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[Subpar Spatula]

Sure, you are asking the essential questions.

If there are many women who love that stuff like in Free then why not? You can play the game with everything.

Because a lot of people, of both genders, enjoy it. If you don't, that's fine, but not everything needs to, or is going to, appeal to everyone.

It doesn't need to appeal to every one but if the thread is asking why anime hasn't broken through like other works you have to realize the defense for things like this is why. Until anime in general becomes more mature and less creepy / insulting to women you will only see acclaimed work.

I see this word creepy thrown around a lot like it means something. I don't find the show creepy in the least. And if you haven't actually watched the show fully why do you feel it necessary to explain it to someone who has?

I've seen, like, 13 episodes maybe? First episode he makes food for this one business girl and she has a food-orgasm that's very detailed. This continues on. Outside of those, and the top chef girl the show is tame, but why would a studio or network want to cover a show where Erina, who is 15-16, has jiggling tits in every scene she's in?

 

[……forgetit]

At this point "creepy" is just another buzzword.

PdotMichael
AnimeGAF's largest consumer of moe
Joined: 02-09-2011

 

[JDSN]

Wait... you used to defend Kill la Kill but Shokugeki no Soma is a no-no? Well ok.

Yup, the animation was dynamic and the characterization was there, the show had a strong first episode in general and was enough to tag along for a while, the first episode of Soma had nothing of that, boring protagonist, boring set up, a clear pattern of how the battles were going to...climax, im sure it got better eventually, I even read a couple of manga chapters but got tired of it.

Guy obviously hasn't watched the show but feels comfortable trashing it based on a screenshot. Very openminded and insightful.

Be quiet. I respected your right to find something good in it, do the same.

 

[sensui-tomo]

It doesn't need to appeal to every one but if the thread is asking why anime hasn't broken through like other works you have to realize the defense for things like this is why.



I've seen, like, 13 episodes maybe? First episode he makes food for this one business girl and she has a food-orgasm that's very detailed. This continues on. Outside of those, and the top chef girl the show is tame, but why would a studio or network want to cover a show where Erina, who is 15-16, has jiggling tits in every scene she's in?

different countries, different ages of consent. but she jiggles? I thought that was Mito Ikumi.

 

[Hektor]

At this point "creepy" is just another buzzword.

No, it really isn't. There is a lot of creepy media.

Do i have to remind you of the Terminator:Genesys and Avengers covers, where the women had to show Ass as well as her tits in completely unnatural poses?

Do i have to remind you of the hundreds of sex and rape scenes in modern television, like Game of Thrones, Spartacus, 300 Rise of an Empire?

Do i have to remind you of constant asshots and sexy girl characters that are just there to look hot in transformers?

Do i have to remind you of all the songs about "fucking dem whores" in rap music?

Do i have to remind you about entire movie-franchises about sexy women in latexsuits like underworld?

Oh, i forgot, nothing of this is Japanese. Nevermind my post then.

 

[JABEE]

At this point "creepy" is just another buzzword.

I don't know even watching "mainstream" anime in America like DBZ, there would always be some creepy stuff that would slip into the stories.

I think that is a major reason why anime is not mainstream in the same way as comic book movies are now. Say what you want about the bizarre sexuality and objectification in American comics, most of the time my impression is that I won't turn the page and see children objectified in that way.

I would assume Hollywood types would want to sanitize any property they would want to produce, and do their best to make people not think of the child fetishist anime.

This is what made me not want to watch anime or read manga. Walking down the manga aisle in Barnes and Noble turned me off the whole thing.

 

[……forgetit]

No, it really isn't. There is a lot of creepy media.

Do i have to remind you of the Terminator:Genesys and Avengers covers, where the women had to show Ass as well as her tits in completely unnatural poses?

Do i have to remind you of the hundreds of sex and rape scenes in modern television, like Game of Thrones, Spartacus, 300 Rise of an Empire?

Do i have to remind you of constant asshots and sexy girl characters that are just there to look hot in transformers?

Do i have to remind you of all the songs about "fucking dem whores" in rap music?

Do i have to remind you about entire movie-franchises about sexy women in latexsuits like underworld?

Oh, i forgot, nothing of this is Japanese. Nevermind my post then.

Those aren't "creepy" they can be sexist and regressive depending on the contract xt, but not creepy.

 

[PdotMichael]

Actually I disagree, accepted and popular I consider different things. If you bring up that you're an advid comic reader to friends or typical people they wouldn't think anything of it because it's not odd, bringing up you're an advid anime watcher and manga reader would get you some odd looks.


For example, I know more people who read manga over reading comics, but if I were to tell a random friend who does neither to read a comic I have they probably would, while of I told them to read a manga they'd be less likely to.

Well...

PdotMichael
AnimeGAF's largest consumer of moe
Joined: 02-09-2011

nevermind, you are too witty for me Top Gun.

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

No, it really isn't. There is a lot of creepy media.

Do i have to remind you of the Terminator:Genesys and Avengers covers, where the women had to show Ass as well as her tits in completely unnatural poses?

Do i have to remind you of the hundreds of sex and rape scenes in modern television, like Game of Thrones, Spartacus, 300 Rise of an Empire?

Do i have to remind you of constant asshots and sexy girl characters that are just there to look hot in transformers?

Do i have to remind you of all the songs about "fucking dem whores" in rap music?

Do i have to remind you about entire movie-franchises about sexy women in latexsuits like underworld?

Oh, i forgot, nothing of this is Japanese. Nevermind my post then.

At least they aren't children.

 

[MHWilliams]

I'd appreciate it that next time you have a problem with me you PM me rather than drag my name through the dirt for pages upon pages while I'm not available to respond (especially in a thread that's unrelated to said post). One PM to request I update the summaries was all it needed. Just calling it "shit", "garbo" and "a joke" isn't constructive since I put in a lot of effort to make it informative, clear, concise while also fun. And to clarify, shows in the OP are a mix of what people in the thread like, they are not a joke.

Well then, Cyan's original post stands? It wasn't taken as a joke until other posters said it was a joke. You take those posts out and no one has a problem with your OP.

LOL, I just watched Soma last week and that is one of the first things I noticed is how it is definitely equal opportunity fanservice. It was so over the top and out of place I could do nothing but laugh, since the anime itself was so good.

Shokugeki no Soma is great, but "equal" is stretching it a bit. They do throw some male-themed fanservice in there though. Maybe if apron-only Satoshi had as much screentime as Nikumi.

 

[……forgetit]

Well...



nevermind, you are too witty for me Top Gun.

No, feel free to reply, I found the tag funny so the quote felt needed.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

different countries, different ages of consent. but she jiggles? I thought that was Mito Ikumi.

She does jiggle.

The point is anime portrays young girls as sexy all the time. No Game, No Life is big on this and it's sold in Canadian stores (just in the back of Chapters). We can go on about laws and different cultures but ultimately it comes down to, "Should Hollywood take a risk and adapt a show where, in canon, the main female wears a school-girl outfit that transforms (by the way the outfit talks and talks about her body), where the transformation scene is quite graphic and so is the resulting outfit?" You would get a big laugh because no reasonable company will want to market that shit, but hey, different cultures, all's good.

 

[God Dayumm]

Anime and manga cater mostly to their niches, so they can be creepy. Meanwhile, movies and TV cater only to the mainstream (children and tweens) so they are mostly brain-dead. Gaming is the only nerd hobby that produces a healthy amount of both the hardcore and casual, indie and big budget, and everything in-between

 

[Maedhros]

@SG- 17
Yeah, they're adult, so it's O.K.

EDIT: I think it's better that anime stays as outcast culture, really. Just enjoy it secretly, see the number of sales going up (meaning more investments and new material) and enjoy.

 

[sneakydomo]

It doesn't need to appeal to every one but if the thread is asking why anime hasn't broken through like other works you have to realize the defense for things like this is why.



I've seen, like, 13 episodes maybe? First episode he makes food for this one business girl and she has a food-orgasm that's very detailed. This continues on. Outside of those, and the top chef girl the show is tame, but why would a studio or network want to cover a show where Erina, who is 15-16, has jiggling tits in every scene she's in?

Have you actually asked yourself how the characters are presented in specific animes vs their notional age? In this show specifically Erina is presented as a world renowned food critic and chef. She has a personal assistant and is almost never shown in an academic setting, almost always as a professional. Same thing with kids in high school anime with no visible parents who are fighting in wars or other such nonsense. Sure they are notional high schoolers but they are portrayed largely as young adults. At the end of the day these are animated characters voiced by adults, if they are notionally called 16 but act like adults I think it's bullshit to pretend like this is thinly veiled child porn, it isn't.

 

[Mauricio_Magus]

I'd appreciate it that next time you have a problem with me you PM me rather than drag my name through the dirt for pages upon pages while I'm not available to respond (especially in a thread that's unrelated to said post). One PM to request I update the summaries was all it needed. Just calling it "shit", "garbo" and "a joke" isn't constructive since I put in a lot of effort to make it informative, clear, concise while also fun. And to clarify, shows in the OP are a mix of what people in the thread like, they are not a joke.

I'm sorry for calling it a joke, I thought it was still in its original form(when Aikatsu was the Number 1 recommendation haha), you clearly put a lot of effort on it and I love it.

It's still clearly meant to be funny but it does include some serious recommendations.

 

[JABEE]

No, it really isn't. There is a lot of creepy media.

Do i have to remind you of the Terminator:Genesys and Avengers covers, where the women had to show Ass as well as her tits in completely unnatural poses?

Do i have to remind you of the hundreds of sex and rape scenes in modern television, like Game of Thrones, Spartacus, 300 Rise of an Empire?

Do i have to remind you of constant asshots and sexy girl characters that are just there to look hot in transformers?

Do i have to remind you of all the songs about "fucking dem whores"?

Do i have to remind you about entire movie-franchises about sexy women in latexsuits like underworld?

Oh, i forgot, nothing of this is Japanese. Nevermind my post then.

All of those examples involve adults. Objectification is tolerated and promoted in Hollywood movies, but those same shots involving children are creepy.

I think the difference is that Americans are okay with ass shots of hot biker chicks, but not cool with same thing being done to 12-year-old school girls.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

Have you actually asked yourself how the characters are presented in specific animes vs their notional age? In this show specifically Erina is presented as a world renowned food critic and chef. She has a personal assistant and is almost never shown in an academic setting, almost always as a professional. Same thing with kids in high school anime with no visible parents who are fighting in wars or other such nonsense. Sure they are notional high schoolers but they are portrayed largely as young adults. At the end of the day these are animated characters voiced by adults, if they are notionally called 16 but act like adults I think it's bullshit to pretend like this is thinly veiled child porn, it isn't.

They're still teenagers. You're not going to convince me they're not with "they're voiced by adults and have assistants!"

 

[fertygo]

At least they aren't children.

Remember me again what the big bad mystery at True Detective.

Or the age of Sansa Stark, goes both ways. No amount of K-ON Moe can amount to actual depiction of underage rape if you ask me, but hey its maybe just me

 

[gamechanger87]

All of those examples involve adults. Objectification is tolerated and promoted in Hollywood movies, but those same shots involving children are creepy.

I think the difference is that Americans are okay ass shots of hot biker chicks, but not cool with same thing being done to 12-year-old school girls.

Yep. It sometimes feels like the entire point of anime is to make all characters look to be underage. The style skews incredibly young which isn't a good sign.

 

[Hektor]

Those aren't "creepy" they can be sexist and regressive depending on the contract xt, but not creepy.

Then what's the definition of creepy?

Seeing how an actual, living human beeing pretends to get raped for the sake of your saturday evening enjoyment is far creepier to me than a pantyshot or a show like Kill La Kill could ever be.

At least they aren't children.

At least they aren't real. Goes both ways.

 

[my name is ed]

When I started dating my wife, forever ago, she thought I was weird because we were into similar music and many other things but everyone she had met who was into anime was...not at all like me. After some months, I eventually got her to watch FLCL, which she thought was alright. It's been 11 years; we've watched a lot of Polar Bear's Cafe; we watched Trapeze; and Ghibli stuff gets a lot of play in our house. (And yes, she did watch most of Eva, but that was when we had roommates years ago and we all watched it as a set. She fell asleep on a regular basis lol) She got into Ouran for a while and is super into otome stuff on her iPad and the Vita now. Things change, and sometimes people just need to find what they like - and some people never get into it. I guess what I'm trying to say is try different content

funny in no way shape or form can i get my wife to watch any anime. i cant get her to watch foreign films at all which sucks. she refused to watch oldboy but decided to watch the spike lee version >_<

marriage was a mistake

what struck me when we first started dating was that like all her roommates (she had like 7) really liked studio ghibli movies or similar anime and they werent anything close to fans of anime.

 

[……forgetit]

Then what's the definition of creepy?

Seeing how an actual, living human beeing pretends to get raped for the sake of your saturday evening enjoyment is far creepier to me than a pantyshot or a show like Kill La Kill could ever be.

Because rape isn't depicted for "enjoyment" I've never seen a rape seen that I'd call "entertainment" they're there to make you uncomfortable. The goal is to desplay a horrible thing as horrible while a panty shot in Kill LA kill is there to make you beat off to a 14 year old.

 

[NaDannMaGoGo]

Yup, the animation was dynamic and the characterization was there, the show had a strong first episode in general and was enough to tag along for a while, the first episode of Soma had nothing of that, boring protagonist, boring set up, a clear pattern of how the battles were going to...climax, im sure it got better eventually, I even read a couple of manga chapters but got tired of it.

Disregarding any indefensible fanservice stuff that can be found in both show, Shokugeki no Soma is leagues better than Kill la Kill. If you can stomach the oversexualization present in Kill la Kill I see no reason why you wouldn't manage to do it in Soma, especially since it has purpose within this overall over-the-top thing it has going for it. The exceptions are of course the few fucking terrible tentacle scenes, with the worst being shown immediately in ep1. But other than that, you at least get a great show with Soma and not the trash that's Kill la Kill.

 

[……forgetit]

Yup, the animation was dynamic and the characterization was there, the show had a strong first episode in general and was enough to tag along for a while, the first episode of Soma had nothing of that, boring protagonist, boring set up, a clear pattern of how the battles were going to...climax, im sure it got better eventually, I even read a couple of manga chapters but got tired of it.


Be quiet. I respected your right to find something good in it, do the same.

Honestly I didn't make it past the first episode of kill LA kill.

 

[MHWilliams]

Remember me again what the big bad mystery at True Detective.

Definitely creepy and in no way portrayed as good?

 

[vainglorious]

No, it really isn't. There is a lot of creepy media.

Do i have to remind you of the Terminator:Genesys and Avengers covers, where the women had to show Ass as well as her tits in completely unnatural poses?

Do i have to remind you of the hundreds of sex and rape scenes in modern television, like Game of Thrones, Spartacus, 300 Rise of an Empire?

Do i have to remind you of constant asshots and sexy girl characters that are just there to look hot in transformers?

Do i have to remind you of all the songs about "fucking dem whores" in rap music?

Do i have to remind you about entire movie-franchises about sexy women in latexsuits like underworld?

Oh, i forgot, nothing of this is Japanese. Nevermind my post then.

Why are we conflating sexism with creepy?

 

[NoblesseOblige]

The fervor some Anime fans display in order to defend their superior Japanese cartoons is just one of the reasons 'Otaku' are 'outcasts' (or so they want to think of themselves as). I can see it from several posters even in here. You're not doing yourselves any favors by defending the aspects that most people find off putting. That's not to say you can't enjoy it, but to act like a victim because most people find it creepy?

 

[partyphone]

The fervor some Anime fans display in order to defend their superior Japanese cartoons is just one of the reasons 'Otaku' are 'outcasts' (or so they want to think of themselves as). I can see it from several posters even in here. You're not doing yourselves any favors by defending the aspects that most people find off putting. That's not to say you can't enjoy it, but to act like a victim because most people find it creepy?

yeah. not all anime is creepy and off putting. probably most isn't. but it all looks that way from the outside. but people with loli avatars are not going to be good ambassadors of non-creepy anime.

 

[fertygo]

Definitely creepy and in no way portrayed as good?

Sure its creepy right?

Stephen King kind of creepy.. usually you find those on hentai game not TV anime.

The lewd thing thing on TV anime is on par with stuff like Californication at most. oh wait TV anime will never show penetrative sex. I wrong, sorry.

 

[PdotMichael]

The fervor some Anime fans display in order to defend their superior Japanese cartoons is just one of the reasons 'Otaku' are 'outcasts' (or so they want to think of themselves as). I can see it from several posters even in here. You're not doing yourselves any favors by defending the aspects that most people find off putting. That's not to say you can't enjoy it, but to act like a victim because most people find it creepy?

You creepy pedos even think you have the right to defend yourself against all the namecallings and being putting on the same level as criminals?

How creepy!

 

[Hektor]

Because rape isn't depicted for "enjoyment" I've never seen a rape seen that I'd call "entertainment" they're there to make you uncomfortable. The goal is to desplay a horrible thing as horrible while a panty shot in Kill LA kill is there to make you beat off to a 14 year old.

So are horror movies but we still define them as entertainment. Unless the topic of rape is actually talked about within the movie or series it's just there for your entertainment. The first 2 seasons of GOT (i admitetly didn't watched more) just depicted that stuff for the sake of a thrilling story for your enjoyment, not because they had an agenda in talking to you about how bad rape is.

And i personally, found that to be far more unsettling due to them beeing real, human beeings.

Why are we conflating sexism with creepy?

Because "creepy" doesnt mean what you think it means. Sexism can be creepy too. So can be spiders.

If you want to talk about the problematic depiction of underage characters in Anime, say that.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

You creepy pedos even think you have the right to defend yourself against all the namecallings and being putting on the same level as criminals?

How creepy!

Thank you for the example of the victim complex I was referencing.

 

[vainglorious]

Thank you for the example of the victim complex I was referencing.

lol

 

[……forgetit]

You creepy pedos even think you have the right to defend yourself against all the namecallings and being putting on the same level as criminals?

How creepy!

No one is calling you a pedo, but you have to realize that the fascination with girls 12-17 is very VERY creepy to western audiences. This thread is about why Anime and manga hasn't made it mainstream and that's a big reason.

Because "creepy" doesnt mean what you think it means. Sexism can be creepy too. So can be spiders.

If you want to talk about the problematic depiction of underage characters in Anime, say that.

We want to talk about the problematic depictions of underafe characters in Anime. Also I can't speak on game of thrones because I've seen like one episode and all that happened was Peter Dinkled got attacked by river zombies or something.

 

[PdotMichael]

Thank you for the example of the victim complex I was referencing.

Yeah, you are absolutly right in everything.

 

[firehawk12]

Because rape isn't depicted for "enjoyment" I've never seen a rape seen that I'd call "entertainment" they're there to make you uncomfortable. The goal is to desplay a horrible thing as horrible while a panty shot in Kill LA kill is there to make you beat off to a 14 year old.

=> All movies ever made are creepy. QED.

 

[Cow Mengde]

I wonder why

I used to like anime back in the 90s and early 2000s. Thank you for reminding me why I slowly drifted away. I still read manga if I find an interesting title. The funny thing is, looking at all the titles, many of them are actually suitable for kids of all ages.

 

[Mauricio_Magus]

took long enough.

 

[Mass_Pincup]

The fervor some Anime fans display in order to defend their superior Japanese cartoons is just one of the reasons 'Otaku' are 'outcasts' (or so they want to think of themselves as). I can see it from several posters even in here. You're not doing yourselves any favors by defending the aspects that most people find off putting. That's not to say you can't enjoy it, but to act like a victim because most people find it creepy?

Who's acting like a victim because you found it creepy?

 

[Miletius]

I think being the only major subculture not centered in the West hurts anime and manga. You could also argue that videogames have a part that's not Western centric, but most video games that are part of mainstream geek culture are made by Western studios and designed for Western audiences. Japanese influence on videogames is smaller than it ever has been.

Other than that, I'm not convinced that the more problematic aspects of anime culture are even perceived outside of the norm. What I mean by that is that if you ask a random passerby, casual Game of Thrones fan what they think of anime I don't think they'd say "moe moe 13 year olds and panty shots." I don't think they'd really know what to say, actually, other than "I don't really watch that." To be clear, I'm not making a value judgement on Anime/Manga either way. It just seems to me that the perception of Anime is driven by interest in the less mainstream aspects of geek culture, and that mainstream fans don't even know what to think of anime/manga, never mind thinking about the sometimes problematic aspects of it.

 

[……forgetit]

=> All movies ever made are creepy. QED.

I mean there are movies that are supposed to be creepy. Imo the disconnect with anime is the media wants you to feel a certain way watching it, but due to the cultural disconnect it makes you feel completely differently. Also I have no idea what that is.

 

[partyphone]

http://i.imgur.com/z43hcJQl.jpg

=> All movies ever made are creepy. QED.

movies are already an established, mainstream form of entertainment in the west. this thread is about why anime isn't. so your post doesn't make any sense.

is it fair to judge all anime by the creepy perv shit? of course not. but guess what mainstream audiences do.

 

[PdotMichael]

No one is calling you a pedo, but you have to realize that the fascination with girls 12-17 is very VERY creepy to western audiences. This thread is about why Anime and manga hasn't made it mainstream and that's a big reason.

No one would burn all books because 50 Shades of Grey is basically a long badly written rape-fantasy.

If you ask animeGAF for titles with specific content or lack of that specific content you will get instanly an insanely amount of names of anime titles.
But this thread is just an excuse of confirmation bias and just plain bashing. Even the big comics like Batman, Spider-Man or X-men are selling <100k.

Only because there are successful movies for the mainstream to avoid comics and the surrounded culture doesn't make the hobby more mainstream. It's a pretty big delusion but that's the narrative here.

 

[firehawk12]

I think being the only major subculture not centered in the West hurts anime and manga. You could also argue that videogames have a part that's not Western centric, but most video games that are part of mainstream geek culture are made by Western studios and designed for Western audiences. Japanese influence on videogames is smaller than it ever has been.

Other than that, I'm not convinced that the more problematic aspects of anime culture are even perceived outside of the norm. What I mean by that is that if you ask a random passerby, casual Game of Thrones fan what they think of anime I don't think they'd say "moe moe 13 year olds and panty shots." I don't think they'd really know what to say, actually, other than "I don't really watch that."

Video games are in a weird position because it's the only medium where something non-Western was allowed to gain a foothold and define the entire medium. We talk about culture spreading outwards from America/Europe, so we privilege Western composers when we think of classical music and Western filmmakers when we talk about the classics of film and English authors when we talk about the classics of literature, but with games we talk about how Mario and Zelda and Metroid are the classic canonical texts. And that only happened by accident, because Atari fucked it all up.

 

[sonicmj1]

Because a lot of people, of both genders, enjoy it. If you don't, that's fine, but not everything needs to, or is going to, appeal to everyone.

Then Stumpokapow was right; it's a content issue, the hardcore fans won't compromise, and that's why anime isn't and won't be mainstream.

I guess that was instructive.

 

[firehawk12]

movies are already an established, mainstream form of entertainment in the west. this thread is about why anime isn't. so your post doesn't make any sense.

is it fair to judge all anime by the creepy perv shit? of course not. but guess what mainstream audiences do.

But the examples people are choosing aren't mainstream. What's "creepy" about Dragon Ball Z or Sailor Moon? I think the show is fucking terrible, but what's "creepy" about Attack on Titan, the most popular show of last year?

 

[Kreed]

In the convergent harmony of modern geekdom, “anime and manga” is the “rap and country” part of “I like all music except rap and country.”

The only way this statement works is if you completely ignore the popularity of rap and country music and only look at the statement in regards to how often it's said in conversation in regards to music, which still isn't enough for this comparison to be appropriate. "Anime and manga" aren't even separate things in the context of this article and "otaku culture", whereas this phrase is more often than not said excluding either rap or country. In addition to the popularity of both genres, in the context of this article no one is "ashamed" of liking rap or country in general or in the mainstream, to the point where it is seen as a "cool" thing in the mainstream media to express liking these genres of music when you aren't the usual audience for said music "ex: a Politician referencing the Drake and Meek Mill beef". Whereas the whole point of this article is that "otaku" culture is excluded in "geek culture".

 

[Kinyou]

The fervor some Anime fans display in order to defend their superior Japanese cartoons is just one of the reasons 'Otaku' are 'outcasts' (or so they want to think of themselves as). I can see it from several posters even in here. You're not doing yourselves any favors by defending the aspects that most people find off putting. That's not to say you can't enjoy it, but to act like a victim because most people find it creepy?

Which one is it? First you say this is one of the reasons they're outcasts and then you say they're just imagining to be one. Does that mean the reason you brought up doesn't actually matter since otakus are not outcasts anyway?

 

[NoblesseOblige]

Which one is it? First you say this is one of the reasons they're outcasts and then you say they're just imagining to be one. Does that mean the reason you brought up doesn't actually matter since otakus are not outcasts anyway?

Thought it was pretty clear but the actions of trying to defend something ridiculous so vehemently is what is being mocked and ridiculed. But instead of the fans saying "hey, maybe there is something a bit creepy here" they instead want to pretend they're being unjustly persecuted. They're not outcasts for liking Anime. They're outcasts for defending the creepy aspects found in much of it.