Abstrusity
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>McSkill can't kill Pharah as much anymore because it takes 4 shots instead of 3
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Yea the widowmaker nerf does nothing.
Bodyshots wasn't really a big issue, the issue was how she could dominate from back lines and yet be hard to kill close range by her supposed counters. There is absolutely nothing in game for the "widowmaker counters" that will help them finish off a widowmaker once she grapples away because their weapons won't be effective anywhere but close range...and once she is with another enemy or a healer it's over.
Reasons why she is hard to kill:
1) Submachine gun
2) Panic mine for insta damage
3) Long ass grapple
4) 200HP on what is quite possibly the tiniest frame in this game apart from Tracer.
5) Always close to enemies so reinforcements/healers are just one grapple away
Bodyshots wasn't really a big issue, the issue was how she could dominate from back lines and yet be hard to kill close range by her supposed counters. There is absolutely nothing in game for the "widowmaker counters" that will help them finish off a widowmaker once she grapples away because their weapons won't be effective anywhere but close range...and once she is with another enemy or a healer it's over.
Reasons why she is hard to kill:
1) Submachine gun
2) Panic mine for insta damage
3) Long ass grapple
4) 200HP on what is quite possibly the tiniest frame in this game apart from Tracer.
5) Always close to enemies so reinforcements/healers are just one grapple away
Yeah, I routinely kill tracers with Roadhog, Junkrat, and Reaper, so I'm not sure why anyone would need to nerf Tracer.
Huh? Pharah has 200 right? That's 5 shots at 45 a shot, 4 is only 180, but any okay McCree is just gonna be left clicking pharah out of the sky anyways, not fan the hammer.
Reaper? Genji? Winston? Another Widow?
If she can grapple and get away then you're not running the right characters to take her out. That's not an issue with her character.
Kaffeemann
Banned
I just realized that the McCree Fan the Hammer nerf also makes armor more effective against him.
Winston's 100 armor used to reduce FtH damage by 10, now it's 15.
Reinhardt's 200 armor used to reduce FtH damage by 15, now it's 25.
To cut through D.Va's 400 armor you need two FtHs in both cases. It's 35 vs. 50 damage reduction.
Winston's 100 armor used to reduce FtH damage by 10, now it's 15.
Reinhardt's 200 armor used to reduce FtH damage by 15, now it's 25.
To cut through D.Va's 400 armor you need two FtHs in both cases. It's 35 vs. 50 damage reduction.
xCaptainCanadax
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Soldier 76 would be my recommendation for starting out. If you want to try and learn how the other characters play you could play Mercy and heal your teammates while observing behaviors.
It's live. Just tells you how meaningless these nerfs were.
RespectThySole
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Lucio, Reaper, Soldier 76
Abstrusity
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McCree is a fat target and dies to two direct hits. Hitscan is a pain but few McCrees have the sense to time their movement to my attacks because they're so worried about M1 to win at that range. And you arealso right. For some reason I thought it was dropped to 50, not 45.
Ok, that's a good idea.
Another widow is the only good counter to a widow, rest don't work reliably.
Genji and Reaper are my most player characters.
I am quite possibly among the top
Edit: And yea every Widow player will bunny hop like a fucker because it reduces her frame even more.
Ok, Lucio seems like a fun character to play; he has wall riding right?
The annoying jumping when caught is the worst, because it makes her even smaller.
Yeah, most will never master it but that's ok, he's still really good if you get his basics down.
super-famicom
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Yup. If you play with a controller, remap his jump button to L2/LT for an easier time.
No, she easily gets away, literally all she has to do so use grapple to her team, and then the best you can do is trade one for one. her counters are more of an annoyance then true counters.
But the nerf will still help because you WON'T need to try so hard to counter every widow now, reduced body shot damage combined with the big nerf to quick scoping means your team will be able to actually do stuff while you're flanking the widow, and combined with not really being able to quick scope heroes in close range it should increase the skill needed for a widow to be so dominate by quite a bit.
Mobius and pet octopus
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Don't forget the whole unscoping animation thing. That actually reduces her mobility as well as her situational awareness, two things a sniper with a large zoom should be weak on. That kinda brings hanzo a bit forward in line since he doesn't lack those 2 things.
And her ult charge... not sure if 10% makes a big difference, although I felt it charged incredibly fast before tbf.
It's a pretty decent nerf based on the belief by blizzard that widow was not OP but just frustrating. Imagine if they thought she was in fact OP... probably no headshot damage increase.
And her ult charge... not sure if 10% makes a big difference, although I felt it charged incredibly fast before tbf.
It's a pretty decent nerf based on the belief by blizzard that widow was not OP but just frustrating. Imagine if they thought she was in fact OP... probably no headshot damage increase.
super-famicom
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You have used up all your luck for the rest of the year.
I've played both Widowmaker and Hanzo. Regardless of the Hanzo hate, Widowmaker doesn't require more precision. Try to play Hanzo for an entire day and see if you get the dominating type of games that Widowmakers get.
It's the same damage as his normal fire, realistically it doesn't make sense that he suddenly has weaker bullets loaded, but welcome to esports where the lore doesn't matter.
toastyToast
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I think they left it on purpose to see the reaction in the wild.
It didn't do headshot damage though while primary fire did.
Mobius and pet octopus
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His gun mechanically compensates for reduced power per shot to shoot faster. McCree blames the decline in his weaponry on America for not voting for Trump. Lore complete.
Felix Lighter
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It's not esports, it's balancing any multiplayer game. You have this super elite fighting force and their arch enemies escorting a limo across a movie set. Lore is not a thing out of the gates.
So many McCree players don't even know he has a primary fire.
toastyToast
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Just bought a sleep-deprived pack of lootboxes
Every purple I got was a duplicate. Never again.
Every purple I got was a duplicate. Never again.
Dr. Buni
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Another Widowmaker is literally the only actual counter there is to Widowmaker. Good thing there is always someone willing to play her, too bad most people suck with her.
The Omega Man
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Sitting at 4k currency, waiting for new sweet skins to be added, Blizzard pls.
I LOVE when my team all decide to be one class. It's a lot of fun (but we usually lose).
super-famicom
Member
I think the game would be much better and more fun if they just removed Hanzo and Widowmaker entirely, as well as the Hanamura map. Widow maker is just a shit anti-fun class that adds wallhacks to the game (what the fuck were the thinking), and every weeabo wants to play Hanzo. and there are tons of them. Every single game without either character is just 73% more fun (scientifically calculated) win or lose.
You misspelled Genji.
Vital Tundra
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Surprised we didn't get the Dva buff.
Dead Prince
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next is reduce hanzo's arrow hitbox. please blizzard before everyone realize it's huge
That too but I actually see waaaaaaaay more Hanzo's than Genji's, even with Widowmakers already on the team.
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