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Overwatch |OT3| White, White, Blue, White
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More Fun To Compute
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They are assuming that you are in a full voice comm team and are using your best competitive strategies even if they are no fun "cancer" strategies. Other people might be in a 6 man but are not using comms and are just playing whatever they feel like. Basically accusing you of treating a kick around in the park like the FIFA world cup finals.
My sentiments exactly, except on PS4.
The entire team can play Widowmaker on attack if they want. Just jump on the objective when you need to, that's all I ask.
Zomba13
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Same. It's just a useless "insult". Oh we only won because we were "tryharding" and you weren't? Well, maybe you should try and win next time and not whine like a baby because you lost a stupid videogame.
Well it depends on how the play.
I checked both their profiles and who would've thought they only ever played Genji / Hanzo. I get it they're both cool Ninjas and shit but people who play only a single hero are insufferable.
My most played character, Genji - 20 hours
2nd most , Reaper - 7 hours
3rd most, Roadhog - 5 hours
Basically if I am attacking, then 95% of the time I will play Genji, if I am defending then my choices are spread between 5-6 other heroes. Ofcourse I change when necessary but more often than I don't have to since being my best character I am the most effective as him.
I won't really say anything to the team even if they are being useless, there's just no point. I'll secretly start to get a bit pissed off if the same person kills me repeatedly and I did rage quit once when the same Roadhog hooked me about 10 times in a row but I'm calm 99% of the time
LonelyGreyWolf
Banned
I only get mad when I do poorly myself. I'm really proudful in that way. It doesn't really bother me if my teammates are terrible or if we lost -- as long as I did good myself, I'm happy. But when I start underperforming and feel like I myself am the weak link; that's when I sometimes get upset with myself. I know I messed up if I didn't get a single gold medal or card at the end (except sometimes when I play tank, as tanks don't really have their own category in medals, but often do get objective time).
Damn it, I feel like a moron again. I've been steadily lowering my sensitivity to improve my aiming in the game and was at the practice range to train my tracking. I noticed that something felt very off when I was tracking something close.
Turns out I had some disgusting mouse acceleration enabled in windows. Probably never noticed it since you're making slower movements with higher sens.
I've been off competitive FPS's for way too long.
Turns out I had some disgusting mouse acceleration enabled in windows. Probably never noticed it since you're making slower movements with higher sens.
I've been off competitive FPS's for way too long.
Yeah, this is me. Sure it annoys me when I see two teammates not jumping on the point in overtime but if I played well and had fun I don't care too much about a quick play defeat. But I hate feeling like the weakest link, dragging good players down.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
I never once rage quit in this game. If we're getting our beaten badly I'm still gonna want the XP points in the end instead of repeatedly backing out and searching for competent teams. I'm so numb to losses that I predict them a minute into a match. lol
Mobius and pet octopus
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Let's talk team compositions, for pub play.
The best mix imo is still 2 tank, 2 support, 2 def/off.
I'll start off talking about tanks, maybe talk about support and def/off in another post.
Tanks:
Tanks create space. They hold the front lines so your damage have room to maneuver about. They do this by covering essential choke points, disruption, or downright tanking damage. They also punish teams for breaching their space.
Why are 2 tanks important? I can't say precisely why. But you're more resilient overall as a team, and when a tank dies you still have someone to help create that space you desperately need. You're also much more difficult to hard counter, because the tanks can make up for the weaknesses of each other. The idea that a tank can't have high damage is false. Surely they aren't the highest on the DPS chart but the damage they contribute can matter a great deal. So picking up a second tank doesn't mean you're not going to be able to kill people. Well played tanks can be highly contributive to eliminations and damage. Also keep in mind that tanks dying is a bigger deal than damage or healing at times. They generally take way longer to get back to the field and even when a support dies you can still re-up by health packs. So having what could amount to a backup can prevent the team from losing from a snowball effect (small seemingly inconsequential death rolls into a big win).
Just based on my hundreds of games in CBT and now hundreds of games in live, I feel like double tanks is a very strong starting point for a pub to succeed. It can be adjusted throughout the game as needed, but especially for that very first push I feel a lot more confident in my team's success when I have 2 tanks on my side. And I know it's gonna be rough when my team doesn't and my opponent's team does.
Lets get this out of the way. D.VA on defense as a solo tank. Is shit. Roadhog as on offense as a solo tank, also sucks. Those are my two biggest pet peeves for tanks. Hell, Zarya as a solo defense tank... is pretty bad too. Winston and D.VA are not great solo tanks.
Roadhog without reinhardt or zarya on offense is terrible. You're just a huge target to feed the opponent ults. Maybe he is okay with winston, but I haven't seen it enough to comment, but likely only good against certain compositions. As for defense... I think Roadhog can work as a solo tank, but as a solo tank you're likely to get countered if you succeed on a wave or two. And then by the time you get back the point is captured or the payload has moved on etc..
D.VA on defense just doesn't bring that much to the table, although I've seen it work sorta like winston but frankly winston just might be better anyway.
My personal favorites combinations are... zarya + any tank. Barrier is just that good. And Zarya works okay against most tanks, so as long as your other tank is not being countered hard, it's probably a pretty decent pairing, or at least workable.
Reinhardt + roadhog. Very strong against a solo reinhardt or just any reinhardt in general. Just shoot shield til drop, hook, both whack = dead reinhardt. Stops your roadhog from being free ults for your opponent team, or easy headshots for widows etc..
Double winston. Pretty classic but people will just hard counter this with reapers and/or roadhogs, so pretty risky but also pretty devastating if your opponent team can't deal with it. This works simpy due to sheer damage output of 2 winstons, plus having 2 bubbles at your disposal, and their high mobility to take advantage of a momentary weakness, and then ult to jump from near death to 1k health.
The best mix imo is still 2 tank, 2 support, 2 def/off.
I'll start off talking about tanks, maybe talk about support and def/off in another post.
Tanks:
Tanks create space. They hold the front lines so your damage have room to maneuver about. They do this by covering essential choke points, disruption, or downright tanking damage. They also punish teams for breaching their space.
Why are 2 tanks important? I can't say precisely why. But you're more resilient overall as a team, and when a tank dies you still have someone to help create that space you desperately need. You're also much more difficult to hard counter, because the tanks can make up for the weaknesses of each other. The idea that a tank can't have high damage is false. Surely they aren't the highest on the DPS chart but the damage they contribute can matter a great deal. So picking up a second tank doesn't mean you're not going to be able to kill people. Well played tanks can be highly contributive to eliminations and damage. Also keep in mind that tanks dying is a bigger deal than damage or healing at times. They generally take way longer to get back to the field and even when a support dies you can still re-up by health packs. So having what could amount to a backup can prevent the team from losing from a snowball effect (small seemingly inconsequential death rolls into a big win).
Just based on my hundreds of games in CBT and now hundreds of games in live, I feel like double tanks is a very strong starting point for a pub to succeed. It can be adjusted throughout the game as needed, but especially for that very first push I feel a lot more confident in my team's success when I have 2 tanks on my side. And I know it's gonna be rough when my team doesn't and my opponent's team does.
Lets get this out of the way. D.VA on defense as a solo tank. Is shit. Roadhog as on offense as a solo tank, also sucks. Those are my two biggest pet peeves for tanks. Hell, Zarya as a solo defense tank... is pretty bad too. Winston and D.VA are not great solo tanks.
Roadhog without reinhardt or zarya on offense is terrible. You're just a huge target to feed the opponent ults. Maybe he is okay with winston, but I haven't seen it enough to comment, but likely only good against certain compositions. As for defense... I think Roadhog can work as a solo tank, but as a solo tank you're likely to get countered if you succeed on a wave or two. And then by the time you get back the point is captured or the payload has moved on etc..
D.VA on defense just doesn't bring that much to the table, although I've seen it work sorta like winston but frankly winston just might be better anyway.
My personal favorites combinations are... zarya + any tank. Barrier is just that good. And Zarya works okay against most tanks, so as long as your other tank is not being countered hard, it's probably a pretty decent pairing, or at least workable.
Reinhardt + roadhog. Very strong against a solo reinhardt or just any reinhardt in general. Just shoot shield til drop, hook, both whack = dead reinhardt. Stops your roadhog from being free ults for your opponent team, or easy headshots for widows etc..
Double winston. Pretty classic but people will just hard counter this with reapers and/or roadhogs, so pretty risky but also pretty devastating if your opponent team can't deal with it. This works simpy due to sheer damage output of 2 winstons, plus having 2 bubbles at your disposal, and their high mobility to take advantage of a momentary weakness, and then ult to jump from near death to 1k health.
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
I guess if we were 6 man groups on comms with recognized competetive 2-2-2 comps I could understand. But it's always just regular solo quick play, everyone playing what they want. I don't even know 5 other people that play the game.
buy teh haloz
Banned
Same here. See the match to the bitter end
Nothing wrong with that if you change when necessary. It's just irritating if someone literally only plays Genji for 50+ hours and is barely below 50% winrate because they don't know how the other heroes work.
CyanideFuse
Member
I've done one rage quit but it was more out of disgust for myself if I am being honest. I just needed to get up and have a walk around to re-calibrate my faculties; a few minutes away can work wonders.
I often have an OW Twitch stream on when doing work and it boggles my mind how they can sit there for hour-upon-hour playing. It is like watching a descent into madness.
I think they're using the term incorrectly. I always considered a "tryhard" someone that was really not very good at the game but throws around commands like they're a special forces operator and yells at everyone on their team for being terrible.
Also, I need to start playing again. I've been away for about 3 weeks. I chopped the end of my ring finger off and had to have it sewn back on. It's healed enough I can probably use a mouse well enough to aim again
Based on my experience, I'm suggesting a new character that uses a hedge trimmer as a weapon, they are formidable weapons, believe me.I love that level with Lucio, you can wait in the side tunnel on the indoor part and keep pushing people over the edge as they run down the steps
Always thought tryharding means playing super serious.I think they're using the term incorrectly. I always considered a "tryhard" someone that was really not very good at the game but throws around commands like they're a special forces operator and yells at everyone on their team for being terrible.
Also, I need to start playing again. I've been away for about 3 weeks. I chopped the end of my ring finger off and had to have it sewn back on. It's healed enough I can probably use a mouse well enough to aim again
My friends and myself always put this kind of players into our avoid list. I don't care whether they're good or not with their "main", if they cannot adapt themselves to enemy comp, I don't wanna play with them.
Dr. Buni
Member
I am not even this kind of player who only plays one hero, before someone says anyfin, but I think people like you are the insufferable ones. So fucking obnoxious, let people play what they want.
Pathetic.
I checked both their profiles and who would've thought they only ever played Genji / Hanzo. I get it they're both cool Ninjas and shit but people who play only a single hero are insufferable.
Yeah, I can't stand people like that either. Like this one for example, probably the worst offender yet: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=207158981&postcount=6712
Nocturnowl
Member
Road to #1 by total score:
Funny that, I swear I was 252 for Zen on PS4 last time I checked, spooky numerical coincidence....
And now I'm 337 , it's not been a good week for my Zen plays.
Not a Jellyfish
but I am a sheep
I haven't played this since the beta.
Have it downloading now, did decent at the beta, looking forward to see how wrecked I get now.
Playing on PS4.
Have it downloading now, did decent at the beta, looking forward to see how wrecked I get now.
Playing on PS4.
Feel free to disagree but I think it's pathetic if someone is playing nothing but Hanzo and cries that the team needs a tank and a healer.
lucebuce12
Member
Honestly, I could play Mercy all the time but sadly other people pick healing supports too so I have to play something else.
And it is a true testament to how bad your team is when you have over 13k healing in the match, once even get a full team resurrection with the enemy team having neither a Lucio or Zenyatta or Mercy... and your team still gets wiped.
And it is a true testament to how bad your team is when you have over 13k healing in the match, once even get a full team resurrection with the enemy team having neither a Lucio or Zenyatta or Mercy... and your team still gets wiped.
Felix Lighter
Member
Zarya has become my most feared hero. I see her a lot and the people using her are mostly good. Difficult to kill and good at protecting allies. They quickly become huge damage dealers as well. I hold fire pretty well when I see the shield but you can't expect 6 players to be disciplined. A single good Zarya is able to will her team to victory.
Not sure if I should congratulate or pity you for playing 100 hours of Overwatch with a single character. And I'm not talking about the whole "you're hurting your team" here.
You're only playing a portion of the game by doing so.
Can't imagine myself doing the same with one of my favorite character, Junkrat. I'd be bored out of my mind after a few hours of not trying the 20 other options.
She's like Winston to me, I get wrecked by them on the other team but when I try playing them I struggle to stay alive for more than 2 seconds
in fact
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Forerunner
Member
She's definitely my favorite tank! As the ability to dish out a huge amount of burst damage if played right. She also has the best ult in the game, if your teammates can take advantage of it.
Nocturnowl
Member
Ain't that the truth.
I swear when you face a good Zarya it's like "these shields last forever!"
Then when I play as her it feels like I blinked and missed my shield phase.
A great Zarya who successfully saves allies from death by perfectly timed shields makes me weep.
pelicansurf
Needs a Holiday on Gallifrey
Zarya is amazing. Sometimes I don't get many eliminations when I play her, but constantly saving teammates, tanking damage myself, using her ult to blow out a team, and getting to maximum charge + zoning out the defense by hurling giant orbs of death in the general area we're trying to get to is the best.
So fun.
So fun.
I've had so much fun, without any communications at all, but people choosing the right (or most fun characters, like: all winston and two lucios, etc) with some teams on PS4. Teams where you want to add every player as a friend afterward and do a hey ho lets go yell at the end or at the front of each math. And I remeind you, ZERO communication.
I've had matches where I was trying hard not to become salty, because I hate salty players, but after a while there's just goofing around with tactics but still trying to win, and there's plain old bad choice making and egotistical ways of playing, and getting your butts kicked and not changing characters.
It can go both ways. I don't understand why I never meet anyone on chat on PS4. No one is ever on comms. I doubt this will change when ranked starts.
BrassDragon
Member
I'm not really feeling the Widowmaker nerf when I'm doing the usual sniping, except that Zenyatta no longer melts when I look at him... but it's definitely noticeable when I try to clutch the objective. I used to be able to hold / delay off a few enemies with automatic fire and quick-sniping around cover but that's no longer as glorious as it used to be.
TheLetdown
Member
This, so much.
Occasionally, I'll have a good game with her. But I never feel like because I finally "get" her. It's just, that was a good game. Next time I'll suck so badly I won't play her for a dozen rounds.
Also, if anyone has some Genji tips on console, I'm all ears. I'm either on killstreak fire or I'm running back from spawn all game double jumping merrily.
yeehamuffins
Member
Count me among those who wishes he knew how other players play Zarya so well. So many times I've seen enemy Zarya's running around with full charge, and meanwhile every time I play her I'm lucky to get up to 50% before somebody seems to tear through my shields and send me right back to 0 and the spawn room. I should probably practice with her more, I suppose.
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