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[Kave_Man]

Elbaf flashback hype!

 

[bjork]

Elbaf

it will reveal that BM is secretly Usopp's grandma

Usopp v Luffy round 2

 

[MANUELF]

Isnt Big Mom 62? That means she is from Elbaf?

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

Isnt Big Mom 62? That means she is from Elbaf?

She's 68 which means she's 5 here

 

[Anteater]

so is that a super gigantic tree or something in the center of the island?

 

[BatDan]

Now THAT'S a cliffhanger. Going into the legendary Elbaf in two weeks.
Also, Viz needs to realize that Elbaf is "Fable" spelled backwards and their "Elbaph" spelling is stupid and wrong.

This does cast some possibility that Big Mom won't survive if we're getting her flashback. But who knows, she might continue to be a threat after this.

so is that a super gigantic tree or something in the center of the island?

Maybe it's the Treasure Tree Adam?

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

so is that a super gigantic tree or something in the center of the island?

yggdrasil Hype!!
Or
Yea the Adam tree

 

[bjork]

This does cast some possibility that Big Mom won't survive if we're getting her flashback. But who knows, she might continue to be a threat after this

I'll be surprised if she ends up dying, because non-flashback deaths are rare. But I could see it as Bege trying to take out BM and pin it on the SHs, so maybe? Tough to say.

Or, since she's getting a flashback, BM is the new crew member.

 

[Kave_Man]

I'll be surprised if she ends up dying, because non-flashback deaths are rare. But I could see it as Bege trying to take out BM and pin it on the SHs, so maybe? Tough to say.

Or, since she's getting a flashback, BM is the new crew member.

Big Mom for nakama!

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Big Mom flashback was not something I expected to be seeing right now. Curious to see where that goes.

This does cast some possibility that Big Mom won't survive if we're getting her flashback. But who knows, she might continue to be a threat after this.

Either that or it's really setting her up to play a big role when the crew goes to Elbaf later on.

 

[SolVanderlyn]

so is that a super gigantic tree or something in the center of the island?

Nice catch, that might be Adam like others have said

 

[caliph95]

Big Mom for nakama!

 

[AgentLampshade]

Now THAT'S a cliffhanger. Going into the legendary Elbaf in two weeks.
Also, Viz needs to realize that Elbaf is "Fable" spelled backwards and their "Elbaph" spelling is stupid and wrong.

'Elbaph' and 'Ponegliff' seems like some wires crossed the wrong way somewhere.

 

[turmoil]

So I think that BM is a (small) giant form Elbaf, maybe from an important family/faction and she thinks that she has a legitimate claim to the throne. Mother caramel being her mother/guardian in her infancy.

If this is the full BM flashback and not a teasing, we should learn a little about Roger's age as she would had been one of the rising stars back then.

She better awakes the second the flashback ends to kick Bege's ass, she shouldn't be injured by such a stupid weakness.

 

[Lunar15]

Elbaf hype activate

A giant tree on Elbaf makes perfect sense, it's likely a parallel to Yggdrasil.

 

[lbsa]

Has anyone noticed how Katakuri does almost all the fighting with luffy/bege/jinbe while Smoothie is nowhere to be seen? Like shouldn't she be more concerned about what's happening with BM, i mean she is a sweet commander after all.

 

[daveo42]

Good fucking god this arc went from amazing to insane. Badass Sanji showing pops who's boss. Bege throwing down some real badass gansta shit. ELBAF!

I assume this confirms that Big Mom is half giant?

 

[LotusHD]

Has anyone noticed how Katakuri does almost all the fighting with luffy/bege/jinbe while Smoothie is nowhere to be seen? Like shouldn't she be more concerned about what's happening with BM, i mean she is a sweet commander after all.

Lmao, I've started to realize everyone is like "Where the fuck is Smoothie"

Smoothie was in this chapter though, freaking out.

Good fucking god this arc went from amazing to insane. Badass Sanji showing pops who's boss. Bege throwing down some real badass gansta shit. ELBAF!

I assume this confirms that Big Mom is half giant?

Nothing is confirmed.

 

[Ray Down]

I liked the chapter. Sanji looked cool at last. And we could finally understand why he wanted to save his family, after all he had gone through when he was a child. Hope to see Reiju's full potential after the flashback. A Nami-Reiju dynamic duo should be awesome.

And finally Chopper and the rabbit are starting to do something that justify their existence.

Edit: many of us theorized that Shanks is in Elbaf, is the protector, or at least that once they arrive to Elbaf, Shanks will be there. With this flashback, perhaps we should start discarding this theory, or probably not yet.

Why would Elbaf be align with Shanks, they are the strongest nation. They might as well be isolated like Wano.

Why would Nami and Reiju have interactions?

It's because of Chopper they had mirror world access.

 

[Sibersk Esto]

I've seen people ask about Smoothie for awhile so it's nice that she tanked the scream and showed up.

The Sanji panel is another example of Oda's ability to craft really impactful compositions when he wants to have a big punctuated moment.

Chopper's face to Reiju was great. I liked that image of Carrot charging up her electric Socker Boppers.

 

[Tathanen]

Well, now that we're getting Elbaf in flashback, guess we don't need it in present day. Sorry Ussop.

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

Well, now that we're getting Elbaf in flashback, guess we don't need it in present day. Sorry Ussop.

lol ppl will be massively disappointed

 

[jokkir]

Big Mom is a half giant and got kicked out of Elbaf and just wants to get back in. That's why she wanted Lola to marry the giant so she can possibly see Mama Caramel again.

 

[Ray Down]

We are going to Elbaf.

 

[TheFlow]

Not going to lie these past chapters have been gangsta as fuck.

Sanji is baller.

 

[jbug617]

Flashback time boys.

 

[Ray Down]

Big Mom is a half giant and got kicked out of Elbaf and just wants to get back in. That's why she wanted Lola to marry the giant so she can possibly see Mama Caramel again.

Yeah hopefully we get some Lola in this flashback.

Will hopefully end Greg theory about that bit.

 

[Ray Down]

I also can't be the only one that thinks giving the Vinsmokes their suits is a bad idea...

 

[Kave_Man]

2 questions as I'm at work and can't easily check the answers:

1. So how old is Big Mom right now, aka that 62 or 63 years ago flashback would put her at what age?

2. Did the Rumbar pirates get taken out at this point yet or are they still sailing along singing songs?

Thanks in advance.

Your pal,

Kave
Vice-Captain of the Blackleg faction

 

[Anteater]

nah only thing useful about the vinsmokes are their fighting capability, I'm looking forward to their fights, even though those fucks won't redeem themselves I think at the end it just boils down to what Judge will do, his children couldn't care less and will follow his orders

 

[caliph95]

2 questions as I'm at work and can't easily check the answers:

1. So how old is Big Mom right now, aka that 62 or 63 years ago flashback would put her at what age?

2. Did the Rumbar pirates get taken out at this point yet or are they still sailing along singing songs?

Thanks in advance.

Your pal,

Kave
Vice-Captain of the Blackleg faction

1.68
2. they have been long dead its part of Brooks origin

 

[Ray Down]

2 questions as I'm at work and can't easily check the answers:

1. So how old is Big Mom right now, aka that 62 or 63 years ago flashback would put her at what age?

2. Did the Rumbar pirates get taken out at this point yet or are they still sailing along singing songs?

Thanks in advance.

Your pal,

Kave
Vice-Captain of the Blackleg faction

1. 5, SBS said she is 68.

2. No, this should be before they were even formed.

 

[BatDan]

1.68
2. they have been long dead its part of Brooks origin

No this is before the Rumbar Pirates died. That was 52 years ago, this is 62-63 years ago.

 

[Ray Down]

nah only thing useful about the vinsmokes are their fighting capability, I'm looking forward to their fights, even though those fucks won't redeem themselves I think at the end it just boils down to what Judge will do, his children couldn't care less and will follow his orders

That's why I think it can be mucked up, Judge is a wildcard that can just make a stupid order and fuck the whole plan up and the other siblings can't do shit about it.

Really they don't even need to be giving them the suit, but trying to get out of their.

 

[Anteater]

brook is still older than big mom right?

 

[caliph95]

No this is before the Rumbar Pirates died. That was 52 years ago, this is 62-63 years ago.

Yeah sorry for the guy i got sleepy and misread the comment

 

[Ray Down]

brook is still older than big mom right?

Yes .

 

[Kave_Man]

Awesome thanks guys!

5 years old interesting. I hope she's shaped like a little egg or something.

 

[Anteater]

Yes .

lmao i love how old he is, he's basically "oh I remember those little kids back then" when we're talking about the Yonko and Rogers

 

[Ray Down]

Oimo and Kashi may also be in the flashback too since its before they are captured/put to work at EL.

 

[Anteater]

I remember someone made a theory that the giant jack on Skypiea was rooted on Elbaf, maybe that's plausible?

 

[turmoil]

1, 2 and 4 will start getting emotions thanks to the power of Sanji's Fraternal Love™ I think

I even think they will get their own talents/interests

1 will be a painter
2 a poet
and 4 will go to law school

 

[Kave_Man]

Oh man I got hype for a second that maybe we'd see Dorry and Brogy but then remembered their battle started over 100 years ago.

Ahhh I'm too hype for Elbaf!

 

[GaimeGuy]

brook is still older than big mom right?

lmao i love how old he is, he's basically "oh I remember those little kids back then" when we're talking about the Yonko and Rogers

IIRC, Brook is 90 years old. He was 38 when he died. 88 when luffy picked him up. 90 after the timeskip.

I think the only named characters we've seen that are older than him are Dr Kureha and several giants.

 

[HabeeNo]

That panel of Sanji on the table has to be my panel of the year. Holy shit, so epic

Also, Elbaf hype here we go!

 

[GaimeGuy]

I was going to reply how it's corny because sociopaths don't actually lose out on much since they find their own ways of joy. Or, if they can't, it doesn't really bother them too much, since they don't need any emotional stimulation. The other brothers might never be able to smile like Sanji, but Sanji's never gonna be able to smile like his brothers either. So you know, it's a give and take.

But after thinking about it, I decided that you're actually right. This kind of calls back to how dreams are supposed to be sources of power in OP. OP isn't as explicit or blatant about it as Fairytale or the like, but it's still true. The 3 brothers, without their emotions, are incapable of having dreams. They don't really care about anything, not even their death, so they're pretty much come what may.

Sanji does have a dream, and he draws strength from that. And the difference is in their power. The Vinsmokes as they are need their raid suits to even be a threat in this scenerio. Meanwhile, Sanji's Haki is such that they can't tell whats happening at the wedding and he doesn't need anything extra to compete with Big Mom's crew.

I'm not sure if that was precisely what you were getting at, but I do agree that Sanji being the passionate one meaning he's ultimately the stronger one is thematically resonant with the series.

They're not sociopaths though. They're humans who have been genetically engineered to not have emotions.

They don't feel fear at death.

They don't feel joy at being loved by their father.

They don't feel pride at being royalty.

They don't resent Sanji for being the black sheep.

Behind their facial expressions, there's no warmth, fear, frustration, sadness, embarrassment, nothing.

 

[Imperial Bishop]

If you take out the Big Mom scream, Sanji freeing the Vinsmokes like a boss, and the peek at Elbaf at the end, this chapter was underwhelming.

I'm excited about this flashback, though. Not just because we'll see glimpses of Elbaf, but we're finally going to learn more about Mother Carmel and the true reason for the schism between Big Mom and the Giants.

How much you wanna bet most of Elbaf's kingdoms reside on top that giant tree, which is definitely Yggdrasil?

 

[Ray Down]

OK what will be the length of this flashback?

 

[Imperial Bishop]

Two to three chapters

 

[turmoil]

Until the next break for the two weeks long cliffhanger, so 3 or 4