Blackleg-sanji1
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Its definitely lola.
Also do sanji older brothers not like him? This is gonna be bad
Also do sanji older brothers not like him? This is gonna be bad
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One Piece Manga |OT2| Four Emperors, One King, All Blue
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SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Well, he did apparently run away when he was little. Why wouldn't they hold a grudge?
I'm eagerly awaiting the backstory that shows how Sanji ended up on The Orbit
I'm eagerly awaiting the backstory that shows how Sanji ended up on The Orbit
Not75Drops
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RIP Pekoms lol
Also break next week
Also break next week
Majukun
Member
it's 100% lola,didn't you see nami's reaction?
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Oh man, lots to talk about this one.
85 siblings, god damn. Makes the Loud House look subdued. There has to be a lot of adoption going on, or this is part of Big Mom's Devil Fruit.
Pudding seems really sweet... think she's playing the Straw Hats and is really a psycho? It could happen.
Sanji actually turned her down, or so we're told. That reaction.
Pedro is violently funny. Always suggesting the worst actions.
Pekoms disappearance and message is suspect, and kind of freaky. Hmmm.
And we meet Ichiji and Niji. They don't seem as friendly as Yonji (and he was already an asshole). I'm thinking Ichiji is the Red Ranger and Niji is the Blue Ranger.
Didn't we JUST have a week off? Damn...
85 siblings, god damn. Makes the Loud House look subdued. There has to be a lot of adoption going on, or this is part of Big Mom's Devil Fruit.
Pudding seems really sweet... think she's playing the Straw Hats and is really a psycho? It could happen.
Sanji actually turned her down, or so we're told. That reaction.
Pedro is violently funny. Always suggesting the worst actions.
Pekoms disappearance and message is suspect, and kind of freaky. Hmmm.
And we meet Ichiji and Niji. They don't seem as friendly as Yonji (and he was already an asshole). I'm thinking Ichiji is the Red Ranger and Niji is the Blue Ranger.
Didn't we JUST have a week off? Damn...
Cloud Strife
Member
Pudding is obviously leading them on. It's so obvious!
Pudding why!?!?
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Plz god no just be nice for once. Viola just did the same shit to sanji.
Pudding is obviously leading them on. It's so obvious!
Pudding why!?!?
Besides I think shes genuine.
Pudding is obviously leading them on. It's so obvious!
Pudding why!?!?
Well... Mama already knows they are there and Pekom's was already kidnapped (apparently). It's not like there's any need to send them to a trap, they can be captured at any time.
I want to believe Pudding is good, please don't fuck up Oda!
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Pudding is obviously leading them on. It's so obvious!
Pudding why!?!?
Probably the turn back scratched on the deck should have been obvious. Not like Luffy gives a shit either way
whatsinaname
Member
Choco pasta? Is that pasta with mole sauce? I want to try that...
VGChampion
Member
Pudding could be good still but that slime thing she has around her is suspicious.
Pudding for Strawhat. Pls don't be a trap.
Majukun
Member
Pudding is obviously leading them on. It's so obvious!
Pudding why!?!?
can't see the reason why..they already are on big mom's territory..if she wants them ,she can just send hr crew to take them just like (apparently) they took pekoms..no reason to led them even closer to their objective and only then trap them.
Cloud Strife
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No way. She hasn't had a proper Oda box and she's still hiding that third eye. I'm also not willing to admit she's weaksauce.
Pudding is helping them think that they're on the right track. Perhaps Pudding is the one who leaked their location to Big Mom in the first place?
Nope, he doesn't care at all. Big Mom seems to be very logical and cunning so Luffy is the perfect opponent.
Third eye, etc. She's hiding things.
She also told them the way to get to WCI because it's not like they could just ask. Removing Pekoms is also mysterious since he already knew the way. How do we know Pudding is telling the truth?
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Couldn't Pudding and three eyes be different people? Especially if Lola has a lookalike sister.
Song of the Turtle
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I love how Lola is the only daughter that can actually choose her groom... but is so desperate to get one that she basically proposes to anyone.
Edit: Oh, and Nami knows.
Edit: Oh, and Nami knows.
Majukun
Member
they didn't exactly kept a low profile,so anyone really could have leaked their presence to big mom
also,again,what's the gain in leading them closer to their objective when you can just trap them on cacao island,with their ship completely unguarded and send the storng guys there?
sanji is hiding his asymmetrical eyebrows too..he is also gonna betray luffy or something?
according to pudding that route is known only to the siblings,so pekoms doesn't know that
we can't know she is telling the truth or not,but we can know big mom would gain nothing by trapping them on whole ake siland,closer to sanji,instead than just doing it right now on cacao island...we are already on big mom's territory, they are already in the position to get trapped
also,if anything the one thing that made them met is luffy's and chopper gluttony..it's not like it's her that approached them,it's them whom ate her cafè..you can start a trap from something you have no idea someone would do.
Majukun
Member
it's possible,but the slime seems to indicate they are the same person
If anything it would make him want to keep going even more.
I think they are one and the same based on the slime. Doesn't mean she's going to betray the crew though.
AgentLampshade
Member
Love Nami's little pang of recognition at the mention of (presumably) Lola, I guess Lola going off on her own means any potential mercy from Big Mom for saving her is gone. I'm still concerned at Puddings third eye, it's definitely going to come into play soon (unless it belongs to another of her sister's,which is totally likely.)
Omnistalgic
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Guys stop trying to police, the thread is fine.
Good chapter as usual, been taking a break from reading it week to week, and going back and reading the dressrosa arc. I gotta say, I still don't like hardly anything about Gear 4 and tbh, haven't had as much fun with OP since the timeskip. I feel like Oda keeps introducing new things because they are just fun to the imagination and very colorful, but getting back to the biggest issues of the series, its characters, I dunno, starting to lose interest. I hope it gets back to epic "Save Robin" like arcs soon. It should, this entire thing is about Sanji, but between fishmen island and dressrosa, feels like a lot of forgettable stuff happened.
Good chapter as usual, been taking a break from reading it week to week, and going back and reading the dressrosa arc. I gotta say, I still don't like hardly anything about Gear 4 and tbh, haven't had as much fun with OP since the timeskip. I feel like Oda keeps introducing new things because they are just fun to the imagination and very colorful, but getting back to the biggest issues of the series, its characters, I dunno, starting to lose interest. I hope it gets back to epic "Save Robin" like arcs soon. It should, this entire thing is about Sanji, but between fishmen island and dressrosa, feels like a lot of forgettable stuff happened.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Pekoms was never really trustworthy to begin with.
I was just thinking the opposite thing today. I initially didn't like New World as much as part 1 of OP, but as everything comes together I love the epic Pirate War feel that it has going for it, and how everything ties into everything else so well. From the very beginning New World has been setting up events like pieces of a puzzle - Reverie, Luffy and Big Mom, Kaido and his SMILE factory being tied to Doflamingo who himself was hyped up in part 1 of the series, Wano constantly being foreshadowed, the throne wars, everything fits together so well. Coming off of Marineford, it felt like the series "reset" itself in a way by going low key again, but it's paying off in spades now and retroactively makes the earlier New World arcs extremely enjoyable.
Cloud Strife
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Alright Maju, let's do this all day and quote each other into oblivion, only to discover that we are arguing semantics.
Yup, and so could Pudding.
Why would Big Mom want to cause chaos on one of her own islands? Big Mom wants Luffy, and since she already knows he's here then obviously she wants to see him personally.
He kinda did, actually (don't take betrayal literally). Or did Sanji mention the Vinsmoke family earlier in the series? Regardless, the point is that she's still hiding something so making a strawman here doesn't help your argument.
So they were just going to sail around and get lucky? lol
So why haven't they been trapped yet...I don't understand what you're trying to say. I think you're taking trap literally, I see it as Big Mom using Pudding to guide Luffy towards her in a controlled manner.
It's not outside the realm of possibility. This is Big Mom. Pudding could have met them regardless, the cafe was just a coincidence.
The Last Wizard
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And here we go with the breaks...
Cloud Strife
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I also wonder how Lola left in the first place. Does Big Mom not like her? Thriller Bark is a pretty isolated place too so she probably had no idea
grandjedi6
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The "turn back" threat is probably from Aladdin. Jinbei likely told him to try and dissuade or distract Luffy from getting to the wedding and Aladdin, not knowing Luffy, thought a threat would work. He probably also kidnapped Pekoms so that they would lose their guide to Cake Island, not realizing that Pudding gave them a map already.
I think Lola may have been disowned for leaving, so Big Mom didn't even bother looking for her. With the supposed intelligence network she has, that's the only explanation that doesn't have a Yonko kicking in Thriller Bark's front door.
Majukun
Member
be my guest
of course
in that case why she needs a trap at all?
luffy is goign to whole cake island anyway,with or without pudding's intervention..if you wanna drive him there to meet him,just sit your ass and wait for him to arrive
i was just saying that her keeping hidden an imperfection on her face doesn't make her any more suspicious or a potential betrayer,especially when sanji is just as culprit of that and it's as loyal as he can be.
pudding knows how to arrive there and stay undetected
pekoms knows how to go to whole cake island,but his objective was never to stay undetected during the travel,but more about using his rank to pass any kind of control,just like they did here at choco island.
i'm saying that we are already in big mom's territory,if she wants to attack him,he can do it on cacao island just as easily than on whole cake island,with the added benefit that doing it on cacao island means that luffy is kept as far aspossible rom sanji,instead of being on the same island.
Also,as i said before,if all she wants is for luffy to go to whole cake island,she doesn't need a trap since he is already going there and her territory is surveilled enough (with all those sea slugs and all) that she can know from what direction he'll arrive and prepare a trap.
basically making his voyage to whole cake island easier doesn't have any advantage,he was going to whole cake anyway and you are making him arrive fresh as a flower instead of making him fight his way to your base,since we already saw that they have those heavily armed "tarte" around totland
she coudln't even predicted they would have stopped at the island anyway,they had to because luffy's wasted all their food and they needed to replenish their storage,otherwise no real reason to stop here instead of going straight to whole cake
i think it's implied that it's scratched on the wall of the bathroom,so that only pekoms,having actual claws,could have left it.
You'd think Jinbei would know to mention that threats would only make it worse, I mean he does know Luffy pretty well at this point.
Majukun
Member
well,to be honest thriller bark is probably the only one place out of big mom's grasp,being hidden in the florian triangle in the middle of the fog...of course she might still know that moria was hidden there,but probably can't know what is going on there and who is trapped
Sanji turned down a woman?!
well he also left without thinking twice viola when the group on the sunny was attacked,so it's not like the first time he put his crew in front of a woman...and just as with pudding,sanji was probably going to "get lucky" with her if he stayed
Ganzlinger
Member
I'm not sure if Pudding really met Sanji or it was one of his siblings. Like, why would you put a scene of character development like that off-screen and with a black silhouette? It's unlikely but possible. Sanji is missing for three chapters now, he might be doing something important like a plan.
Yeah, the black silhouette was the weird part to me. Either she met the wrong guy, didn't actually meet him, or "met" him through her third eye.
Then again, Oda is really particular about when he draws specific things. He often hides characters' eyes until we've properly "met them". He may simply be planning a very important scene showing Pudding and Sanji together and just didn't want to ruin it by showing them together outside of that scene.
mrmickfran
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85 kids.
How deep is that hole?
How deep is that hole?
Cloud Strife
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Gladly.
Okay?
Yeah, and when they arrive she's going to let them do whatever they want. Nope. She's going to control them because they are her "guests". This isn't a fun visit. Pudding guides them to where Big Mom wants them to go. I don't see how that's unreasonable. Maybe Pekoms was going to take them somewhere else ala the "front door"?
How? She's hiding something form them, just like she hid her eye from Sanji (this part is key). Why not show it at all? You can't really compare an opposite eyebrow to a whole third eye.
Strange how she willingly gives them a route to go undetected, eh? It's as if she doesn't want them to run into trouble before reaching Big Mom. Hmm...
Yeah, so what I'm saying is that Big Mom would have done it then. She wants Luffy to reach her undetected and Pudding just so happened to help them out.
You're taking trap so so literally. A trap as in Pudding is luring them to Whole Cake Island. Not as in "surprise! I got you!" We know Big Mom to be controlling and logical so this makes sense.
Also you're contradicting yourself in claiming Big Mom doesn't need to set a "trap" and she should just wait for them, and then saying she can just get them whenever she wants. She is just waiting for them. She hasn't captured them yet. This is the "trap".
They had to check in their arrival, remember? You just said the same thing above re: Pekoms.
No one else has claws in the world? Okay. Regardless this is a moot point, and I've said my piece to the core of my argument above. So instead of getting into really specific and pointless details, address the above.
Your turn.
Omnistalgic
Member
yea I'm starting to feel that now, like pieces are coming together. But fishmen island was like thriller bark, very forgettable and only a few cool moments. Invested time reading it week in and week out didn't feel rewarding. Dressrosa definitely picked it up some, but I just didn't like Gear 4 much.
It feels like the meat of the story is really just getting started with big Mom. I think Fishmen island and Dressrosa could have both been shorter
Ganzlinger
Member
But that would be the perfect scene to show them together. I don't get it. There is still a small possibility that Pudding is lying. I think she is genuinely good but she is being too forgiving, it's suspicious. Sanji was last seen going to talk to his dad and now he already met Pudding, Big Mom was asking if Sanji already arrived in the last chapter (827), so I think she would have already known if he met his daughter. Could be nothing, but could be something too. Can't trust Pudding 100%. It could be a trap.
TheRealTalker
Banned
Nami kept on Giving Pudding the look
if it was jealously... relating to her.... or suspicion who knows
I really, really hope Pudding is a genuinely good
if it was jealously... relating to her.... or suspicion who knows
I really, really hope Pudding is a genuinely good
Definitely, whole thing seems so perfect, and Oda even seems to be making a gag out of how perfect and responsible Pudding is.
Part of me wonders if the whole thing is being set up so that Big Mom can get access to Nico Robin. It'd be pretty roundabout, but it could be that Big Mom saw a weakness in the Germa 66, and then jumped when everyone realized that Sanji was alive and part of the Straw Hat crew, moving to force the Straw Hats to either become her subordinate or use Sanji as collateral in order to get to Robin. She'll be pissed when she finds out Robin isn't even with them.
Cloud Strife
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Good point. I think it's definitely either this, and this was also foreshadowed in Zou with Catviper, or she wants Luffy's D. (the one in his name).
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