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[Netherscourge]

Change the OT to the "PS4K" and you're all set.

 

[Ombala]

Wanna make an avatar bet Jeff?

 

[Adam Tyner]

Adam's post above seems to imply that Microsoft insuring the XB1 hardware can support UHD Blu-ray in 2013 has no bearing on their implementing it due to the long time since the XB1 was released.

Microsoft said in 2013 that the Xbox One would support a format years off on the horizon, and they haven't uttered a word about it since. I don't put a lot of stock in a statement that far past its sell-by date. UHD BD as it was envisioned as being in 2013 may not resemble the product of 2016 as closely as they expected. If it's imminent and inevitable, why is neither camp reaffirming support?

I'm not arguing that Microsoft won't support UHD BD, mind you. I'm just in the camp that the answer is "no" until someone credible says it's "yes", and an answer predating the format by multiple years doesn't count.

 

[Fisty]

4K blu ray stands as much chance in the market as SACD - it'll be niche at best. It might be different if the format was backwards compatible (e.g. both resolutions residing on different layers that their respective players could see) but it isn't.

I don't see Sony making any effort to support the format in the existing PS4 hardware and even if a PS 4.5 appears it is no guarantee they'll bother there either. It depends if the cost of implementing the hardware encumbers every device with an expense that they hope to recoup. I guess we'll see.

Really? You dont see Sony doing UHD in PS4/4.5? The same company that launched PS3 for about half the cost of a Blu Ray player? Sony has the means, motive, and mindshare to push UHD just like BR, I see absolutely no possibility of them not putting UHD support in their console as soon as UHD BR's hit the market

 

[Shin-Ra]

You cannot set the ps4 to display at 3840x2160 in any way, shape, or form. If you are looking at a 4k photo or video through the media player, the TV still has the ps4 set at 1080p.

So, currently, the ps4 does not support 4k, PERIOD.

You can't set 2160p30 through the PDM, but PlayMemories forces it with an in-app option.

The UI is upscaled but photos and thumbnail previews aren't.

 

[Adam Tyner]

I see absolutely no possibility of them not putting UHD support in their console as soon as UHD BR's hit the market

The first UHD BD player and a couple dozen discs are already on store shelves. (I have two discs in-hand myself!)

 

[ZOONAMI]

"PERIOD"? Relax, buddy. It supports HDMI 1.4a which means that via HDMI it supports 4k. That it is currently not possible doesn't mean it's not technically possible. Still the HDMI output limits the 4k possibility to just render images other than anything useful for animated pictures.

You can't set 2160p30 through the PDM, but PlayMemories forces it with an in-app option.

The UI is upscaled but photos and thumbnail previews aren't.

I said currently, not that it isn't possible. I stand corrected because of playmemories.

The playmemories piece is interesting. So just the playmemories ui is in 4k, but not the photos themselves?

 

[dcelw540]

The first UHD BD player and a couple dozen discs are already on store shelves. (I have two discs in-hand myself!)

Why's that piece of shit on the right on your counter?

 

[DrXym]

Really? You dont see Sony doing UHD in PS4/4.5? The same company that launched PS3 for about half the cost of a Blu Ray player? Sony has the means, motive, and mindshare to push UHD just like BR, I see absolutely no possibility of them not putting UHD support in their console as soon as UHD BR's hit the market

I didn't say UHD, I said Blu Ray Ultra HD. Implementing 4K video is considerably easier since it could be H264 streamed and doesn't require any hardware modifications. I expect PS4s will support 4K streaming over Netflix and similar services. Supporting a hardware format with the additional expense and testing required is another matter. Maybe they will in 4.5, or maybe they won't. It's extremely unlikely the existing PS4 is capable of supporting the format.

 

[Adam Tyner]

Why's that piece of shit on the right on your counter?

Morbid curiosity. I've been reading FF comics for decades, and I felt compelled to watch this one even knowing what a complete misfire it'd be. FoxConnect had (well, still does) a pretty good deal going that brought the disc down to $18 and change shipped, and that was good enough for me.

I didn't think it was as dismal as most people made it out to be, although Trank and company fundamentally don't understand what makes the Fantastic Four special, and basically nothing about the third act works. The family dynamic that defines the FF is woefully absent, the movie doesn't really get what to do with Sue or Johnny (or anyone else, really, but the Storms especially suffer), they're not anything resembling a team until the final 15 minutes or so, and they don't actually work together until the flick is basically over. Still, I'd rather watch this one than Rise of the Silver Surfer, not that I'd chalk that up as a win.

 

[ZOONAMI]

I didn't say UHD, I said Blu Ray Ultra HD. Implementing 4K video is considerably easier since it could be H264 streamed and doesn't require any hardware modifications. I expect PS4s will support 4K streaming over Netflix and similar services. Supporting a hardware format with the additional expense and testing required is another matter. Maybe they will in 4.5, or maybe they won't. It's extremely unlikely the existing PS4 is capable of supporting the format.

Netflix and Amazon streaming require hdcp 2.2 support.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

To me it seems like PS4 as a console is 4K ready, but it may not happen due to the bluray lens not ready for it.

We may see PS4K, a newer slim-like revision which may play it, making this technically correct.

Like I was saying...

 

[family_guy]

The first UHD BD player and a couple dozen discs are already on store shelves. (I have two discs in-hand myself!)

One of these does not belong.

 

[Shin-Ra]

I said currently, not that it isn't possible. I stand corrected because of playmemories.

The playmemories piece is interesting. So just the playmemories ui is in 4k, but not the photos themselves?

No, the UI is upscaled but the photo content is native res.

 

[jeff_rigby]

Microsoft said in 2013 that the Xbox One would support a format years off on the horizon, and they haven't uttered a word about it since. I don't put a lot of stock in a statement that far past its sell-by date. UHD BD as it was envisioned as being in 2013 may not resemble the product of 2016 as closely as they expected. If it's imminent and inevitable, why is neither camp reaffirming support?

I'm not arguing that Microsoft won't support UHD BD, mind you. I'm just in the camp that the answer is "no" until someone credible says it's "yes", and an answer predating the format by multiple years doesn't count.

Adam, when Microsoft and Sony announce support for Playready ND, Playready Embedded with OS software to support UHD Blu-ray will depend on what they feel is necessary for them to make money and not alienate their partners.

The problem here is I am 2 years too early in announcing what is coming and you can't see it. If you read the cites in my posts for the last 1.5 years it's obvious and confirms UHD Blu-ray, IPTV and TV with Downloadable security scheme for Cable TV are all planned by the CE industry. HTML5 the common software stack (with W3C extensions like DLNA) and Playready the common DRM make this possible.

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ATSC 2 and 3 including provisions for DRM is a game changer allowing what were Premium Cable TV channels on Antenna TV. I've said before that ATSC 3 (4K antenna TV) is a game changer and Cable TV only channels will migrate to Antenna TV because of the larger audience in Cell Phones and Cars, smaller antennas, wider coverage and 4X more channels than we have now. Is no one getting this?

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How many PCs can support Playready embedded with Root of Trust boot and TEE; add to that HEVC profile 10 decode and encode Those are required for Playready porting kit 3, Playready ND and UHD Blu-ray Digital Bridge. How many PCs can support secure DVR for 1080P, 4k AND a Downloadable Security scheme for Cable TV? All XB1, Carrizo and PS4 (Speculation) NOTHING MORE.

How many PCs can support Playready 2.5 and Playready ND for streaming 1080P and supporting a HD Blu-ray Digital bridge and DVR for 1080P? AMD APUs, PS4, XB1, PS3, and a few Intel APUs.

The Key I think is supporting 4K antenna TV; DVR with in home streaming and 4k Digital bridge in home streaming. Most of the 4K antenna TV content will be 1080P and lower resolution.

So is Microsoft waiting for Intel to catchup to AMD?

 

[Adam Tyner]

The problem here is I am 2 years too early in announcing what is coming and you can't see it.

Let's recap!

How do rumors start? What was probably said; Sony promised the PS4 would get 4k blu-ray support at the end of the year [2015]. Is that a Software update or Hardware? One author assumed it was a Hardware update while I've shown the most serious hardware obstacle was HDCP 2.2 for the HDMI port and that has a firmware updatable solution.

I expect Microsoft will announce 4K blu-ray on Windows 10 with standard blu-ray drives provided the Hardware has a newer dGPU or APU with TEE where the HDCP for HDMI 2 takes place. It's already been leaked as to what 4K playing requires but not that standard drives can be used... Microsoft has the October 6th [, 2015] Windows 10 media briefing.

So, your first target was early October 2015 for the Xbox One (for at least the announcement of what's to come) and actual support before the end of 2015 for the PS4.

You also said that Samsung already had its first Ultra HD Blu-ray player on store shelves by last October -- not "coming soon" but "already out as of September 2015" -- with the first wave of discs coming later that month. You weren't even aware about the rather widely publicized announcement that UHD BD was being pushed back to 2016, nevermind the fact that nothing and no one ever said anything about a September or October release in the first place, showing that you don't exactly have your finger on the pulse of things.

PS4 Firmware update 4.0 to support 4K media in 2016 by March.

...so you bump it to March.

Waiting for Firmware 3.5 features to confirm no Media updates. In which case October with Firmware 4.0 is to support Playstation VR and 4K Media/Vidipath...same OP.

...and then you bump it to October 2016 (around a year after your first target).

The problem here is I am 2 years too early in announcing what is coming and you can't see it.

...and that brings us to now. 2 years after the thread was started would put it at Summer 2017.

How much further back can you keep moving the goalposts?

 

[kvn]

The problem here is I am 2 years too early in announcing what is coming and you can't see it.

I cannot stop laughing.

 

[giant_frying_pan]

The PS4K will support 8K blu-ray.

 

[jeff_rigby]

Let's recap!

So, your first target was early October 2015 for the Xbox One (for at least the announcement of what's to come) and actual support before the end of 2015 for the PS4.

You also said that Samsung already had its first Ultra HD Blu-ray player on store shelves by last October -- not "coming soon" but "already out as of September 2015" -- with the first wave of discs coming later that month. You weren't even aware about the rather widely publicized announcement that UHD BD was being pushed back to 2016, nevermind the fact that nothing and no one ever said anything about a September or October release in the first place, showing that you don't exactly have your finger on the pulse of things.

...so you bump it to March.

...and then you bump it to October 2016 (around a year after your first target).

...and that brings us to now. 2 years after the thread was started would put it at Summer 2017.

How much further back can you keep moving the goalposts?

Yup, I'm almost always wrong about when. I made the assumption that Vidipath would be implemented when the FCC mandated the Cable Companies support it. Then the next 6 month major firmware update then Firmware update 4.0 (October) since 3.5 (March) doesn't appear to support media.

If I had dates then I would be an inside source. I only have a roadmap of features found with the reading I've done and I cite those here. The FCC DSTAC downloadable security scheme is in a two year review before it can be mandated, the cable companies can voluntarily implement it at any time. ATSC 3 is due to reach recommend status at the end of this year but will have limited support as TV stations have to switch over from ATSC 1 to ATSC 3.

The role that HD Blu-ray played was to provide media for 1080P and S3D before ATSC 2 was released which would use the blu-ray codec to support higher resolutions and the browser to support XTV. ATSC 2 was never implemented and we are near ATSC 3 release. UHD Blu-ray players are being released that can provide 1080P and 4K media in preparation for ATSC 3 (4K Antenna TV) using HEVC. This time there is IPTV for 1080P and 4K with major cities able to support it. Logically IPTV and UHD Blu-ray come before ATSC 3 which is candidate status by the end of 2016 and the Olympics will be broadcast in Korea by Feb 2018. The FCC road-map tentatively has full switch-over to ATSC 3 and the elimination of ATSC 1 TV stations by 2020. These are Key dates that can be used to guess at when.

There is much discussion about the switch-over date with speculation that it will be accelerated this time and much faster than the NTSC to ATSC analog to digital transition. This is because the FCC has sold and is selling UHD TV spectrum to Cell phone companies and the amount left to the TV industry won't allow for duplicate ATSC and ATSC 3 stations at the same time.

 

[TurboButts]

Keep fighting the good fight Jeff. This is an incredible thread.

 

[Insane Metal]

I cannot stop laughing.

Hahahahahahaha

 

[bmcphail2008]

Yup, I'm almost always wrong about when. I made the assumption that Vidipath would be implemented when the FCC mandated the Cable Companies support it. Then the next 6 month major firmware update then Firmware update 4.0 (October) since 3.5 (March) doesn't appear to support media.

If I had dates then I would be an inside source. I only have a roadmap of features found with the reading I've done and I cite those here. The FCC DSTAC downloadable security scheme is in a two year review before it can be mandated, the cable companies can voluntarily implement it at any time. ATSC 3 is due to reach recommend status at the end of this year but will have limited support as TV stations have to switch over from ATSC 1 to ATSC 3.

The role that HD Blu-ray played was to provide media for 1080P and S3D before ATSC 2 was released which would use the blu-ray codec to support higher resolutions and the browser to support XTV. ATSC 2 was never implemented and we are near ATSC 3 release. UHD Blu-ray players are being released that can provide 1080P and 4K media in preparation for ATSC 3 (4K Antenna TV) using HEVC. This time there is IPTV for 1080P and 4K with major cities able to support it. Logically IPTV and UHD Blu-ray come before ATSC 3 which is candidate status by the end of 2016 and the Olympics will be broadcast in Korea by Feb 2018. The FCC road-map tentatively has full switch-over to ATSC 3 and the elimination of ATSC 1 TV stations by 2020. These are Key dates that can be used to guess at when.

There is much discussion about the switch-over date with speculation that it will be accelerated this time and much faster than the NTSC to ATSC analog to digital transition. This is because the FCC has sold and is selling UHD TV spectrum to Cell phone companies and the amount left to the TV industry won't allow for duplicate ATSC and ATSC 3 stations at the same time.

Not sure what any of this has to do with your original post. You claimed that the regular old launch PS4 would support 4K blu ray discs. It doesn't and it won't. Just admit you're wrong and move on. All of your other gibberish is just making you look like a fool.

 

[jeff_rigby]

Not sure what any of this has to do with your original post. You claimed that the regular old launch PS4 would support 4K blu ray discs. It doesn't and it won't. Just admit you're wrong and move on. All of your other gibberish is just making you look like a fool.

Eurogamer: Independently confirms source that the PS4.5 is real, referred as PS 4K. Likely it's a PS4 slim with sliding top and ships with Firmware 4.0.

Tweet line 4-6 read like a firmware update to use the GPGPU that was NOT previously accessible to game developers. "The Console will have more power but is primarily for System + Media + VR".

I believe the Xtensa processors (True Audio and video accelerators) are finally going to be used which frees up a CPU and GPU cycles giving a slight potential increase in performance and up-scaling. No increase for older PS4 software but newer games that use the APIs provided by Sony don't have to use a CPU for Audio or GPU for some of the GPGPU.
This is all hardware in the PS4 Southbridge TEE where the Movie industry requires all 4K media be processed from AACS decrypt to HDCP encrypt.

PS4 Additional hardware: GPU-like Compute module, some resources reserved by the OS
"However, there's a fair amount of "secret sauce" in Orbis and we can disclose details on one of the more interesting additions. Paired up with the eight AMD cores, we find a bespoke GPU-like "Compute" module, designed to ease the burden on certain operations. We're assured that this is bespoke hardware that is not a part of the main graphics pipeline but we remain rather mystified by its standalone inclusion, bearing in mind Compute functions could be run off the main graphics cores and that devs could have the option to utilise that power for additional graphical grunt, if they so chose." For the PS4 we know Tensilica DSPs are in the PS4 likely in the ARM Southbridge and maybe Xtensa IVPs.

Durango additional graphics hardware - "rumours have circulated for quite some time that it is some way behind Orbis, but equally there has been the suggestion that the GPU itself is supplemented by additional task-specific hardware. We could not confirm this, but an ex-Microsoft staffer with a prior relationship with the Xbox team says that two of these modules are graphics-related."

Hardware for Media Hub features in both the XB1 and PS4 "kinda confirmed"

It's likely that AMD and Microsoft will update the drivers and firmware at the same time to support the same hardware they have in the XB1 and AMD APUs.

 

[Elios83]

Jeff I don't understand what you're trying to accomplish?
The current PS4 can't and won't support Ultra HD (4K) Blu Ray. It hasn't even a drive capable of reading such discs.
This thread and the constant posting of papers you find around has no sense, you're just wrong on this.
Wait for the updated PS4 Slim model if you're interested in 4K medias.

 

[Adam Tyner]

Tweet line 4-6 read like a firmware update to use the GPGPU that was NOT previously accessible to game developers. "The Console will have more power but is primarily for System + Media + VR".

...but the entire point of what you're referencing is a new SKU: not the existing PS4.

 

[Gestault]

The title of this thread has made it factually dubious for so long. If anything, the rumor of the PS4K is the strongest counterpoint to the original speculation.

 

[jeff_rigby]

...but the entire point of what you're referencing is a new SKU: not the existing PS4.

This time we are probably getting a PS4 slim and Firmware 4 at the same time. The PS3 slim launched for less at a time when the PS3 sales were declining. PS4 sales dropped last quarter for the first time.

What part in the PS4 can upgrade "System + Media + VR" without changing the APU which would be expensive for no purpose if it's only slightly more powerful? With ATSC3 reaching candidate status by the end of 2016 means all the standards are in place and those standards are also used for UHD IPTV and Blu-ray.

The thrust of PS4 sales will change from AAA games to casual/AR and Media which have a larger audience.

 

[onQ123]

The title of this thread has made it factually dubious for so long. If anything, the rumor of the PS4K is the strongest counterpoint to the original speculation.

Not really because it could be just the right time to support 4K Blu-ray.

PS4 isn't going to be able to support 60fps 4K so having PS4 as the 1st taste of 4K Blu-rays might have been a bad idea but if they have a PS4 out that can show it in it's full glory it wouldn't be so bad to also support it with the PS4 that's not showing the full story.

Right now 4K Blu-rays are not selling fast enough to make it a big deal so it could just be on the back burner for the FW team but if the PS4.5 kick start the sells like it did for Blu-ray it will be worth the time to go through whatever they have to go through to get it working.

 

[Gillian Seed]

PS4.5 sounds stupid!

 

[Gestault]

Not really because it could be just the right time to support 4K Blu-ray.

PS4 isn't going to be able to support 60fps 4K so having PS4 as the 1st taste of 4K Blu-rays might have been a bad idea but if they have a PS4 out that can show it in it's full glory it wouldn't be so bad to also support it with the PS4 that's not showing the full story.

Right now 4K Blu-rays are not selling fast enough to make it a big deal so it could just be on the back burner for the FW team but if the PS4.5 kick start the sells like it did for Blu-ray it will be worth the time to go through whatever they have to go through to get it working.

The way I'm seeing it, if updated hardware is required for Sony to be able to market/release a 4K-friendly version of the PS4, it's very unlikely that a software solution was feasible, and it's even less likely that after releasing that updated hardware, they would then update the older version via software.

 

[herod]

This time we are probably getting a PS4 slim and Firmware 4 at the same time. The PS3 slim launched for less at a time when the PS3 sales were declining. PS4 sales dropped last quarter for the first time.

What part in the PS4 can upgrade "System + Media + VR" without changing the APU which would be expensive for no purpose if it's only slightly more powerful? With ATSC3 reaching candidate status by the end of 2016 means all the standards are in place and those standards are also used for UHD IPTV and Blu-ray.

The thrust of PS4 sales will change from AAA games to casual/AR and Media which have a larger audience.

unbelievable goalpost moving, lol

stop wasting everyone's time and take your bullshit to a blog

 

[jeff_rigby]

unbelievable goalpost moving, lol

stop wasting everyone's time and take your bullshit to a blog

Yup, you've convinced me with your emotional outburst. Only the launch XB1 will support UHD Blu-ray and the PS4 needs a hardware update. So 60 million PS4s can't support any form of UHD media and the XB1 can support UHD Blu-ray and digital bridge with Playready ND streaming between platforms. Microsoft is King, Patcher was correct and Sony will soon die because they have no vision.

The Xbox One supports both 3D and 4K Blu-ray discs at present. “There’s no hardware restriction at all,” said Microsoft’s Yusuf Mehdi at the time to Forbes.

But Microsoft has no UHD Blu-ray software and Sony does: https://www.blu-raydisc.info/licensee-list/flla-rom4-licenseelist.php The companies getting the BD-ROM V.4 License are listed

Media Memory-Tech Holdings Inc., Sonopress GmbH, Sony Corporation, TECHNICOLOR SA

Movie Player/Game Console/Test Player Dongguan Digital AV Technology Corp Funai Electric Co., Panasonic, Samsung Electronics, Sony Corporation

PC Drive Hitachi-LG Data Storage, Inc.

PC Application Software CyberLink Corporation, sMedio, Inc., Sony Corporation

Authoring System Jargon Technologies LLC

Component Socionext, Inc. Sony Corporation, ViXS Systems Inc.

Tools & Manufacturing Equipment/Testers Sony Corporation

Commercial Audiovisual Content Deluxe Media Inc. Panasonic Corporation, Japan, Radius60 Studios LLC, Sony Corporation, TBS SERVICE, INC

That Sony is listed almost everywhere but Microsoft isn't and Sony has a UHD PC application licence means Microsoft Windows 10 platforms including the XB1 will use either Cyberlink, sMedia or Sony PC applications.

Won't it be a hoot that the PS4 has no UHD Blu-ray support and Sony provides the UHD Player for the XB1. Sony is supporting UHD media everywhere but in the Launch PS4 while Microsoft could? How stupid is that? How much bullshit must I take from people who are too lazy to read? Blog??? It only seems so because I don't roll over and give up nor do I stop trying to prove a speculation or accept just a quote from a Microsoft or Sony VP.

 

[Adam Tyner]

It only seems so because I don't roll over and give up

What could you be giving up, exactly? What do you hope to accomplish?

or accept just a quote from a Microsoft or Sony VP.

Um, you've repeatedly accepted quotes from Microsoft and Sony VPs -- it's just that you cherrypick the ones that meet your predetermined conclusion.

 

[Wag]

The first UHD BD player and a couple dozen discs are already on store shelves. (I have two discs in-hand myself!)

What is wrong with you? 😁

 

[Wiped89]

What is wrong with you? 😁

Yup, you've convinced me with your emotional outburst. Only the launch XB1 will support UHD Blu-ray and the PS4 needs a hardware update. So 60 million PS4s can't support any form of UHD media and the XB1 can support UHD Blu-ray and digital bridge with Playready ND streaming between platforms. Microsoft is King, Patcher was correct and Sony will soon die because they have no vision.
But Microsoft has no UHD Blu-ray software and Sony does: https://www.blu-raydisc.info/licensee-list/flla-rom4-licenseelist.php The companies getting the BD-ROM V.4 License are listed
That Sony is listed almost everywhere but Microsoft isn't and Sony has a UHD PC application licence means Microsoft Windows 10 platforms including the XB1 will use either Cyberlink, sMedia or Sony PC applications.

Won't it be a hoot that the PS4 has no UHD Blu-ray support and Sony provides the UHD Player for the XB1. Sony is supporting UHD media everywhere but in the Launch PS4 while Microsoft could?

The only reason Sony is listed is because Sony is one of the founding companies of the bluray Disc Association so of course they are going to be listed all over anything to do with bluray including UHD Bluray. It means nothing for the PS4 and has nothing to do with the PS4.

You are correct in your sarcasm: 60million launch PS4s will not be able to play UHD media. And even if it were technically possible, which it isn't, Sony would save it for an upgraded model like PS4.5 to make people upgrade anyway.

 

[MANGOD]

Such denial

 

[Guardian Monkey]

How many people here have $30,000 4k projectors to even support this right now?

 

[Kawngi]

The first UHD BD player and a couple dozen discs are already on store shelves. (I have two discs in-hand myself!)

Neither of these are even 'real' 4K blurays

http://4kblurays.com/

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Um, you've repeatedly accepted quotes from Microsoft and Sony VPs -- it's just that you cherrypick the ones that meet your predetermined conclusion.

Why don't you find quotes that state otherwise.

 

[Raist]

PS4 sales dropped last quarter for the first time.

... wut?

 

[Adam Tyner]

How many people here have $30,000 4k projectors to even support this right now?

Projectors are through the roof, but UHD TVs are pretty reasonably priced these days.

Why don't you find quotes that state otherwise.

C'mon, this thread isn't that long. Go back a couple of pages to the whole thing with Masayasu Ito (who leads the engineering side of the PS4) saying that UHD BD support with the launch PS4 isn't possible. There is literally no one at Sony in a greater position of authority to speak on this than him.

I can't find a vaguely recent quote from anyone at Microsoft saying a word -- affirming, denying, or anything in between -- about UHD BD support for the Xbox One. That's what I mean, though. Jeff repeatedly references a nearly 3 year old quote from someone at Microsoft about "4K Blu-ray" as proof, but if someone from Microsoft were to say that support isn't coming, he'd dismiss that altogether. It's exactly what he did with Ito's statement.

Neither of these are even 'real' 4K blurays

At the end of the day, though, they are Ultra HD Blu-ray discs. Also, UHD BD does have a lot more to offer than resolution.

 

[Guardian Monkey]

Projectors are through the roof, but UHD TVs are pretty reasonably priced these days.

I dont get the point of 4k tv. Tvs are too small to have a large gain compared 1080p. Monitors yes ... projectors yes.

Unless you sit directly in front of your tv like 4' away you arent really going to tell the difference.

 

[MANGOD]

I dont get the point of 4k tv. Tvs are too small to have a large gain compared 1080p. Monitors yes ... projectors yes.

Unless you sit directly in front of your tv like 4' away you arent really going to tell the difference.

Im guessing you still have a 480p crt 32 inch tv with bullshit talk like that.

 

[Guardian Monkey]

Im guessing you have a still have a 480p crt 32 inch with bullshit talk like that.

Actually I am using a 40" 4k samsung tv as a monitor which I am typing on right now, so I would say I have a pretty good idea what I am talking about.

 

[Markitron]

I dont get the point of 4k tv. Tvs are too small to have a large gain compared 1080p. Monitors yes ... projectors yes.

Unless you sit directly in front of your tv like 4' away you arent really going to tell the difference.

I'm guessing you haven't actually seen any 4K content.

 

[pswii60]

I dont get the point of 4k tv. Tvs are too small to have a large gain compared 1080p. Monitors yes ... projectors yes.

Unless you sit directly in front of your tv like 4' away you arent really going to tell the difference.

Complete nonsense.

With a 55" at 6' away the difference is obvious. With UHD content everything is on another level, just so pin sharp and clear, there's so much more depth to the image that you find yourself staring at the background at all the detail. Obviously if you're viewing heavily compressed content then the difference isn't going to be anywhere near as obvious.

The other advantage of UHD is how beautifully the upscale both 720p and 1080p content and you lose the horrible obvious screen door effect of native 1080p TVs at 46"+.

I remember all this when HD first launched, people saying they couldn't tell the difference. Some spectacles required methinks.

 

[Guardian Monkey]

I'm guessing you haven't actually seen any 4K content.

Sure I have.

 

[Guardian Monkey]

Complete nonsense.

With a 55" at 6' away the difference is obvious. With UHD content everything is on another level, just so pin sharp and clear, there's so much more depth to the image that you find yourself staring at the background at all the detail. Obviously if you're viewing heavily compressed content then the difference isn't going to be anywhere near as obvious.

The other advantage of UHD is how beautifully the upscale both 720p and 1080p content and you lose the horrible obvious screen door effect of native 1080p TVs at 46"+.

I remember all this when HD first launched, people saying they couldn't tell the difference. Some spectacles required methinks.

 

[Markitron]

Sure I have.

Do you mind if I ask what it was? It would have to have been something pretty poor to have convinced you that 4K makes no difference on a TV.

 

[Guardian Monkey]

i am not bashing 4k at all. For close viewing and larger screens it has its applications. It is in a weird place with tvs thats all.