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[GorillaJu]

One-Punch Man's pretty good

Cowboy Bebop is awesome

Miyazaki is top-tier

Dragon Ball Z's fairly entertaining from a nostalgic standpoint

The rest is ehhh

The Wire is awesome

Fargo is also good

I guess Seinfeld is funny from a nostalgic standpoint.

The rest is ehhhh

 

[Scrooge McDuck]

The responses to Not are kind of what I meant about that desperation recommendation thing anime fans do that I mentioned on that other page (however many pages back that was I dunno).

No matter if somebody said something like "I believe that there are only 4 good anime in existence" or "out of the many anime I've watched, I only liked 4 of them," wouldn't some anime recommendations a perfectly reasonable response? I mean, it's not like there's anything else in that post to discuss about.

 

[Not]

Ohhh hey while I was looking up Hunter x Hunter I remembered I also liked parts of Shirobako, but mostly because I'm an animator and wanted a crash course in the Japanese animation process. Wasn't really invested in the story or characters to an extent, but appreciated how watchable it was.

 

[Mauricio_Magus]

Sorry about the wording. I was just throwing my hat in.

Despite there being thousands, I've still found only very few do it for me. That's why I like One-Punch Man so much, it doesn't feel anime-y. Maybe because the creator never expected it to be anything other than a webcomic.

I read a few of the My Hero Academia series based on recs and wasn't really impressed. Cool stuff (All Might

Spoiler

and his alter ego

are neat ideas) but not executed well enough to hold my attention.

I watched all of Darker Than Black a few summers ago because I was bored and heard it was superhero-y and that just put me off all anime for a while, haha

OPM is anime as fuck, it's just that it's making fun of everything.

I'm just not big on battle/shonen anime and HxH is pretty much the best one out there, hence my recommendation. Oh yeah, there's also Gundam Build Fighters, it helps to be a fan of Gundam but even if you aren't this anime is AMAZING.

I could recommend you more fantastic shows like Space Brothers if you want something more mature or Chihayafuru if you don't mind a show that might be too Japanese because of the sport that is being played.

Ohhh hey while I was looking up Hunter x Hunter I remembered I also liked parts of Shirobako, but mostly because I'm an animator and wanted a crash course in the Japanese animation process. Wasn't really invested in the story or characters to an extent, but appreciated how watchable it was.

Did you watch all of Shirobako? The second part of the show is so god damn good, I'd even dare to say that Shirobako is my favorite anime.

 

[Hellwarden]

The problem with anime is the weeaboos? I can get behind that.

I feel like that the fans/fanbases can be a huge problem for people just trying to get into a new form of entertainment.

You know what the problem is with Steven Universe? The fans.

You know what the problem is with Dota 2? The community.

You know what the problem is with comics? The obsessive nerds.

It's a problem with many forms of entertainment. It may be more prevalent a problem concerning anime fans however.

 

[Ralemont]

I read an interesting analysis that the three movies are supposed to be giving each "group" of fans what they want, then subverting it. 1.11 is just an HD remake for those who didn't grasp the deeper points, 2.22 caters to the lowest common denominator with fan service both sexually and in action, and 3.33 tears it all apart demonstrating what is wrong with all that, turns up the despair, and lays on the homoeroticism thick while demonstrating that no one has really learned their lesson.

I hope 3.0+1.0 is just as dark as the original End of Evangelion.

I hope the final movie isn't complete shit like 3.0.

It's nice and all if it really was Anno trolling the people who keep him fed and all, but you also kind of need the movie to make sense on its own terms, or else it's as good as him sitting in front of the screen berating you for 2 hours.

I'm not even a big anime watcher, but I did see and like the show + End of Eva, because for all its 4th wall messages it also succeeded as a story in its own right. 3.0 is nonsensical poopy.

 

[dity]

No matter if somebody said something like "I believe that there are only 4 good anime in existence" or "out of the many anime I've watched, I only liked 4 of them," wouldn't some anime recommendations a perfectly reasonable response? I mean, it's not like there's anything else in that post to discuss about.

But it felt like a team of direct marketers piling on Not with pamphlets as they walked by on the street. It wasn't like "Oh you like those, try this one too" it was like "You don't like more anime? This will change your mind, cretin. How dare you."

 

[Scrooge McDuck]

I feel like that the fans/fanbases can be a huge problem for people just trying to get into a new form of entertainment.

You know what the problem is with Steven Universe? The fans.

You know what the problem is with Dota 2? The community.

You know what the problem is with comics? The obsessive nerds.

It's a problem with many forms of entertainment. It may be more prevalent a problem concerning anime fans however.

I must admit I actually came to like video games less shortly after I joined NeoGAF.

 

[hosannainexcelsis]

His post was in no way as destructive as drive-by trolling or anything like that. I think you and like two others just way overreacted to it, I reckon more-so than a thread about movies would to your example. Although they might just assume you threw in Avatar to take the piss, but I doubt they'd be offended.

I've seen similar posts which do end up being drive-by trolling, so that's the perspective I'm coming from. And again, I'm hardly offended, just baffled!

Yeah, and lots of people like to make fun of them and it's basically synonymous with the "dudebro" frat gamer stereotype these days. Y'know? It's like they're video gamers, but not video gamers. It's like they're their own thing sometimes.

I don't get that at all. I don't think general audiences see "hardcore gamers" as distinct from "multiplayer FPS players". Maybe there are some people on GAF who do. But the only very visible types of games that I see as standing out to people as different are Nintendo games and mobile games, and neither of those would be considered "hardcore gamers". (Which is kind of a silly term anyway, but that's the perception I see.)

Oh no, I haven't :O

I'd love to hear more about this!

Ooh, that's bad timing as the website just took Seasons 1 and 2 down, although Season 3 is still available to stream and the first two seasons can be found via other means. But anyway, the Japanese Animator Expo is a project run by Studio Khara and Hideaki Anno (Evangelion), where for 35 weeks they released weekly shorts online from many different prominent creators in the anime industry. The quality varies, as you'd expect from an anthology series, but it has all the strengths of an anthology series as well, with an incredible amount of variety and creativity on display. They're mostly worth watching for one reason or another. I suggest starting with The Ultraman, Bureau of Proto Society, Bubu and Bubulina, and Hammerhead from the shorts that are still available online, but be sure to check out Kanon and 20min Walk if you can. Mahiro Maeda, who directed Gala in Genius Party as well as the incredible Gankutsuou series, directed 20min Walk, Kanon, and Hammerhead, and they really show off his amazing talent.

 

[The Technomancer]

I feel like that the fans/fanbases can be a huge problem for people just trying to get into a new form of entertainment.

You know what the problem is with Steven Universe? The fans.

You know what the problem is with Dota 2? The community.

You know what the problem is with comics? The obsessive nerds.

It's a problem with many forms of entertainment. It may be more prevalent a problem concerning anime fans however.

This is sort of the point I was making on the last page: in a modern context geekdom and geekiness is defined by participation in the community. This is a complete reversal of its historical meaning, but it is the way things are today and if there's an answer to "why hasn't anime broken out into mainstream 'geekdom'" its probably the community

 

[Daingurse]

Sorry about the wording. I was just throwing my hat in.

Despite there being thousands, I've still found only very few do it for me. That's why I like One-Punch Man so much, it doesn't feel anime-y. Maybe because the creator never expected it to be anything other than a webcomic.

I read a few of the My Hero Academia series based on recs and wasn't really impressed. Cool stuff (All Might

Spoiler

and his alter ego

are neat ideas) but not executed well enough to hold my attention.

I watched all of Darker Than Black a few summers ago because I was bored and heard it was superhero-y and that just put me off all anime for a while, haha

I honestly recommend reading Toriko. Fun shonen battle manga, that reminded me a lttle of Hunter x Hunter while reading it.Great sense of adventure and wonder. The series has grown on me immensely, as the story has just escalated insanely. Anime adaptation is weak tho, wouldn't recommend it. One of the worst shonen adaptations I've personally seen.

I feel like that the fans/fanbases can be a huge problem for people just trying to get into a new form of entertainment.

You know what the problem is with Steven Universe? The fans.

You know what the problem is with Dota 2? The community.

You know what the problem is with comics? The obsessive nerds.

It's a problem with many forms of entertainment. It may be more prevalent a problem concerning anime fans however.

This really does feel universal. Can't think of a fan-base without a seedy underbelly. Take the Sonic fanbase for instance, the things I have seen . . . gotta be otaku level at-least.

 

[dity]

I've seen similar posts which do end up being drive-by trolling, so that's the perspective I'm coming from. And again, I'm hardly offended, just baffled!

Well, if it was drive-by trolling and you seemed to be sure of it... Why respond in kind? Seems self-defeating if you were so sure.

I don't get that at all. I don't think general audiences see "hardcore gamers" as distinct from "multiplayer FPS players". Maybe there are some people on GAF who do. But the only very visible types of games that I see as standing out to people as different are Nintendo games and mobile games, and neither of those would be considered "hardcore gamers". (Which is kind of a silly term anyway, but that's the perception I see.)

I was talking about within the gaming community, as opposed to from outside looking in.

 

[Not]

OPM is anime as fuck, it's just that it's making fun of everything.

I'm just not big on battle/shonen anime and HxH is pretty much the best one out there, hence my recommendation. Oh yeah, there's also Gundam Build Fighters, it helps to be a fan of Gundam but even if you aren't this anime is AMAZING.

I could recommend you more fantastic shows like Space Brothers if you want something more mature or Chihayafuru if you don't mind a show that might be too Japanese because of the sport that is being played.

Did you watch all of Shirobako? The second part of the show is so god damn good, I'd even dare to say that Shirobako is my favorite anime.

Yeah, I watched all of it. I appreciate it like, on a huge scale. I just wouldn't put it in my favorites.

Never got into Gundam beyond what was on Toonami back in the day-- never clicked with me. Same with Neon Genesis. I realize that one is gonna ruffle some feathers, so in this case I'm really going to hide behind this homemade "To Each Their Own" sign.

 

[Nanashrew]

I've seen similar posts which do end up being drive-by trolling, so that's the perspective I'm coming from. And again, I'm hardly offended, just baffled!



I don't get that at all. I don't think general audiences see "hardcore gamers" as distinct from "multiplayer FPS players". Maybe there are some people on GAF who do. But the only very visible types of games that I see as standing out to people as different are Nintendo games and mobile games, and neither of those would be considered "hardcore gamers". (Which is kind of a silly term anyway, but that's the perception I see.)



Ooh, that's bad timing as the website just took Seasons 1 and 2 down, although Season 3 is still available to stream and the first two seasons can be found via other means. But anyway, the Japanese Animator Expo is a project run by Studio Khara and Hideaki Anno (Evangelion), where for 35 weeks they released weekly shorts online from many different prominent creators in the anime industry. The quality varies, as you'd expect from an anthology series, but it has all the strengths of an anthology series as well, with an incredible amount of variety and creativity on display. They're mostly worth watching for one reason or another. I suggest starting with The Ultraman, Bureau of Proto Society, Bubu and Bubulina, and Hammerhead from the shorts that are still available online, but be sure to check out Kanon and 20min Walk if you can. Mahiro Maeda, who directed Gala in Genius Party as well as the incredible Gankutsuou series, directed 20min Walk, Kanon, and Hammerhead, and they really show off his amazing talent.

Thanks for this! I will definitely check all this out!

 

[hosannainexcelsis]

But it felt like a team of direct marketers piling on Not with pamphlets as they walked by on the street. It wasn't like "Oh you like those, try this one too" it was like "You don't like more anime? This will change your mind, cretin. How dare you."

You're reading a lot more emotion into this than there actually is.

Well, if it was drive-by trolling and you seemed to be sure of it... Why respond in kind? Seems self-defeating if you were so sure.

I wasn't responding to him, but to you, in an attempt to show you how his post was coming off to people. I guess I failed.

I was talking about within the gaming community, as opposed to from outside looking in.

I mean, multiplayer games in general (FPS, MMO, DOTA) are highly time-intensive, and so will naturally create their own communities around people invested in a particular game. But I can't say I see too many people, even on GAF, going around saying "I'm not like those filthy FPS players." Maybe I just haven't been looking for that though.

 

[dity]

This is sort of the point I was making on the last page: in a modern context geekdom and geekiness is defined by participation in the community. This is a complete reversal of its historical meaning, but it is the way things are today and if there's an answer to "why hasn't anime broken out into mainstream 'geekdom'" its probably the community

In anime's case, could the problem be accessibility? While with the other 3, these days it might be easy to get into it on your own and carve your own path before trudging into the community, when it comes to anime unless you're just watching Toonami or something it's usually a money/time sink that typically needs community interaction - what with deciding how to spend money if you're not too familiar with it due to how expensive a hobby it can be, to dealing with fansub quality for stuff that can't be obtained any other way and choosing and using legal streaming websites, all that sort of thing. Not sure where I was going with that. Maybe that community intervention is almost a requirement with anime due to its nicheness?

You're reading a lot more emotion into this than there actually is.

I'm an emotional person.

 

[Scrooge McDuck]

But it felt like a team of direct marketers piling on Not with pamphlets as they walked by on the street. It wasn't like "Oh you like those, try this one too" it was like "You don't like more anime? This will change your mind, cretin. How dare you."

To be fair, if your problem was with their tone, I think the more aggressive posters' problem with Not's post was the tone, too.


I understand it's not exactly what you mean, Not, and but your original post could come off as overly dismissive. I realize that you've moved the conversation forward, so I apologize for bringing it up, still.

 

[Sianos]

I hope the final movie isn't complete shit like 3.0.

It's nice and all if it really was Anno trolling the people who keep him fed and all, but you also kind of need the movie to make sense on its own terms, or else it's as good as him sitting in front of the screen berating you for 2 hours.

I'm not even a big anime watcher, but I did see and like the show + End of Eva, because for all its 4th wall messages it also succeeded as a story in its own right. 3.0 is nonsensical poopy.

True, as an individual movie and outside of the context of the message the story does fall flat. You're right, I appreciate what is being attempted and think the message was made pretty well, but story coherence and a lot of necessary background information necessary to have story cohesion especially for newcomers was lost,

Also, the problem with DOTA 2 isn't the community, but rather patch 6.85. JUST SAYIN'

Spoiler

yeah the community is legitimately toxic... but my point also still stands: this meta is pretty unfortunate

 

[KirbYuuYuu]

In anime's case, could the problem be accessibility? While with the other 3, these days it might be easy to get into it on your own and carve your own path before trudging into the community, when it comes to anime unless you're just watching Toonami or something it's usually a money/time sink that typically needs community interaction - what with deciding how to spend money if you're not too familiar with it due to how expensive a hobby it can be, to dealing with fansub quality for stuff that can't be obtained any other way and choosing and using legal streaming websites, all that sort of thing. Not sure where I was going with that. Maybe that community intervention is almost a requirement with anime due to its nicheness?

I'm an emotional person.

If my reintegration with anime has taught me anything, it's that the barrier of entry in terms of money is incredibly low. Much lower than video games, given legal streaming sites like Crunchyroll exists. Like... it's much more difficult to convince someone to not watch something bad vs paying for a bad game.

Of course you are right. You practically need to seek a community just to see if you can get anything worthwhile since you would have no idea where to start.

 

[dity]

To be fair, if your problem was with their tone, I think the more aggressive posters' problem with Not's post was the tone, too.

This is a thread about why the anime community are apparently outcasts, and it's just that if posters are going to get aggressive over an opinion being voiced over that it's probably a factor exactly as to why they're outcasts.

 

[Not]

OK wow so obviously I should've made a better list right at the top

Love:

One-Punch Man

Cowboy Bebop

Anything directed by Hayao Miyazaki (except Howl's)

Ghost In the Shell (1996)

Like:

Dragon Ball Z (from a nostalgic standpoint)

Akira

Is OK:

Samurai Champloo

Shingeki no Kyojin

Fullmetal Alchemist (Haven't seen Brotherhood all the way through, but it probably wouldn't make a difference)

Shirobako

The rest, from what I've personally seen, is ehhh



Sorry to have been so needlessly reductionist, honestly didn't expect anyone to care about that post

 

[hosannainexcelsis]

Thanks for this! I will definitely check all this out!

Great! This thread has all been worth it then.

In anime's case, could the problem be accessibility? While with the other 3, these days it might be easy to get into it on your own and carve your own path before trudging into the community, when it comes to anime unless you're just watching Toonami or something it's usually a money/time sink that typically needs community interaction - what with deciding how to spend money if you're not too familiar with it due to how expensive a hobby it can be, to dealing with fansub quality for stuff that can't be obtained any other way and choosing and using legal streaming websites, all that sort of thing. Not sure where I was going with that. Maybe that community intervention is almost a requirement with anime due to its nicheness?

Anime today is more accessible than it's ever been. You don't even have to go to an anime-specific streaming website such as Crunchyroll or Funimation, you can hop on Hulu and watch a bunch of shows, both old and new ones airing in Japan right now. You don't have to go to video stores, shady distribution methods, or an anime club. You don't even have to pay a cent. It's all there, at your fingertips, anytime you want it.

 

[dity]

If my reintegration with anime has taught me anything, it's that the barrier of entry in terms of money is incredibly low. Much lower than video games, given legal streaming sites like Crunchyroll exists. Like... it's much more difficult to convince someone to not watch something bad vs paying for a bad game.

Of course you are right. You practically need to seek a community just to see if you can get anything worthwhile since you would have no idea where to start.

Services like Crunchy are region-locked though, unfortunately, but if you can deal with that entry is low cost yes - unless you can't do streaming. If you can't stream and you want anime legally you're boned.

Anime today is more accessible than it's ever been. You don't even have to go to an anime-specific streaming website such as Crunchyroll or Funimation, you can hop on Hulu and watch a bunch of shows, both old and new ones airing in Japan right now. You don't have to go to video stores, shady distribution methods, or an anime club. You don't even have to pay a cent. It's all there, at your fingertips, anytime you want it.

You've never heard of "too much choice"? Plus those 3 services are all region-locked. I have Hulu myself, but I have to pay more for a decent DNS unblocker, and even then when you enter the anime section it's like "where do I start?"

 

[Admiral Woofington]

This is a thread about why the anime community are apparently outcasts, and it's just that if posters are going to get aggressive over an opinion being voiced over that it's probably a factor exactly as to why they're outcasts.

the anime community isn't outcast because they're defensive. The anime community is outcast because of the creepy shit a group does and likes, and maybe defends to the death non-ironically.

But if something you like is being used to label you as an outcast it's not surprise that some may get defensive. It'll happen in any other community, it's not like isolated with anime.

 

[NaDannMaGoGo]

This is a thread about why the anime community are apparently outcasts, and it's just that if posters are going to get aggressive over an opinion being voiced over that it's probably a factor exactly as to why they're outcasts.

Bullshit.

This

One-Punch Man's pretty good

Cowboy Bebop is awesome

Miyazaki is top-tier

Dragon Ball Z's fairly entertaining from a nostalgic standpoint

The rest is ehhh

was simple a crappy drive-by comment. I'll gladly call out terrible arguments from either side. A comment like that doesn't warrant much effort in return. Should've been honestly ignored, I'm not sure why people would be suggesting to watch Hunter x Hunter.

 

[Mauricio_Magus]

Yeah, I watched all of it. I appreciate it like, on a huge scale. I just wouldn't put it in my favorites.

Never got into Gundam beyond what was on Toonami back in the day-- never clicked with me. Same with Neon Genesis. I realize that one is gonna ruffle some feathers, so in this case I'm really going to hide behind this homemade "To Each Their Own" sign.

I don't care a lot about Gundam these days, but Gundam Build Fighters is special, check and episode or two if you can, you'll see why.

 

[Crash Station]

OK wow so obviously I should've made a better list right at the top

Love:

One-Punch Man

Cowboy Bebop

Anything directed by Hayao Miyazaki (except Howl's)

Ghost In the Shell (1996)

Like:

Dragon Ball Z (from a nostalgic standpoint)

Akira

Is OK:

Samurai Champloo

Shingeki no Kyojin

Fullmetal Alchemist (Haven't seen Brotherhood all the way through, but it probably wouldn't make a difference)

Shirobako

The rest, from what I've personally seen, is ehhh



Sorry to have been so needlessly reductionist, honestly didn't expect anyone to care about that post

And that's fine. You've clearly tried. People will be more than willing to give recommendations if you ask. If not, ah well, not everyone has to take the plunge.

 

[jstripes]

I hope the final movie isn't complete shit like 3.0.

It's nice and all if it really was Anno trolling the people who keep him fed and all, but you also kind of need the movie to make sense on its own terms, or else it's as good as him sitting in front of the screen berating you for 2 hours.

I'm not even a big anime watcher, but I did see and like the show + End of Eva, because for all its 4th wall messages it also succeeded as a story in its own right. 3.0 is nonsensical poopy.

I'd love a good 3.0+1.0 (or whatever the last movie called now), I've been an Eva fan forever, but if Anno wants to use it as a platform to attack otaku, all the more power too him. I support his cause.

 

[Daingurse]

ignored, I'm not sure why people would be suggesting to watch Hunter x Hunter.

I'm always gonna recommend Hunter x Hunter lol. Hell, even if someone doesn't normally like battle shonen, there's chance they might like Hunter x Hunter because it subverts a lot of common tropes.

I don't care a lot about Gundam these days, but Gundam Build Fighters is special, check and episode or two if you can, you'll see why.

Lol, couldn't stand that show. Gundam Wing and 08th MS Team were among my favorite anime during the Toonami days, and Build Fighters just did not resemble those in the slightest so it turned me off. I think this is why I also didn't really care for G-Gundam much. Wonder if I could appreciate it now . . .

 

[Ralemont]

Anything directed by Hayao Miyazaki (except Howl's)

Fullmetal Alchemist (Haven't seen Brotherhood all the way through, but it probably wouldn't make a difference)

I think this is a special case where it absolutely would. FMA's ending is pretty bad, pulled out of their asses because they caught up with the manga and decided to make up their own story. FMA Brotherhood follows the manga to the end and is awesome.

I'd love a good 3.0+1.0 (or whatever the last movie called now), I've been an Eva fan forever, but if Anno wants to use it as a platform to attack otaku, all the more power too him. I support his cause.

Yes it's very brave of him, making all that money off these people he's shitting on.

 

[KirbYuuYuu]

Services like Crunchy are region-locked though, unfortunately, but if you can deal with that entry is low cost yes - unless you can't do streaming. If you can't stream and you want anime legally you're boned.



You've never heard of "too much choice"? Plus those 3 services are all region-locked. I have Hulu myself, but I have to pay more for a decent DNS unblocker, and even then when you enter the anime section it's like "where do I start?"

I did mention choice was definitely a problem which reenforces your barrier of entry, but yeah...

Region lock stuff is a pain to deal with

 

[dity]

the anime community isn't outcast because they're defensive. The anime community is outcast because of the creepy shit a group does and likes, and maybe defends to the death non-ironically.

But if something you like is being used to label you as an outcast it's not surprise that some may get defensive. It'll happen in any other community, it's not like isolated with anime.

No, it's not 100% the whole reason, it's an added factor. I think I've posted that a few times now. D:

Bullshit.

This was simple a crappy drive-by comment. I'll gladly call out terrible arguments from either side. A comment like that doesn't warrant much effort in return. Should've been honestly ignored, I'm not sure why people would be suggesting to watch Hunter x Hunter.

Yes, it wasn't ignored, instead people chose to get aggressive. So how's that bullshit?

 

[hosannainexcelsis]

Services like Crunchy are region-locked though, unfortunately, but if you can deal with that entry is low cost yes - unless you can't do streaming. If you can't stream and you want anime legally you're boned.

It is true that if you can't stream over the Internet for whatever reason, and want anime, you will have to buy physical media as there is no other way to distribute anime to you. And?

You've never heard of "too much choice"?

Yeah, and with the Internet making everything available instantly, cheaply, and easily, all kinds of media are dealing with that: news, film, television, music, entertainment, information, you name it.

Plus those 3 services are all region-locked. I have Hulu myself, but I have to pay more for a decent DNS unblocker, and even then when you enter the anime section it's like "where do I start?"

Yes, region locking is unfortunately a fact of the Internet being international even when companies are not. All streaming services, from Netflix down, are region locked. As far as the "where do I start" question, Hulu does give recommendations for anime in many different categories when you go to their main anime page, as they do on every other section of their website, and as Netflix does as well.

If you want to say that Japanese animation is not as widely distributed internationally as major American media, then yes, I completely agree.

 

[Line_HTX]

It's OK, Not. Pardon the expression. You clarified your message so you're good!

 

[dity]

It is true that if you can't stream over the Internet for whatever reason, and want anime, you will have to buy physical media as there is no other way to distribute anime to you. And?

It's... expensive? I said that a few posts ago.

Yeah, and with the Internet making everything available instantly, cheaply, and easily, all kinds of media are dealing with that: news, film, television, music, entertainment, information, you name it.

Gonna be frank with you: don't care. Most of those have methods of streamlining and "spoonfeeding" you tastes of what they provide through TV channels, radio stations, genre-based music streaming, and aggregation websites.

Yes, region locking is unfortunately a fact of the Internet being international even when companies are not. All streaming services, from Netflix down, are region locked. As far as the "where do I start" question, Hulu does give recommendations for anime in many different categories when you go to their main anime page, as they do on every other section of their website, and as Netflix does as well.

If you want to say that Japanese animation is not as widely distributed internationally as major American media, then yes, I completely agree.

I'm gonna note that you need to have watched or queued up some anime first on both services before it'll recommend you things.

 

[Poetic.Injustice]

Why do we need to attach ourselves to silly labels like geeks, otakus in the first place?

 

[sonicmj1]

This is a thread about why the anime community are apparently outcasts, and it's just that if posters are going to get aggressive over an opinion being voiced over that it's probably a factor exactly as to why they're outcasts.

You seem way more bothered by how people responded to Not's post than he is.

I am pretty certain that how anime fans recommend anime has nothing to do with why the community exists outside the mainstream of nerd culture. Overly pushy people exist everywhere for every hobby, like the game fans who demanded Roger Ebert play Shadow of the Colossus before he personally dismissed video games as a medium. What they recommend is much more of an issue, and even that isn't the primary factor in my opinion.

 

[jstripes]

Yes it's very brave of him, making all that money off these people he's shitting on.

Maybe those people need shitting on.

Spoiler

Not that they're self aware enough to realize they're being shit upon.

 

[HolyCheck]

Just watch the new one, it's on crunchyroll.

Is there a dub of hunter x hunter on crunchyroll?

I tried croll for a bit, but everything was in japanese and they had barely any dubbed content.

 

[Mauricio_Magus]

Is there a dub of hunter x hunter on crunchyroll?

I tried croll for a bit, but everything was in japanese and they had barely any dubbed content.

I only watch anime with subs so I have no idea tbh.

I doubt it's dubbed, at least yet.

 

[dity]

You seem way more bothered by how people responded to Not's post than he is.

I am pretty certain that how anime fans recommend anime has nothing to do with why the community exists outside the mainstream of nerd culture. Overly pushy people exist everywhere for every hobby, like the game fans who demanded Roger Ebert play Shadow of the Colossus before he personally dismissed video games as a medium. What they recommend is much more of an issue, and even that isn't the primary factor in my opinion.

Eh, I'm just trying to make a point as someone who was a part of the anime community for a long time. It was an example of something I'd mentioned before that was an offputting part of being in the anime community: desperation recommendations.

I don't really gel with the whole "other communities do it too" stuff because it still doesn't really excuse it. Like you're condemning the attitude of those pushy video gamers, but people are using that to kind of act like it's not an issue with anime fans. I really think it is honestly, there's a big amplified clump of those people like the pushy Shadow of the Colosses fans.

 

[teruterubozu]

Many run-of-the-mill Americans don't even know wtf anime is. "What? You like animation?"

 

[hosannainexcelsis]

I'm gonna note that you need to have watched or queued up some anime first on both services before it'll recommend you things.

You seem to have an axe to grind, so this'll be my last post here. But I do just want to point out that I was talking about this:

Which shows up on Hulu's anime page even to someone who isn't logged in and hasn't watched anything on Hulu. There are other categories listed on the page, where Hulu highlights anime in certain genres, recently added anime, simulcasts, etc. Hulu may not be filtering for quality as much as I'd like, but they are trying to direct people to shows they might be interested in, in anime as well as in the rest of their site.

 

[Crash Station]

Is there a dub of hunter x hunter on crunchyroll?

I tried croll for a bit, but everything was in japanese and they had barely any dubbed content.

No HxH dub yet, but one is in the works. Being dub only is unfortunately going to limit your options quite a bit, but there is good stuff out there.

 

[dity]

You seem to have an axe to grind, so this'll be my last post here. But I do just want to point out that I was talking about this:

Which shows up on Hulu's anime page even to someone who isn't logged in and hasn't watched anything on Hulu. There are other categories listed on the page, where Hulu highlights anime in certain genres, recently added anime, simulcasts, etc. Hulu may not be filtering for quality as much as I'd like, but they are trying to direct people to shows they might be interested in, in anime as well as in the rest of their site.

Oh, I thought you meant the personalised recommendations, not just a pick of stuff that's popular or been added recently. I don't believe Netflix works in the same way though - I had to watch anime before it gave me a line of anime it recommended I watch. I find Netflix is just just bad for finding content anyway, but that's a thought for another thread.

 

[Mauricio_Magus]

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Lol, couldn't stand that show. Gundam Wing and 08th MS Team were among my favorite anime during the Toonami days, and Build Fighters just did not resemble those in the slightest so it turned me off. I think this is why I also didn't really care for G-Gundam much. Wonder if I could appreciate it now . . .

Well, GBF is NOT trying to be those anime at all, and it doesn't even matter it's freaking amazing.

 

[RurouniZel]

I feel like that the fans/fanbases can be a huge problem for people just trying to get into a new form of entertainment.

You know what the problem is with Steven Universe? The fans.

You know what the problem is with Dota 2? The community.

You know what the problem is with comics? The obsessive nerds.

It's a problem with many forms of entertainment. It may be more prevalent a problem concerning anime fans however.

Sadly what separates anime from the groups above are three key points (in my opinion of course).

1) Anime is from the East:

Meaning it's not only in another language but is written, designed, paced etc. for an entirely different culture from the west with different symbols, gestures, cues from ours. I've gone through the painful process of trying to introduce people to anime with something as not-so-japanese-y as The Irresponsible Captain Tylor and while many of them enjoyed the show and got a few genuinely good laughs there were a lot of parts that just... went over their heads. It's not a format they're familiar with so they didn't get many things. Which is understandable, but unlike American Comics, DOTA 2, Steven Universe etc. which are designed for Western sensibilities even if they pay homage to eastern anime from time to time (to varying degrees of course), eastern entertainment simply assumes things of its audience that won't usually be true of a Westerner, even a geeky/nerdy Westerner.

2) Many western geeky/nerdy things are either really large fandoms (power in numbers), or sub-fandoms of said larger fandoms (power by protection in numbers):

Most fans of animation I know enjoy enough anime even if they don't consider themselves fans. Most fans of comic books I know enjoy enough manga even if they don't consider themselves fans. But if one isn't an animation/comics fan in general it may be hard to give anime/manga a fair shake. It's not hard to see people becoming fans of things like Dungeons and Dragons when it was heavily influenced by Lord of the Rings, an already established huge fandom in and of itself. But animation has always had a childish stigma in the west, so it's harder for a sub-fandom of an already small adult animation fanbase to really grow in these conditions.

3) The hyper sexualization: The really big one, obviously. It's not that anime being sexy is a problem, it's the way it (often literally) shoves itself into the face of the viewer in a way that makes most people uncomfortable. I rarely ever talk about anime in my regular day to day life because I'm not recommending any of this shit to people. I hardly watch most anime these days anyway for that reason. Part of the fun of a medium is sharing it with others and talking to them. If I have no one to share with, a lot of the fun of a thing just... disappears. Which is destructive to the medium's chances of growth as a whole. Well that and a lot of it is just creepy as fuck.

 

[Ralemont]

Maybe those people need shitting on.

Spoiler

Not that they're self aware enough to realize they're being shit upon.

Thing is, he made the TV show with that theme, right? And instead of it having the intended effect, it just turned Rei and Asuka into sex icons.

So now, what, he's doing the same thing again expecting different results? I call bullshit on that. More likely he just wants to make money but still feel superior about it.

Many people are able to critique elements of society without also taking advantage of the people they look down on. He's basically a step away from being an evangelical preacher.

"Buy me a private jet and maybe Shinji will bang someone! lol jk you suck but thanks for jet."

 

[Russ T]

An awful lot of time policing as opposed to actual discussion on this latest page, geez.

 

[BGBW]

People are responding in seeming offence to the "but otherwise anime is ehh" part and seem offended by it, despite it just being Not's opinion. See hosannainexcelsis' response above.

Responding to and pointing out absurdity = being offended.

Learning this actually makes a whole lot of Internet communication far clearer now. I shall read every back and forth as people being offended about everything.