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[Nocturnowl]

Oh golly gosh another Winston PotG as I blitzed the enemy team off the payload point in overtime with primal rage thanks to a timely Mercy resurrection.
To think I purchased highlight intros for Zen and Mei that I never see while Winston is racking up my plays.
So in celebration I went and got me the one where he's breathing on his glasses.

I got POTG yesterday with only 1 kill. It was a long range head shot 1 second into the game but it was still just the 1 kill.... Weird.

I had this once in the beta, fully charged Zenyatta orbs out the opening door on attack, no sniping for that widowmaker, granted nothing much else happened in said match, it was quick.
They class stuff like this as sharpshooter I believe and I don't see it often, only got it one other time as Zenyatta for two long range headshots in succession.

 

[eek5]

Your aim needs to be on point if a Tracer or something comes after you? He doesn't seem to have any options besides kill them before they kill you.

I mean you want to stay on the back lines, with your team. If a hero that's designed to disrupt the back lines comes for you then you've been countered. Zen doesn't have escapes so your options are to kill the person, have your team help you kill the person, or die. Pretty black and white lol

 

[Plywood]

How do you be an effective Zenyatta?

Speaking from experience on killing Zenyatta the one's that are hardest to deal with are those who stick around their teammates(typically behind them) and largely stay away from the frontlines until they have an ULT they're about to pop.

 

[LucidMomentum]

Level 25? I'm barely about to hit 20. Guess I'm grinding tonight.

 

[truestatic]

Your aim needs to be on point if a Tracer or something comes after you? He doesn't seem to have any options besides kill them before they kill you.

You aren't wrong there. Tracer can tear you up when she gets in the back and there isn't much you can do about it besides being aggressive and hope your team takes notice you're in trouble.

 

[Dead Prince]

Speaking from experience on killing Zenyatta the one's that are hardest to deal with are those who stick around their teammates(typically behind them) and largely stay away from the frontlines until they have an ULT they're about to pop.

when they die to zenyatta that's when their whole team comes after you. been there too many times. along with being Mei. no one cared until they die to my icicle
i only hide behind good rein. not the one that put up shield and decide to charge leaving me to die.

 

[More Fun To Compute]

They actually removed the avoid player feature so people couldn't avoid snipers ruining their games. Why not remove snipers instead. The majority of people don't like them in their game. They objectively make FPS games less enjoyable.

 

[Onemic]

Public test region and new beta patch available:
https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/blog/20157263

Wonder if that means symmetras alt fire will no longer go through reinhardts shield?

 

[Haly]

Zenyatta folds against Tracer/Genji/Reaper so I wouldn't use him if those guys are hanging around your flanks.

 

[truestatic]

Wonder if that means symmetras alt fire will no longer go through reinhardts shield?

No. Symmetra's orb ignoring Reinhardt's shield isn't a bug, it's intended.

They actually removed the avoid player feature so people couldn't avoid snipers ruining their games. Why not remove snipers instead. The majority of people don't like them in their game. They objectively make FPS games less enjoyable.

Because if Blizz listened to complaints like this I'm pretty sure what we'd have left is a shooter with no characters and no maps.

 

[LiK]

Wonder if that means symmetras alt fire will no longer go through reinhardts shield?

No

 

[SocksAndShoes]

How do you be an effective Zenyatta?

Stay in the middle/rear of the pack, constantly monitor teammate's health and be ready to move around to keep the ones needing health most in your sightlines.

Use your discord orbs on priority targets (healers, then tanks) and concentrate on taking them out.

Watch out for flanking Genjis and Tracers, and be wary of Bastions in turret mode that have a clear shot at you. They will shred you before you have a chance to react. Try to stay near tanks/healers on your team so the enemies have someone else to shoot at.

Lastly, use your ultimate on final pushes and to help mitigate damage from Ults. Zenyatta's Ult can almost fully cancel out the effects of some enemy ults (reaper comes to mind).

 

[Fersis]

Not sure about this. On one hand, it was good to have a way to sort of curate my experience with this system but on the other hand, it didn't fucking work. Kept getting matchmade with Avoided players constantly. Hopefully it's just all being consolidated into the Block system.

Cuz they had disabled that system before removing the option.

Is there anyone streaming PTR right nao?

 

[eek5]

Wonder if that means symmetras alt fire will no longer go through reinhardts shield?

There is a bug where some projectiles can go through the center of rein's shield. I think slightly upper left of the center while hes walking up an incline.

 

[Shake Appeal]

The Overwatch universe makes no sense. Reinhardt's shield can deflect Zarya's beam, but not Symmetra's seconday fire. Genji can deflect the latter but not the former.

 

[Interfectum]

They actually removed the avoid player feature so people couldn't avoid snipers ruining their games. Why not remove snipers instead. The majority of people don't like them in their game. They objectively make FPS games less enjoyable.

Yup same with turrets. Tracer is annoying too. I also don't like falling off ledges, seems cheap. Remove them. Noob nade spam sucks, remove that. Actually remove ults too. Cheap ways for quick kills.

 

[Ghost is Bad]

Wonder if that means symmetras alt fire will no longer go through reinhardts shield?

its supposed to go through it lol

 

[SocksAndShoes]

The Overwatch universe makes no sense. Reinhardt's shield can deflect Zarya's beam, but not Symmetra's seconday fire. Genji can deflect the latter but not the former.

Genji can deflect Symmetra's charge fire? Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa????

 

[More Fun To Compute]

Because if Blizz listened to complaints like this I'm pretty sure what we'd have left is a shooter with no characters and no maps.

You mean if they listened to complaints like this they might make an awesome game with no snipers ruining the game for the majority with maps designs that were not mostly designed around sniping.

 

[LiK]

The Overwatch universe makes no sense. Reinhardt's shield can deflect Zarya's beam, but not Symmetra's seconday fire. Genji can deflect the latter but not the former.

Yea, why does Zarya's beam not go through it? I thought it was supposed to.

 

[Ghost is Bad]

I think it's because Symmetra's weapon is technically not solid, therefore you can't really block it while Zarya is just firing hyperspeed particles

 

[LiK]

I think it's because Symmetra's weapon is technically not solid, therefore you can't really block it while Zarya is just firing hyperspeed particles

O_O

 

[R0ckman]

How exactly do you factor this into MMR though? Do you penalize players for individual bad plays? If they're at a point and instead of taking a step forward to contest they take a step back their MMR drops on the spot?

They might have to look at characters, look at time played, the effectiveness of the character, measure how much objective time each character could have (a reasonable amount based on the character), how long you played them in the match. Whatever the case, solo matchmaking is terrible.

BUT I do think group is great, sometimes I get a lot of the golds in my group sometimes I don't but the games are always amazing and I very rarely have one sided jokes. A lot of losses we do have come from too many of us refusing to switch characters. So all the matches fill somewhat winnable.

I may just have to stick to groups I guess. I'm never mean in chat, and give suggestions to my team but a lot of the times people don't know what contesting a point or overtime is, don't care about synergy combos with characters etc. Even people trying new characters will ask for help, and even on a bad team I get on ocassion I can tell when they are trying because they ask for help. I've a children calling out teleporters, if a kid can do it it shouldn't be hard for the average player.

I'm going to see how random plays in competetive out of curiousity but probably never touching outside of groups.

 

[LonelyGreyWolf]

Can't hold all these Caveman Spongebob memes.

I enjoy this meme too much, lol. It'll never get annoying to me.

 

[eek5]

They might have to look at characters, look at time played, the effectiveness of the character, measure how much objective time each character could have (a reasonable amount based on the character), how long you played them in the match. Whatever the case, solo matchmaking is terrible.

OK so do you lock them into those heroes then? Seems kind of strict for quick play. How do I get my other heroes MMR rankings? What if I match making put me into a high MMR match as one hero but the other team is countering hard. Is it OK to switch?

 

[Shake Appeal]

Genji can deflect Symmetra's charge fire? Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa????

Yup. It changes color and flies back at her. Pretty useless 99.9% of the time, since it's so easily dodged as Genji anyway.

Also, Genji can deflect Junkrat spam (and mine) but not his trap. Blizzard??

 

[Symphonic]

You mean if they listened to complaints like this they might make an awesome game with no snipers ruining the game for the majority with maps designs that were not mostly designed around sniping.

This is a weird complaint, snipers don't ruin any games that I'm in. It's part of the tactic.

 

[toastyToast]

<52% win rate now. Why god why?

According to Jeff's post my MMR should be staying decent if I perform well in my role though. Does that mean those games where I get 7 kills with Lucio and 4 gold medals my MMR is actually going up?

 

[TheLetdown]

Here's a question:

Should Reaper's ult have more of a call-out prior to the attack? What I mean is that, in its current state, when he begins to say the first "Die" in "Die, Die, Die," he's already shooting. The ult is already in effect.

Should this be timed out so that shooting doesn't begin until after the first "Die" or at least after it begins?

For comparison, D.Va has a loud call-out and then a big flashing exclamation point showing the exact location of her mech before it explodes. Junkrat laughs and pulls his the cord prior to the tire being controllable. S76 and McCree can't their ults until you hear about them.

 

[chaobreaker]

The Overwatch universe makes no sense. Reinhardt's shield can deflect Zarya's beam, but not Symmetra's seconday fire. Genji can deflect the latter but not the former.

Makes sense to me.

Reinhart's shield is an energy shield therefore energy projectiles can phase through it

Genji can reflect any projectile therefore he can reflect Symmetra's charge beam.

 

[Data West]

Symmetra talking about bad team when they're playing Symmetra on a KOTH map

incoming, 'but my symmetra is different' posts

 

[R0ckman]

if they're doing that all the time they're losing a lot and are low mmr, and if you're getting matched with people like that all the time then... well...

Most people are having this problem though, so...

 

[Saucycarpdog]

People learn with time. This statement is so reactionary when you still have folks playing TDM and running in solo vs a whole team.

It's been almost a month now. Shouldn't people know by now this isn't a TDM game? And what if there are people who are just content with playing TDM?

I'm not saying Torbjorn is OP like the author but I'm getting tired of the excuse "Give it time" when discussing bad teamwork in pub games.

 

[Haly]

Yea, why does Zarya's beam not go through it? I thought it was supposed to.

I don't know where this came from but at some people just made the blind assertion that "beam weapons go through barriers", probably because none of them actually play Zarya. It's likely because they assumed barriers obey the same rules as Deflect.

Things that go through barriers:
Reinhardt's Special
Symmetra's Alt
Winston's Primary

That's all I can think of.

 

[CrackpotDesert]

Stay in the middle/rear of the pack, constantly monitor teammate's health and be ready to move around to keep the ones needing health most in your sightlines.

Use your discord orbs on priority targets (healers, then tanks) and concentrate on taking them out.

Watch out for flanking Genjis and Tracers, and be wary of Bastions in turret mode that have a clear shot at you. They will shred you before you have a chance to react. Try to stay near tanks/healers on your team so the enemies have someone else to shoot at.

Lastly, use your ultimate on final pushes and to help mitigate damage from Ults. Zenyatta's Ult can almost fully cancel out the effects of some enemy ults (reaper comes to mind).

Thanks. Though my biggest problem with him as a healer is that if lots of teammates are grouped together, it's hard to heal the person that you want. I hate it when somebody dies because I was accidentally healing the person standing in front of them.

I don't know where this came from but at some people just made the blind assertion that "beam weapons go through barriers", probably because none of them actually play Zarya. It's likely because they assumed barriers obey the same rules as Deflect.

Things that go through barriers:
Reinhardt's Special
Symmetra's Alt
Winston's Primary

That's all I can think of.

How do people deal with Reinhardt cheese when only 3 characters can ignore his shield?

 

[aeolist]

<52% win rate now. Why god why?

According to Jeff's post my MMR should be staying decent if I perform well in my role though. Does that mean those games where I get 7 kills with Lucio and 4 gold medals my MMR is actually going up?

i think the idea is that it's win-loss based but weighted, so games where you do really well and lose won't count as heavily but still hurt your mmr.

 

[jello44]

Public test region and new beta patch available:
https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/blog/20157263

Speaking of

I wish they would hurry up and implement the last patch on Consoles.

 

[eek5]

<52% win rate now. Why god why?

According to Jeff's post my MMR should be staying decent if I perform well in my role though. Does that mean those games where I get 7 kills with Lucio and 4 gold medals my MMR is actually going up?

No it probably goes down but not as much (assuming you were high MMR on a low MMR team against a high MMR team). Who knows though.

Most people are having this problem though, so...

How is it possible for "most people" to have this problem if the other team is always playing the objective?

 

[Mobius and pet octopus]

Here's a question:

Should Reaper's ult have more of a call-out prior to the attack? What I mean is that, in its current state, when he begins to say the first "Die" in "Die, Die, Die," he's already shooting. The ult is already in effect.

Should this be timed out so that shooting doesn't begin until after the first "Die" or at least after it begins?

For comparison, D.Va has a loud call-out and then a big flashing exclamation point showing the exact location of her mech before it explodes. Junkrat laughs and pulls his the cord prior to the tire being controllable. S76 and McCree can't their ults until you hear about them.

Reaper's ult is easy enough to counter. Just shoot him in the face, he is largely a standing still target and if 2-3 people are competent enough to react they can kill him before you die.

 

[Ghost is Bad]

Here's a question:

Should Reaper's ult have more of a call-out prior to the attack? What I mean is that, in its current state, when he begins to say the first "Die" in "Die, Die, Die," he's already shooting. The ult is already in effect.

Should this be timed out so that shooting doesn't begin until after the first "Die" or at least after it begins?

For comparison, D.Va has a loud call-out and then a big flashing exclamation point showing the exact location of her mech before it explodes. Junkrat laughs and pulls his the cord prior to the tire being controllable. S76 and McCree can't their ults until you hear about them.

Don't think so. He's pretty similar to Pharah in regards that their ults would be kind of worthless if there was a warning when they're used.

 

[LiK]

I don't know where this came from but at some people just made the blind assertion that "beam weapons go through barriers", probably because none of them actually play Zarya. It's likely because they assumed barriers obey the same rules as Deflect.

Things that go through barriers:
Reinhardt's Special
Symmetra's Alt
Winston's Primary

That's all I can think of.

Don't make assumptions about people. I play Zarya often and I dunno why her beam is exempt from going through Reinhardt shields. Sorry I dunno the science and lore behind it since they never explained it.

 

[truestatic]

The Overwatch universe makes no sense. Reinhardt's shield can deflect Zarya's beam, but not Symmetra's seconday fire. Genji can deflect the latter but not the former.

Genji can deflect basically anything with a projectile. He can't deflect any beams, including Zarya's, Mei's, or Symmetra's. Symmetra's orb is a projectile and Reinhardt's firestrike are projectiles with the special rule that they can pass through barriers. It's not that random.

 

[aeolist]

Most people are having this problem though, so...

lol no

people are either exaggerating, don't understand why they're really losing, or are bad and think they should be put with better teams anyway

i can't remember a single game from the last month where my team wasn't at least trying to play the objective, even if we got utterly stomped

 

[Dead Prince]

Do you guys have some tips for Mei? I get destroyed by good Meis a lot so I'd love to play her and try for myself, but I dunno what the right playstyle for her is.
Do I stay with the team or do I flank?



Give this to me now. Give. This. To. Me. Now.

just hit her with a rocket

 

[racketpunch]

For anyone testing competitive on PTR...is there hero stacking?

 

[toastyToast]

Can't hold all these Caveman Spongebob memes.

I enjoy this meme too much, lol. It'll never get annoying to me.

i feel this one after having a few koth games where I go long stretches without dying as Zarya on the point but then it turns out that no one else is there and I'm so wrapped in shielding and fucking dudes up I don't realise I'm all alone

 

[R0ckman]

OK so do you lock them into those heroes then? Seems kind of strict for quick play. How do I get my other heroes MMR rankings? What if I match making put me into a high MMR match as one hero but the other team is countering hard. Is it OK to switch?

I'm not saying give each character an MMR, I'm saying that all these things probably need to be factored into a bigger calculation to determine how well you play in general. Looking at wins and losses alone isn't good enough obviously. Some people reccomend players get familiar with ALL characters.

 

[Haly]

How do people deal with Reinhardt cheese when only 3 characters can ignore his shield?

Well, you can just shoot it down. With your entire team concentrating it takes about 5 seconds to bring it down. You can also flank him with Reaper/McCree/Tracer. Bastion is very good for ripping through shields. Junkrat can throw the remote mine behind the shield actually.

If you're a Reinhardt as well you can melee attack through it, and also pin him with Charge. Rein is actually a fairly good Rein counter. The primary advantage of the shield is that it lets Rein's team stay in an "open area", but if you're Rein vs Rein, you can do the same thing so it comes down to which team takes down the Reinshield first.

Don't make assumptions about people. I play Zarya often and I dunno why her beam is exempt from going through Reinhardt shields. Sorry I dunno the science and lore behind it since they never explained it.

I meant it was just a rumor that started out a few weeks after launch and it just took hold, here and elsewhere. I'm not blaming you for it.

 

[Dead Prince]

Leaving a game early or stepping away from your computer will make you ineligible to join a game until the previous game has ended, and continued infractions could result in restrictions or removal from Competitive Play.

yo. the last comment though.

 

[LiK]

Reinhardt shields go down quick with team focus fire especially from Bastion in turret mode.

Well, you can just shoot it down. With your entire team concentrating it takes about 5 seconds to bring it down. You can also flank him with Reaper/McCree/Tracer. Bastion is very good for ripping through shields. Junkrat can throw the remote mine behind the shield actually.

If you're a Reinhardt as well you can melee attack through it, and also pin him with Charge. Rein is actually a fairly good Rein counter. The primary advantage of the shield is that it lets Rein's team stay in an "open area", but if you're Rein vs Rein, you can do the same thing so it comes down to which team takes down the Reinshield first.


I meant it was just a rumor that started out a few weeks after launch and it just took hold, here and elsewhere. I'm not blaming you for it.

Ok cool cool