Sounds like for most people upgrading from Yosemite to El Cap boosts performance, so I'd say you're not risking much upgrading.
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OS X El Capitan [OT]
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Sounds like for most people upgrading from Yosemite to El Cap boosts performance, so I'd say you're not risking much upgrading.
Yes you should.
If you can afford to, buying an SSD and upgrading to 8GB of RAM will make your machine feel brand new. It's an easy upgrade.
https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/MacBook+Pro+13-Inch+Unibody+Mid+2010+Hard+Drive+Replacement/4305
https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/MacBook+Pro+13-Inch+Unibody+Mid+2010+RAM+Replacement/4319
TimeEffect
Member
Oh wait. Im seeing El Capitan IS the free upgrade... so I should do it?
It wont be a problem that I have mid 2010 macbook pro with those specs?
^ Thanks for letting me know about the RAM upgrade. Seems better than buying a new Macbook, especially since mine is going strong after 5 yrs (build quality was well worth the $$)
It wont be a problem that I have mid 2010 macbook pro with those specs?
^ Thanks for letting me know about the RAM upgrade. Seems better than buying a new Macbook, especially since mine is going strong after 5 yrs (build quality was well worth the $$)
JonathanNemo
Member
For whatever it is worth, old versions of VMware generally work fine with the latest iterations of OS X. The big issue is that they more or less stop giving maintenance updates when they release a new version. Sometimes this isn't such a big problem like with that one minor update that had hardware accelerated graphics frequently locking up rMBPs, took some time to get another minor patch out to fix that.
I've skipped major versions of VMware between OS upgrade and generally been okay for it, as I'm not aggressive with major Windows updates and mostly use it to run old decrepit things like x86 NeXTstep, Windows XP and maybe a Ubuntu build sometimes. But I wouldn't be surprised if VMware/EMC/Dell tightens the reins on that someday.
Do you have an SSD in your MBP?
An SSD and clean install of El Capitan will have you breezing. Also stop using Chrome and use Safari.
TimeEffect
Member
I dont have an SSD. Not sure I intend to do a clean install as I need to get an external HDD to move everything... though then again, it's just a bunch of files, most of which are useless to me now anyway.
Is it a bad idea to just upgrade from the App Store right now? Will I suffer greatly due to my specs?
I am worried how much El Capitan requires of my Macbook Pro
Maybe it was a public beta thing but the Yosemite version of VMware Fusion (ver. 7?) didn't work on El Capitan.
Why?
You can buy an external USB enclosure for 2.5" drives for like $10. Just crack open your MBP, take out the HDD and put it into the enclosure and the new SSD into your machine and either copy across the files you want or clone it onto the SSD using SuperDuper.
TimeEffect
Member
OK, sorry to spam:
I am on Mavericks (10.9.5)
Seeing as El Capitan seems to have some bad reviews... Can I just upgrade to Yosemite first?
Sadly, it seems Apple removed Yosemite.
Where can I get Yosemite?
I am on Mavericks (10.9.5)
Seeing as El Capitan seems to have some bad reviews... Can I just upgrade to Yosemite first?
Sadly, it seems Apple removed Yosemite.
Where can I get Yosemite?
TimeEffect
Member
thanks. Im also thinking I can move a mass majority of my files to iCloud and Google Drive.
Just upgrade to El Capitan, it's shaping up to be the next Snow Leopard in terms of quality.
Yosemite was never any good, you don't want it.
TimeEffect
Member
OK. Just nervous seeing reviews on App Store that say they see more spinning wheels and unstable apps like email
But here I go!
Don't worry about it, only people with problems post reviews on the App Store.
Good luck!
Because Apple have the benefit of coding their OS and software specifically for their hardware.
Safari is lightweight and fast, and designed specifically for OS X and iOS, coded 'to the metal' for maximum performance and efficiency.
Chrome is made for multiple platforms with no guarantee of the hardware specs. On OS X, it's a major battery hog and drives my MBP's temperatures 10 degrees higher than Safari, which then makes the fans audibly spin.
Chrome's a little better with their recent version 46 update, but Safari will always be the way to go on OS X. It's not like Internet Explorer and Windows where the default is garbage, Safari is the best OS X browser.
The Real Abed
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Just like the poster above said. Once Apple dropped Windows support for Safari it got loads better. It's the best browser on OS X now. Sadly we can't have this same benefit with iTunes and it sucks. Because iTunes would be so much better off if they were able to free it from Windows. Unfortunately that won't happen. So iTunes will forever suck. Most likely.
I disagree, I get the same battery life on my MBA with Chrome as I do with Safari now (ver. 47) and it has no effect on my laptop's temperature (the fans don't turn on). The performance argument is an old one that doesn't apply anymore, or at least not to Mac laptops made in the last couple of years (I can't speak for older Macs). On desktop Macs that argument is irrelevant.
Both Safari and Chrome have their place on the platform and telling people to avoid Chrome or proclaiming Safari as the hands down best browser aren't accurate nor helpful. I need to use Chrome because it's cross-platform, has better extension support, has Chromecast support and because I need favicons as a visual guide. It's also better at keeping record of closed tabs. It's not a slam dunk for Safari.
TimeEffect
Member
Yay I upgraded! Seems pretty nice.
Now how much will it cost to upgrade my RAM?
Also, I still cant view Youtube vids at 60 FPS/720p and I feel like I should
I turned off hardware acceleration on Chrome, but it doesnt help. What else can I do?
Now how much will it cost to upgrade my RAM?
Also, I still cant view Youtube vids at 60 FPS/720p and I feel like I should
I turned off hardware acceleration on Chrome, but it doesnt help. What else can I do?
I can't imagine it would cost much more than £100 (or $100) to get 8GB of RAM and a 240GB SSD. Look on Crucial's website.
It wouldn't hurt to install Malwarebytes and give your system a scan just to rule out malware as a possible reason: https://www.malwarebytes.org/antimalware/mac/
I really think though that the most likely cause is that your HDD is on the way out and OS X chugs anyway on a HDD while it sings on a SSD. Get those two upgrades like I said and you'll be happy as a clam.
TimeEffect
Member
Thanks man. What if I replace my HDD...with my PS3's 250 GB HDD? Is it the same?
Also, I love the new OS! Love swiping between windows, and the full screen, and it definitely feels faster, or at least not as laggy
Nope, HDDs and SSDs are different:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2404258,00.asp
Glad the upgrade went well!
You make some good points, I know Chrome is a lot better for extension support.
My points are more directed toward people who use Chrome on OS X as a more casual user, who has the 'Windows - Internet Explorer' mindset and thinks Safari is a poor browser because it's default software.
If you're an average browser user who just needs say, uBlock, and a few other things, then I'd definitely use Safari over Chrome on OS X.
Reddit: Tim Cook calls to ask you to give him a performance review. What do you tell him? What grade would you give Apple under his leadership?
Top comment:
Top comment:
Mr. Wonderful
Member
It's like they fit all of MacRumors into a single post.
I agree with some of the stuff. Just not to the raving level that this person is at.
I was waiting for the "...and Tim Cook tortured, killed, cooked and ate my dog" at the end to justify that vitriol.
If you feel that way, why the hell are you using Apple products?
In general I've just been depressed by the Reddit communities I've seen—almost all of them seem to bizarrely complain about "fanboyism" or "down voting brigades", but the actual tenor of posting there is incessantly negative or apocalyptic.
You mention uBlock, that's another example of Safari being behind Chrome on extensions. uBlock is a stolen project, uBlock Origin is by the original developer and is a lot better but sadly has no Safari support.
I agree Safari is more than adequate, I just object to people being mislead regarding Chrome. Both are good options.
While I agree with a lot of that, I don't agree with the delivery, although even reasoned criticism falls on deaf ears at Apple.
For example justified criticism of the Mac App Store that Apple have done nothing to address.
This happens all the time, and it's pissing me off. Google, Chrome and Chrome for iOS all show me the correct search suggestions, and they display them immediately. Bloody Safari can't seem to catch up with my typing speed, though, and doesn't consider the full text, only the first few letters or so. That is, if it displays any suggestions at all. See the third Safari screenshot. Sometimes, there are no suggestions. And sometimes, they appear after a delay of several seconds.
The same thing happens on iOS. Again, not every single time I use the search, but very, very frequently.
The Real Abed
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Because it's still better than the alternatives for most people.
The part I agree with the most is the first part about OS releases constantly being buggier and buggier. They do. It never used to be this bad. Now it's terrible. I find bugs that are different on different devices that shouldn't be. I still have things that work on one of my Macs but not my other with no explanation. I still can't get text message forwarding to work on both my iMac and iPad because it refuses to show the code on either machine. I'm lucky that it works on my MacBook. And it's been this way for quite a few OS releases now.
infiniteloop
Member
iOS 9.2 beta 2 brings AT&T Wi-Fi calling to the Mac and other devices
http://9to5mac.com/2015/11/03/ios-9-2-beta-2-wifi-calling-mac/
With iOS 9.2 + ATT, you can configure wifi calling on your Mac so you can make calls over wifi even if your phone isn't available. Doesn't say what OS X version it needs, prolly 10.11.2.
http://9to5mac.com/2015/11/03/ios-9-2-beta-2-wifi-calling-mac/
With iOS 9.2 + ATT, you can configure wifi calling on your Mac so you can make calls over wifi even if your phone isn't available. Doesn't say what OS X version it needs, prolly 10.11.2.
Mr. Wonderful
Member
Ugh. Any hints at Verizon WiFi calling? The recent FCC waiver request makes me hopeful.
I really haven't had any iCloud-related woes on my four machines/iOS devices at all, so I guess I'm among the lucky.
How'd you get perma-juniored?
Eh... Apple is not perfect, there are several valid points hidden in all that vitriol, but the thing is that Apple has never been perfect... you can make an argument that they are better now than they were under Steve's rule... That's why I hate these "Steve never would have allowed this" holier than thou rants.
Has AT&T enabled WiFi calling yet? I tried to get it to work the other day and my iPhone told me to call AT&T. EDIT: nvm got it to work just now.
The Real Abed
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Because Bish loves me. ❤️
Also because I backseat moderated when a troll came into an Apple thread. Wouldn't have been a problem if I wasn't saying the troll was going to be perm-juniored for it.
killertofu
Member
El Captain has totally fucked with my Adobe CC suite. Everything is a lot slower...
How can I backtrack to Yosemite?
How can I backtrack to Yosemite?
Is OS X really unable to daisy chain two external monitors via Displayport or do you just need newer Macbooks for that? I tried today with a relatively new MBA, and the only thing I achieved was mirroring.
I'm obviously not talking about Macbooks with two Thunderbolt outputs because you don't need daisy chaining here. And before anyone asks, I know that the monitors are able to do what I want because it works with my Surface Pro 3. Really weird that the MBA can't do that.
EDIT: After searching around a bit, it seems the Macbook may be able to do it. If I'm booting Windows on it. What the fuck, Apple.
I'm obviously not talking about Macbooks with two Thunderbolt outputs because you don't need daisy chaining here. And before anyone asks, I know that the monitors are able to do what I want because it works with my Surface Pro 3. Really weird that the MBA can't do that.
EDIT: After searching around a bit, it seems the Macbook may be able to do it. If I'm booting Windows on it. What the fuck, Apple.
The Lucky Moose
Neo Member
Since I have updated to El Capitan, my iTunes has become extremely slow. Anytime I click on anything (a song in a playlist, or simply the pause button) it takes a few seconds of watching the rainbow wheel before it happens. Any suggestions?
The Real Abed
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Something pretty cool with Pinned Tabs in Safari. If you have a tab pinned, say NeoGAF, and click a link that opens a new tab to a new URL, say a link in a post, it opens a new tab, but still lets you use the back button/gesture to close the tab and return to the pinned tab. That's really nice. Unfortunately this same feature does not work with a non-pinned tab. (No back button in the new tab) So it seems pinned tabs will lock themselves to the domain they start in. So that's good.
Maybe I should use pinned tabs more.
Only thing is unlike Firefox, pinned tabs don't seem to load their content on startup. So if you go into Tab Overview the unvisited pinned tabs appear as blank white pages until you click them to open them.
Edit: Some more observations. The back button disables itself if you switch to another tab like the "Back to app" feature in iOS. Which makes sense from a UI standpoint. Still it's nice to have it at all. And if a pinned tab is playing audio, you don't get the benefit of a speaker icon to signify it which can be annoying if you have a lot of pinned tabs.
Maybe I should use pinned tabs more.
Only thing is unlike Firefox, pinned tabs don't seem to load their content on startup. So if you go into Tab Overview the unvisited pinned tabs appear as blank white pages until you click them to open them.
Edit: Some more observations. The back button disables itself if you switch to another tab like the "Back to app" feature in iOS. Which makes sense from a UI standpoint. Still it's nice to have it at all. And if a pinned tab is playing audio, you don't get the benefit of a speaker icon to signify it which can be annoying if you have a lot of pinned tabs.
mmazurkiewicz
Member
i'm reformatting this pos. so many small issues that i feel should not be happening.
Valkyr Junkie
Member
Is Spotlight not searching Photos for anyone else?
I've been playing around with the 'natural speech' searches, and it's not producing results for anything from Photos. Everything looks like in System Preferences for Spotlight, so I'm not sure what it could be.
I've been playing around with the 'natural speech' searches, and it's not producing results for anything from Photos. Everything looks like in System Preferences for Spotlight, so I'm not sure what it could be.
So I got through a couple of days without a freeze. But now it happened again as I closed a YouTube tab, other tabs had nothing loading in the background or so. Think It's got to be YouTube related then. Maybe a Flash thing, although I have the player set to HTML. Since I don't like flash to begin with I just uninstalled it.
Let's see about that.
Or, well, maybe Safari is just kind of bad at closing tabs sometimes.
Let's see about that.
Or, well, maybe Safari is just kind of bad at closing tabs sometimes.
Duane Cunningham
Member
Okay, so my brand new MBP was great for a week. Then I made the mistake of running migration assistant from my old Macbook (late 2007 black book, running Lion).
Holy shit. It ruined everything. The battery life is non existent and it runs out while asleep, it's always warm, it can't remember a wi-fi signal, and more.
What's the easiest way to totally wipe and start fresh? The machine came with Mavericks, but I upgraded to El Cap day one. Do I need to build a recovery partition or some shit? Or is there an easier way?
Holy shit. It ruined everything. The battery life is non existent and it runs out while asleep, it's always warm, it can't remember a wi-fi signal, and more.
What's the easiest way to totally wipe and start fresh? The machine came with Mavericks, but I upgraded to El Cap day one. Do I need to build a recovery partition or some shit? Or is there an easier way?
CrudeDiatribe
Member
Reboot and hold cmd-R.
Use Disk Utility to erase the system volume (not the whole disk, which the recovery partition won't let you do), then install the OS. Done.
The recovery partition should be 10.11, it's upgraded as part of the OS install.
The Real Abed
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Is there an app out there that can go through my Photos Library and compare the photos it actually has in the database to the files in my Masters sub folder so I can delete the 250MB of leftover images that iPhoto never deleted back in the day and are now still around in my library bundle?
Alternatively, what's the safest way to delete my Photos from my MacBook and have Photos launch and recreate it as if it's new and download everything fresh from the iCloud?
I guess I can turn Photos off in the iCloud preference pane, delete anything having to do with Photos, then turn it back on and launch the app. Maybe then it would act like its a new machine?
I just don't want it accidentally deleting my library from iCloud.
What if instead I just clone the Photos Library bundle from my iMac to my MacBook?
Alternatively, what's the safest way to delete my Photos from my MacBook and have Photos launch and recreate it as if it's new and download everything fresh from the iCloud?
I guess I can turn Photos off in the iCloud preference pane, delete anything having to do with Photos, then turn it back on and launch the app. Maybe then it would act like its a new machine?
I just don't want it accidentally deleting my library from iCloud.
What if instead I just clone the Photos Library bundle from my iMac to my MacBook?
CrudeDiatribe
Member
Does Photos have a way of finding duplicates? I've not used it. If so, some Terminal magic can extract the 250MB of photos; then import them into Photos and find the dupes.
That's gonna be tough to do, but a possible solution is to create a new temporary Photos Library and import everything from the Masters folder. Then use something like PowerPhotos to search for duplicates and delete them from the temporary library and you're left with just the orphaned photos. You'd then have to manually search for these photos in your Masters folder though. It won't be fun.
I'd guess the easiest way to start from scratch is the delete your Photos Library bundle from ~/Photos. Cloning it from your iMac will work too if it doesn't have the same problem.
mmazurkiewicz
Member
what is the point of making a bootable drive if there is a recovery partition with the OS on it?
i just reformatted with a bootable drive plugged in and followed the steps you mentioned but now i'm not sure if the install ran off the usb bootable drive or from the recovery partition.
Zeyphersan
Banned
Here's an interesting thing: Messages on OSX will have my apostrophes and quotation marks start out straight (like normal) and then slant them after a second. Italics is not turned on. It's not a huge issue, but it looks... Weird
Top apostrophe was sent from iOS, bottom one sent from OSX
Top apostrophe was sent from iOS, bottom one sent from OSX
There is no installer on the recovery partition. It downloads it from Apple's servers.
The Real Abed
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Thing is the photos themselves are just there in the folder. Photos doesn't know they exist. As if I deleted them from within iPhoto long ago (And they're really old too. Many screenshots and stuff I never keep.) but the actual file deletion never took place.
And they're not duplicates. They're unique photos and screenshots I got rid of before iCloud was even a thing. Basically like if you deleted a bunch of songs in iTunes and told it to keep the original file. It would just be "there" in the Music Library folder taking space but not visible to iTunes at all.
See I can open the Masters folder on one machine and on the other and search for all images in them on both machines. The iMac, which is not my main machine, shows the proper photo count of 1,882 photos. While the MacBook would show like 2,000+. Browsing through them I see a bunch of images that should not exist anymore. But it's so many I can't just delete them all easily. I'd have to manually comb through both image by image. Sad thing is I can't go by the image filename because on the MacBook, which is where I always import them from, some are in named folders from when they were imported, while all the ones on the iMac are in numbered folders by year, month and day since they were all downloaded from iCloud properly. It's just the MacBook Library that's messed up because of years of iPhoto updates.
This is probably what I'll end up doing. Deleting it all, cloning the library from my iMac and hoping it works. Though I'd probably have a better chance deleting everything having to do with Photos including the library and all settings and launching it virgin and hope that it attaches to my iCloud and downloads them all again. Like I did when I got Photos on my iMac. Obviously I need to make sure I disable iCloud Photos on my MacBook too so I can reenable it after everything is deleted.
I'll probably try the clone thing first and cross my fingers that nothing fucks up. The worst that can happen is I have to rebuild everything from scratch and import all the photos again and hope that they get sorted by date properly. (I don't know if Photos will use the EXIF data for the date or put it under the date it was imported.)
I just need to make sure it actually does have every single image on my iMac in their original size and not just smaller shrunken optimized versions. (Yes, the option to download all photos is enabled. You never know though.)
All this just to free up a few hundred megabytes. lol
I was surprised to see that Permissions Repair is no longer an option in Disk Utility. Occasionally I seem to be getting a few unmovable, unmodifiable, and non-deletable files that don't show up in the normal Finder structure because they have "unknown permissions."
Otherwise El Capitan seems to be pretty stable.
Otherwise El Capitan seems to be pretty stable.