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Kazekage1981
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CatLady
Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
That list would be considered trolling in certain threads
It's sad that in some quarters around here hard facts are considered trolling while wild speculations with no basis in reality are considered facts.
Kazekage1981
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Yah cause dont you know, its 12 TFLOPS theoretical. In reality XsX would never reach 12 TFLOPS, but its certainly possible for PS4PRO to do 8 TFLOPS FP16 precision cause Mark Cerny is a genius, and we would have to create a thread about what Mark Cerny said, cause after all he is the lead architect of PS4, in the same manner Ken Kutaragi said that the CELL is 1% processing power of the human brain cause that's what he said-and there was definitely a thread about what could be the possibilities of the PS3 being alive. Dreamcast was so over rated by its logo "its thinking"
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CatLady
Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
I swear I think I saw the bolded posted unironically somewhere and went WTF. Did someone actually post that or did I imagine it?
Kazekage1981
Member
I forgot that PS4Pro could read 4k Ultra Blu-Ray Disks by simple firmware update cause there was a thread about it. But that never happened.
SleepDoctor
Banned
Don't forget "brute forcing" lol. The level of ignorance is at an all time high. Most the armchair engineers are just going with what fits their narrative and are absolutely clueless on the subject.
Anything Cerny says is taken at face value when he's just as full of shit as anyone else. Remember the Ps4 pro can double performance to 8.4 tf. And 8tf is all you need for 4k gaming.
Kazekage1981
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Apparently the demo is at 1440p/30fps, but I was told not to pay attention to that, but to pay attention to LODs and Triangles, cause that's what truly matters when playing a next gen game. Which is not even a game, its a tech demo with very limited gameplay and a cinematic flyby at the end.
Edit, could not even do checkerboarding 4k
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SleepDoctor
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Just read the first sentence and couldn't continue with a straight face lol.
SleepDoctor
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If it was on the xsx you'd see "lol 1440p/30fps where muh flops". Its just a marketing demo to push the ssd narrative since they underestimated ms would shoot much higher for power.
The ps4 has great games with 1.84 tf. They just can't accept they lost the power discussion.
Kazekage1981
Member
haha cute, I found this on the internet:
CatLady
Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
Is here anyone that is more technically inclined than I that tell me if there is ANY basis for the bullshit in that post, because to me it sounds like fairy tales constructed of a massive amount of mental gymnastics?
I also found this line in there particularly humorous:
"Xbox’s power consumption (heat) varies as the work load increases at a fixed frequency, up to a point it crashes because of the heat,"
Love the concern about the reasonably clocked XsX that has already shown us a truly state of the art cooling system, but no problem with the overclocked to high hell PS5 which we've seen NOTHING on.
Probably because they've all caught on fire and burnt up.
SleepDoctor
Banned
Is here anyone that is more technically inclined than I that tell me if there is ANY basis for the bullshit in that post, because to me it sounds like fairy tales constructed of a massive amount of mental gymnastics?
I also found this line in there particularly humorous:
"Xbox’s power consumption (heat) varies as the work load increases at a fixed frequency, up to a point it crashes because of the heat,"
Love the concern about the reasonably clocked XsX that has already shown us a truly state of the art cooling system, but no problem with the overclocked to high hell PS5 which we've seen NOTHING on.
Probably because they've all caught on fire and burnt up.
I honestly didn't even read that far into it. But if people want to speak in absolutes like they have a devkit, report em. You sit there and make a post like that, they'll report tf out of you.
Kazekage1981
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Bumblebeetuna
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I love how power doesnt matter but that didn’t stop some here from predicting 13-15TF and 32GB of RAM for PS5.
ZywyPL
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I've seen a clown today saying that MS has made a really nice machine for current-gen games, but only the PS5 is a true next-gen system thanks to its ultra fast SSD... Where the hell is D.E.A. when they're needed?
Stuart360
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Oh boy. The DF comparisons when the consoles launch, are going to be Biblical.
Kazekage1981
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Right and making this bonkers claim that the Unreal 5.0 demo could run on Xbox Series X and PC at higher resolution and lower LOD+Triangles. I cant believe that people are buying that bullshit as true, because they got no receipts to back that claim up. They are pulling things out of their ass based on nothing (cause Tim Sweeney indirectly said so). If you want to make that claim, then the same demo has to run on PC and Xbox Series X to notice the stark differences just like any other game if the HDD and SSD is truly the bottleneck (which I dont think for a second it is. It is always CPU, GPU, RAM). I can say that a certain game on PS4 and Xbone will look better on PS4PRo and Xbone X because of higher specs of the CPU, GPU, RAM, not because of its storage. That is logical and predictable. The other one is a total fallacy.
Edit: I added more to my certificate meme. I realized what was missing
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Kazekage1981
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JareBear: Remastered
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Was that on GAF? In the spec thread? PM me the post if you can.
Pretending like XsX isn’t next gen hardware just because the PS5 has faster storage bandwidth is silly. It’s still an ultra fast SSD in the XsX, more than 7x faster than the SATA SSDs in my PC (unless my math sucks). It’s the fastest console CPU, and the most powerful console GPU.
Both consoles are generational leaps.
UE5 demo has shown how the storage bandwidth is about more than just loading times but you still need a CPU/GPU to draw/ render the scenes, and ya know, run the actual game, a pretty important process that no one seems to talk about anymore.
You can have a storage setup that can stream 500000000 zillion triangles but it won’t matter if your CPU/GPU can’t render them. They work together. Plus, bottom line is the XsX setup will be able to stream plenty of geometry too.
They cant just ignore the XsX CPU/GPU advantage, even if it may not be quite as prominent as the PS5 storage bandwidth advantage.
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phil_t98
#SonyToo
its like people are ignoring the fact that there is more CU's faster CPU and better GPU lol
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JareBear: Remastered
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That one YTer yesterday summed it up pretty well IMO
XsX will get better use from Lumen tech in UE5, due to the GPU power.
PS5 will get beter use from the Nanite tech in UE5, due to SSD/streaming bandwidth.
Each console is built to a pretty specific strength with still strong components around that strength. Until proven otherwise I feel like XsX is a more complete package, but we will see
Kazekage1981
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Naw bro, apparently more compute units means the triangles are gonna disappear according to Mark Cerny cause he said so. And more compute units does not equal better performance cause that's what he said on his slides. You have to super charge them dragon ball z style and make them bigger. If only Xbone could super charge the 12 compute units dragon ball z style.
phil_t98
#SonyToo
according to him level design will completely change!!!!! even though games like the Witcher 3 exist and are not designed around loading times with opening doors oooooooowwwwwNaw bro, apparently more compute units means the triangles are gonna disappear according to Mark Cerny cause he said so. And more compute units does not equal better performance cause that's what he said on his slides. You have to super charge them dragon ball z style and make them bigger. If only Xbone could super charge the 12 compute units dragon ball z style.
JareBear: Remastered
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Crytek Guy taught me that a weaker GPU is better than stronger GPU.
He also taught me that the moon is a giant ball of delicious cookie dough.
He also taught me that the moon is a giant ball of delicious cookie dough.
phil_t98
#SonyToo
woaahhh am learning new stuff. is slower CPU stronger and more stable than a faster CPU? I mean faster may just be to fast to handle it all
JareBear: Remastered
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Outside of the Scorn Dev comments thread, I haven't seen anyone seeming to notice that XsX CPU is faster. Now, admittedly, at peak it has 300mhz advantage, and for my CPU I OC'd my i7 from 3.5 ghz to 4.5 ghz (full 1ghz uptick) and it definitely is faster but didn't change gaming dramatically, but in a closed console setup perhaps the difference will be more pronounced
Kazekage1981
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any comparison between XsX and PS5 when it comes to graphics fidelity based exclusively on SSD being the bottleneck, will only be demonstrated on cross gen third party games. Other than that, at this point in time we got nothing.
Kazekage1981
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phil_t98
#SonyToo
But you have to remember that this is a console and it’s designed differently and all power goes to the games. With pc it’s slightly different. There will be a noticeable difference and faster memory which people also seem to forget about. When you look at the Xbox one and PS4 the faster memory made such a massive impact to getting games to 1080p
SleepDoctor
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Naw bro, apparently more compute units means the triangles are gonna disappear according to Mark Cerny cause he said so. And more compute units does not equal better performance cause that's what he said on his slides. You have to super charge them dragon ball z style and make them bigger. If only Xbone could super charge the 12 compute units dragon ball z style.
Just imagine if Microsoft ups the gpu clock just a tad. The reactions would be 100x worse. Remember the April fools thread on it? It triggered a bunch of people. Microsoft did up the clock on the Xbox one just before release, so it wouldn't be farfetched.
ZehDon
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My friend, they've already got pages of go-to responses ready to go:
"Obviously Microsoft paid the developer to prioritise optimisation for the Series X!"
"Well duh. I could've predicted this. Third party developer - doesn't count, because it's not using the hardware to its fullest."
"Lowest common denominator - they're designing games around HDD's for fuck's sake! No sane person would consider this a benchmark!"
"Well, of course it looks better on Series X - this game wasn't designed to use the SSD! If it had, it'd look much better on PS5!"
"I can't put my finger on why, but I actually prefer the PS5's 1440p upscaled to the Series X's 1800p upscaled. I'm not sure what it is - it's just my preference."
"Ha ha, oh wow - 5 seconds extra loading? That's an eternity! If I launched a console with 13 second loading screens in 2020, I'd be embarrassed!"
"Lol, just wait for Sony's first party to show off what the PS5 can do - Microsoft's first party can't match the Naughty Gods!"
"Who cares about a 20% resolution difference? With the AA and upscaling in place, they're identical! What matters is the games!"
"Lol, indie title so who gives a toss. They've made a Switch port for crying out loud - this straight up doesn't count!"
Stuart360
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All those will be used at some point no doubt, but the highlighted one is the one i see being used all the time. If, as the spec suggest, XSX may run at a slightly higher rez, or slightly more consistent framerate etc, i can see all that being 'unimportant' now, and all that matters is XSX takes 9 or 10 secs to load a game, compared to 4 or 5 on PS5.
Its going to be so frustrating and disingenous, but they ALWAYS have an answer, always.
Starcheif
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Cool video on how Ray Tracing can improve games.
www.inverse.com
Breathtaking ‘GTA 5’ mod offers a glimpse at what ‘GTA 6’ might look like
'GTA 5' fans have been eagerly awaiting some kind of official 'GTA 6' from Rockstar Games for well over a year. A new PC mod has delivered a taste of the breathtaking graphical improvements that should eventually be featured in 'GTA 6'.
Hawk269
Member
It was amusing reading that some here and at the other place was thinking the PS5 was going to be 14TF+, 32gb of RAM and more bullshit.
CatLady
Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
I wish they would upclock to that magic 13.3 TFs that all the Sony boys were predicting for the mighty PS5. The meltdowns and damage control would be epic.
ZywyPL
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JareBear: Remastered
the link to the post about only the PS5 is true next gen. Please post the link in here, I'm dying to see that clown post.
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Stuart360
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I believe they will up the clocks at some point. I think thats why DF said that Microsoft were constantly telling them their clocks were locked, because they probably plan to up them at some point.I wish they would upclock to that magic 13.3 TFs that all the Sony boys were predicting for the mighty PS5. The meltdowns and damage control would be epic.
New Yorks Finest
Banned
Not a meme, just reality that no amount of magic SSD threads will change.
Thread..Point, Blank, Period
Clintizzle
Lord of Edge.
My favorite is going to be them saying "BuT A GuY FRoM ThERE (Digital Foundary) iS PArT Of ThE XbOX DisCord. It DoEsN'T CoUnT"
Then the famous user TheLastWord or something will link on analysis from an unknown website that says PS5 had 3 more triangles in this scene and call it the winner hahha
Kazekage1981
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Look at this bullshit:
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/next...leaks-thread.1480978/page-1968#post-258231828
So now the Xbox Series X needs 2 Zen CPU cores for the SSD I/O even though MSFT themselves have stated it only takes up 1/10 of the Zen 2 CPU core.
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/next...leaks-thread.1480978/page-1968#post-258231828
So now the Xbox Series X needs 2 Zen CPU cores for the SSD I/O even though MSFT themselves have stated it only takes up 1/10 of the Zen 2 CPU core.
JareBear: Remastered
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I had posted that video a page before
Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD
It's a pretty misunderstood quote, Xbox wire and DF are the sources for two basically identical quotes, here's DF "The form factor is cute, the 2.4GB/s of guaranteed throughput is impressive, but it's the software APIs and custom hardware built into the SoC that deliver what Microsoft believes...
but, in fairness, that thread moves fast so it’s easy to miss things.
Yeah honestly the dude who said that about the Zen 2 cores seems to be pretty biased and I’ve given up trying discussions with him. Just IMO
SleepDoctor
Banned
I had posted that video a page before
Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD
It's a pretty misunderstood quote, Xbox wire and DF are the sources for two basically identical quotes, here's DF "The form factor is cute, the 2.4GB/s of guaranteed throughput is impressive, but it's the software APIs and custom hardware built into the SoC that deliver what Microsoft believes...www.neogaf.com
but, in fairness, that thread moves fast so it’s easy to miss things.
Yeah honestly the dude who said that about the Zen 2 cores seems to be pretty biased and I’ve given up trying discussions with him. Just IMO
Everyone in there is a biased fanboy. They run off insiders and even the digital foundry dude with how toxic they are justbecausethey don't like an opinion of theirs. But guess what? Its perfectly okay for them to do it.
My ps4 library is more than twice my Xbox library and it almost feels shameful to have one with how childish people act over a piece of plastic.
JareBear: Remastered
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I made the mistake of questioning the validity of the “2 cores for SSD I/O” claim. Won’t do that again. Seems like that’s become the unofficial King Sony Meme thread, which is fine, there should be a meme thread for PS5 too. MHK made the DualSense one which was going strong for awhile but probably not a broad enough title.
Eh, it is what is. If something new pops up I’ll always try to share it if it hasn’t already been posted yet but that’s probably the best I can hope to accomplish there.
Eh, it is what is. If something new pops up I’ll always try to share it if it hasn’t already been posted yet but that’s probably the best I can hope to accomplish there.
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Hawk269
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Sorry for quoting myself, but just remembered some other fantasy bullshit that some here and at the other place thought the PS5 would have.
- 32gb of GDDR6 - or
- 32gb of HBM RAM
- 13-14TF
- 24gb of GDDR6 RAM + 8Gb of HBM RAM
- Re-Ram
- 2TB SSD
JareBear: Remastered
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Who was that dude that got banned who had said that these consoles should have 120 gigs of RAM and was serious? He posted it multiple times.
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