolf
Banned
Blackbeard didn't eat a second devil fruit though. He "took" it from a dead human. And we've been through this discussion many times; there are quite a bunch of theories on how he did it, but we'll have to wait for Oda to see what really happened.
Aaronrules380
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It amounts to the same thing ultimately. It's pretty clear that whatever the reason BB can have 2 powers, it's something intrinsic to him given Marco said it was because of something unique about his body (which pretty much rules out the idea that it's because of another DF power). I'm still going with the parasitic twin theory, or something along those lines
Tathanen
Get Inside Her!
I kind of think the reason he covered up whitebeard was to make it look like he "took" it or orchestrated some kind of shenanigans, but all he really did was eat an apple he had in his pocket. Whitebeard's powers went right into it when Blackbeard killed him, ala Smiley. We have clear evidence that the fruit respawns the instant the previous owner dies.
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